1.6 billion rounds of ammunition...

[JD Barleycorn]

This came up a couple of months ago but then DHS said it was for training purposes even though hollow points cost more than regular ammunition. Now under Congressional inquiry the DHS is refusing to say anything. So what has the DHS accomplished? They had created an artificial shortage of ammunition and increased prices. There are now shortages which amounts to weapons ban. Even materials for reloading are being bought up and that is something the government does not do. 50 years ago we used different ammunition than we do today and 50 years from now we will use different ammunition that DHS is buying. So why the purchase of all that ammunition and 2,700 armored MRAPs?

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/was...ition-purchase

[Guest032516]

Wasn't the 1.6 Billion allegation retracted because somebody did an order of magnitude miscalculation?

[CJ7]

its multiple orders over a period of several years locked in at a set price .. that protects taxpayer $ in the event of uncalculated price increases ... much like the same business plan Herb implemented when he bought bulk fuel for SW Airlines.

good business even if it is government spending.

[JD Barleycorn]

The DHS later admitted that there was no miscalculation.

Let me repeat; fifty years ago we used different ammunition (7.62 and the 30-06). We have been using the 5.56 for 35 years and we will be using caseless ammo in about a decade. This is only the DHS buying ammunition and not the Defense Department or normal law enforcement.

Is it smart to buy something that you will not be using in 20 years? Why is normal law enforcement having a shortage? You would think that the DHS would be sharing the ammo. http://www.newscentralga.com/news/lo...186221032.html

[CJ7]

the orders cover the next 5 years and the vast majority of the ammo goes to LE, most of it will be used on practice ranges all over the country

I posted this last week ... from IBD.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...-purchases.htm

[IIFFOFRDB]

Originally Posted by CJ7

the orders cover the next 5 years and the vast majority of the ammo goes to LE, most of it will be used on practice ranges all over the country

I posted this last week ... from IBD.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...-purchases.htm

You are full of shit...BIG TIME...

[IIFFOFRDB]

Hollow points...Buckwheat a punk like you.

[JD Barleycorn]

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...-purchases.htm

http://www.infowars.com/government-c...buys-implodes/

CJ, why are local law enforcement agencies experiencing shortages when all this ammo is for them? Can you answer that?

[timpage]

We won't be using caseless ammunition ever and you're an uninformed firearms idiot if you think so. Caseless ammunition has been under evaluation for over a decade and it doesn't work. Not going to happen.

We'll be using 5.56 for the foreseeable future. It's the NATO round, it works and it's what we'll be using. By the way, we've been using 5.56 since 1967.

So, yes...it is smart to buy 5.56.

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

The DHS later admitted that there was no miscalculation.

Let me repeat; fifty years ago we used different ammunition (7.62 and the 30-06). We have been using the 5.56 for 35 years and we will be using caseless ammo in about a decade. This is only the DHS buying ammunition and not the Defense Department or normal law enforcement.

Is it smart to buy something that you will not be using in 20 years? Why is normal law enforcement having a shortage? You would think that the DHS would be sharing the ammo. http://www.newscentralga.com/news/lo...186221032.html

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editor...-purchases.htm

http://www.infowars.com/government-c...buys-implodes/

CJ, why are local law enforcement agencies experiencing shortages when all this ammo is for them? Can you answer that?

if there really IS a shortage it seems reasonable to secure "all this ammo" wouldnt you agree?

[CJ7]

A spike in ammunition purchases by civilians has left several police departments around the country scrambling to outfit their officers with ammunition.
Sgt. Byron Roberson of the Prairie Village (Kan.) Police Department told KSHB his agency has been added to a waiting list for additional rifle ammunition and doesn't expect to receive it until May.
The agency has enough reserves and will rely on other agencies if that runs out.
Several Georgia law enforcement agencies told WSB-TV they have ammo on back order with local firearms dealers.
The Douglas County (Ga.) Sheriff's Office pushed back several training exercises while scrambling to restock.
"It could be six months. It could be eight months," Douglas County Chief Deputy Stan Copeland told the media outlet.
Other agencies such as the Austin Police Department, San Antonio Police Department, and Reno Police Department told media outlets they have enough reserves to equip officers.

[CuteOldGuy]

[JD Barleycorn]

You confuse standard issue with availability. In 1963 the standard weapon was NOT the M-16, it was the M-14, the M-1, or the M-1 Carbine in .308, 30-06, and .30 carbine . That was the standard. In 1913 it was the 30-06. In 1883 it was the 45-70 carbine. In 1833 it could be the .58 muzzle loader or a .36 long rifle. In 1783 it was the .75 caliber Brown Bess musket. With some flirtations the life of a US round is about 50 years. After 1963 the M-14 was replaced by the M-16 so the 5.56 is reaching the end of it's life cycle. Like the .308 and 30-06 it will continue for many years but don't be surprised to find something different under the Christmas tree in a decade.

Besides, if you are an infantryman about to be dropped into a hot zone do you want to read on the case of ammo "Made in 2013" when you just celebrated 2033?

Still, why is the DHS stonewalling on this issue. Why are they denying the purchase, then acknowledging the purchase before they deny the purchase again?

This is the Soviet system again. When McDonalds arrived in Moscow the general manager (an American) was asked how much ground beef he needed in a month. He told the representative of the Politiboro about 30,000 lbs. The next day trucks delivered 30,000 lbs of hamburger. You buy bullets over the long term not all at once. Think about the additional costs for munitions makers to put on extra shifts, add extra equipment, and more building when it will by out of use in five years. Common sense (we're talking about government here) says that you sign a 20 year contract and take shipments every quarter for 20 years.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by timpage

We won't be using caseless ammunition ever and you're an uninformed firearms idiot if you think so. Caseless ammunition has been under evaluation for over a decade and it doesn't work. Not going to happen.

We'll be using 5.56 for the foreseeable future. It's the NATO round, it works and it's what we'll be using. By the way, we've been using 5.56 since 1967.

So, yes...it is smart to buy 5.56.

Caseless ammunition is currently impractical for weapons carried by soldiers, etc., but caseless ammuntion for vehicle or platform mounted weapons -- including .223 -- is near at hand.

[IIFFOFRDB]

Originally Posted by CJ7

A spike in ammunition purchases by civilians has left several police departments around the country scrambling to outfit their officers with ammunition.
Sgt. Byron Roberson of the Prairie Village (Kan.) Police Department told KSHB his agency has been added to a waiting list for additional rifle ammunition and doesn't expect to receive it until May.
The agency has enough reserves and will rely on other agencies if that runs out.
Several Georgia law enforcement agencies told WSB-TV they have ammo on back order with local firearms dealers.
The Douglas County (Ga.) Sheriff's Office pushed back several training exercises while scrambling to restock.
"It could be six months. It could be eight months," Douglas County Chief Deputy Stan Copeland told the media outlet.
Other agencies such as the Austin Police Department, San Antonio Police Department, and Reno Police Department told media outlets they have enough reserves to equip officers.

here is your link, littlecbj7 http://www.policemag.com/channel/wea...shortages.aspx