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Old 11-10-2021, 08:17 AM   #1
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Is your electric car as eco-friendly as you thought?



FILE PHOTO: An electricity charging indicator is seen on the dashboard of a Plug-in hybrid electric car outside a house in Manchester, Britain, October 19, 2021. REUTERS/Phil Noble

November 10, 2021
By Victoria Waldersee and Ally Levine
BERLIN (Reuters) – Electric vehicles (EVs) are a powerful weapon in the world’s battle to beat global warming, yet their impact varies hugely from nation-to-nation and in some places they pollute more than gasoline models, data analysis shows.
In Europe, where sales are rising the fastest in the world, EVs in Poland and Kosovo actually generate more carbon emissions because grids are so coal-reliant, according to the data compiled by research consultancy Radiant Energy Group (REG).
Elsewhere around Europe, however, the picture is better, though the relative carbon savings depend on what supplies grids and the time of day vehicles are charged.
Best performers are nuclear and hydroelectric-powered Switzerland at 100% carbon savings vis-a-vis gasoline vehicles, Norway 98%, France 96%, Sweden 95% and Austria 93%, according to the study shared with Reuters.
Laggards are Cyprus at 4%, Serbia 15%, Estonia 35% and the Netherlands 37%. An EV driver in Europe’s biggest car manufacturer Germany, which relies on a mix of renewables and coal, makes a 55% greenhouse gas saving, the data also showed. Graphic on CO2 emissions avoided by choosing an electric vehicle, https://graphics.reuters.com/CLIMATE...-REDUCTION.jpg
In countries like Germany or Spain with big investment in solar and wind, lack of renewable energy storage means the amount of carbon saved by driving an EV depends heavily on the time of day you recharge.
Charging in the afternoon – when sun and wind are more prevalent – saves 16-18% more carbon than at night when grids are more likely to be fuelled by gas or coal.
The analysis, based on public data from Europe’s transmission system operator transparency platform ENTSO-E and the European Environment Agency (EEA), came ahead of Wednesday’s discussions on transport at the COP26 summit https://www.reuters.com/business/cop.
It showed how the auto industry’s ability to reduce emissions depends on finding better ways to decarbonise electricity grids and store renewable energy – challenges many European countries have not yet overcome.
Lithium-ion batteries are only able to store energy at full capacity for up to around four hours, meaning even countries sourcing significant amounts of solar and wind power during the day struggle to keep it on tap for nighttime charging. Graphic on impact of time of day for charging an electric vehicle, https://graphics.reuters.com/CLIMATE...C-CHARGING.jpg
FOOTPRINT DISPARITIES
Until consistent, low-carbon energy is available across the region, EV drivers keen to reduce their footprint and engineers designing charging infrastructure need to take these disparities into account, the German- and U.S.-based REG researchers said.
“Electricity has the capability of decarbonising transportation in a way that internal-combustion engines never will,” said researcher Sid Bagga.
“But the carbon impact of electrification varies dramatically depending on a country’s energy mix … Countries must adopt credible and achievable electricity decarbonisation strategies if the EV transition is to be a success.”
The gulf in emissions between electric and gasoline-powered vehicles has fallen in recent years as automakers cognisant that they would need to meet EU carbon reduction targets while still selling majority internal combustion engine cars made their engines more fuel-efficient.
As a result, the carbon intensity of newly-registered gasoline-powered cars in Europe fell an average of 25% between 2006 and 2016, according to EEA data.
EV sales in Europe are propelled by government subsidies and regulations against new internal combustion engine (ICE) cars from 2035. One in five vehicles sold in Europe last quarter were electrified, and consultancy Ernst & Young expects sales of zero-emission models to outpace ICEs in absolute terms by 2028.
Automakers including General Motors, Stellantis, and Volkswagen have set targets to sell mostly or exclusively electric vehicles in Europe in coming years, with GM committed to an electric European lineup by 2022 and Volkswagen aiming for 70% all-electric sales by 2030.
REG’s study was based on data from Jan. 1 to Oct. 15, 2021. It compared emissions from charging an electric vehicle matching a Tesla Model 3 efficiency to drive 100 km with emissions generated by fuelling the average gasoline-powered vehicle the same distance.
Countries where charging an electric vehicle is over 85% cleaner than driving a gasoline-powered car tend to be those with a consistent low-carbon energy supply source, namely hydroelectric or nuclear.
Even then, there are no hard-and-fast rules on which energy source at what time leads to lowest carbon supply across the EU: for example, in Sweden wind blows more at night.
Charging an EV in Ireland, which sources 46% of its energy from renewables, saves roughly the same proportion of carbon as in Moldova, which sources 94% of energy from gas, the study found, because Ireland’s backup fossil fuels are more carbon-intensive.
“Ireland produces a higher amount of zero-carbon electricity than Moldova – but it also gets about 13% of its electricity from oil (1.8x dirtier than gas), 9% from coal (2.3x dirtier than gas), and 3% from peat (2.6x dirtier than gas),” Bagga said.

(Reporting by Victoria Waldersee and Ally Levine; Editing by Andrew Cawthorne)


Comment - not counting teh costs of making teh battereies, mining the elements, etc
Thee are valid questions as to the religion of AOC et all that electric is better and less polluting.



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Old 11-10-2021, 06:27 PM   #2
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Course you do.
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Old 11-10-2021, 07:35 PM   #3
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A shame - that which is not of teh cemocraticommunist narrative /agenda/ideology ( ie Joy reid) - is automatically rejected without any thought

By democraticommunist proletariat.
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europe seems to be going all in for EVs. i guess, they're ok for waiting 30 minutes to recharge the car batteries..
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My car is a non-plugin hybrid. It's hella ecofriendly fgt.
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Old 11-11-2021, 06:52 AM   #6
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hybrid technology - further devloped - may be a practical partial answer to transporation needs.

at present - i think Ev's make ok town cars - but are not practical for long trips - or as large truck transportation.

The long term ecological costs of mining for rare earth elements - and an undeveloped re-cycling system for car batteries - remain undetermined - but are likely much larger than the democrticommuist ecologic terrorists admit.



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Rare earth elements 90% come for strip mines in China , NO EPA overseeing , salve labor ( but that's okay its china) Recycling of batteries harder more dangerous ( rare metals ) Oh and a lot more dangerous to make . Lastly fire hazard ( see recalls ) and Don't park in garage Hmm ( newer car battery now AGM easy to recycle Hmm but no one talks about the gas mileage recycling improvements )
Agenda 21( new order ) pushing the fake environmental panic. ( look up agenda 21 UN web you can even order the 300 ish page report that details the plan)
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When did you get your copy, Rex?
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A fav topic of mine.

For reality, calculate a pennies per mile cost over life cycle of vehicle that includes purchase price (net of tax credit).
But remember. Life cycle is the battery package life.
Yes you can add another battery package to add another handful of yrs. Just add that cost in also.

The numbers will surprise you when compared to a gas powered sub compact.
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My electric car is as eco-friendly as I thought
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I didn't catch it . . .so is an EV more or less eco-friendly than a gas car?

I have a 20 year old Chevy pickup. . . ."Like a rock . . ." Is the Tesla pick up more recyclable than the Chevy?

Will it run 250,000 miles over 20 years?

In 2041 will I be able to get parts for it? What about software?
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ICU,
Exactly.
My last two vehicles over 200 thou each.
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My electric car is as eco-friendly as I thought

mm - don't you mean what the LSM narrative of teh democraticommunist party told you to 'think'.

indoctrinated fools - follow AOC as lemmings right over teh cliff to oblivion.
Please provide some referenced articles validating your POV - that are scientifically verifiable ./

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How much will your EV car be worth 5 years after it comes off the dealer lot ?
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mm - don't you mean what the LSM narrative of teh democraticommunist party told you to 'think'.

indoctrinated fools - follow AOC as lemmings right over teh cliff to oblivion.
Please provide some referenced articles validating your POV - that are scientifically verifiable ./

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