Are all the providers really leaving or is the hobby naturally cleansing itself?

[sixxbach]

It was brought up in a recent post that it seems that many providers are leaving the hobby. Thobby. There have been 3 recent retirements by well known providers who have been around at least 3 to 4 years.

I feel that providers are not being "run off" but simply the hobby is cleansing itself out. The provider shelf life is much shorter than a hobbyist. No one can argue that providing takes a physical and emotional toll that most cannot endure for too long. For every Kat there is a college cutie (who lasted maybe 6 months). Hobbyists can hobby much longer because the emotional effects are pale compared to providers.

Providers also must compete with the never ending slew of new providers ready to make their mark and cash taking advantage of being the new girl. Established providers must count on cultivating business relationships with their regulars and make sure their A game is on to attract new clients as well.

I don't feel the girls are leaving in droves. I feel the hobby pool is mearly going through its natural cycle of cleansing itself. There are new providers who have joined in the last few weeks who are making their marks, becoming someone's ATF, etc.

I will personally miss Natalie Reign. I am also happy for her because she seems to be in a great place in her life. Besides, providing is meant to be a means to an end, not the end....

Thoughts?

Sixx

[rockerrick]

Originally Posted by sixxbach

I will personally miss Natalie Reign. I am also happy for her because she seems to be in a great place in her life.

DITTO!!!!!

[budman33]

Originally Posted by sixxbach

No one can argue that providing takes a physical and emotional toll that most cannot endure for too long.

What is the physical toll? rugburns, sore jaws?

cleansing was an interesting choice of words. Did you intend it as making something especially clean, or to Rid (a person, place, or thing) of something seen as unpleasant, unwanted, or defiling.

I need some popcorn.

[incognito isis]

The bottom line is, this isn't a bizness you can stay in forever. Use it as a stepping stone to get to something better. I was stagnent for so long. Finally I've decided to have a new goal in my life. I feel better now about being in this biz, knowing I'm doing SOMETHING to get out. It was quite depressing knowing this was all there was. I thought: is this it? When will this end? Will anything better come along? The truth is it won't, unless YOU do something. So to the retired women, they have moved onto a new chapter in their lives. Wasn't that the goal all along? You can't be in this biz forever. KInd of like a car can't go on forever. Eventually the motor will burn out from so much mileage. Everyone reaches their limit.

[sixxbach]

One of the providers that retired mentioned physical. I am no doctor but I would think that there is some merit to that. I don't think the human body is meant to see so many partners of all shapes and sizes. I think you would agree that a provider has many more sexual encounters than a civilian. Maybe that increases also with the gals who specialize in greek. I even had a BBBJ gal tell me once she sometimes hurts and felt the body was not meant to take that much activity.

I used cleansing simply as a better word than rid. It does not mean as anyone that is not wanted. Like I said, on a personal level I am going to miss Natalie. Like some, I won't be missing her because I can't have sex with her but because she is a very nice person and someone I won't forget......

Sixx.

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Originally Posted by budman33

What is the physical toll? rugburns, sore jaws?

cleansing was an interesting choice of words. Did you intend it as making something especially clean, or to Rid (a person, place, or thing) of something seen as unpleasant, unwanted, or defiling.

I need some popcorn.

[Bobave]

Good thread generally.

[RALPHEY BOY]

it all comes and goes, everything ebs and flows., nothing stays the same, that is what makes it all some-what fun,

the chase, the thrill of finding a new gal that floats your boat.

[Whispers]

Originally Posted by sixxbach

I will personally miss Natalie Reign. I am also happy for her because she seems to be in a great place in her life.

Originally Posted by sixxbach

Like I said, on a personal level I am going to miss Natalie. Like some, I won't be missing her because I can't have sex with her but because she is a very nice person and someone I won't forget......

I'm not going to miss Natalie because we remain friends outside of this little world of ours and share mutual friends who have successfully transitioned to a different lifestyle like us.

I do wish her the best...... But not all that leave us leave in the best state of mind or with the same physical well being as when they came in.

Natalie did not leave because she wanted to. Natalie left because she could no longer take the abuse the lifestyle entails.

Natalie left because she could no longer take the negative side of this hobby and the Emotional and Physical demands it entailed that were related to that negativity. After Guesting her account Natalie explained in no minced words exactly why she left. I wish it had been here on this board...... A lot could learn from her words... Especially new girls...... Feel free to PM me for the link to it if you are interested.... It is against Board Policy for me to publicly link to it.

Some people tend to think I am cruel in my assessment of Providers as well as the way I and others like me objectify them. In reading Natalie's farewell to her haters I found a lot of what she said to describe me. Which admittedly was confusing. I am what she describes yet I am her friend? How is that?

I guess though that Natalie actually KNOWING me outside of this board, having shared a mutual friend for many years, Natalie understands what and why I say the things I do and against all logic and reason, considers me someone she wants to stay friends with.

I stay grounded by refusing to glamorize this lifestyle....

In another thread I posted

Originally Posted by Whispers

Very few women find Prostitution to be a life of "Financial Freedom"... Most become chained to a lifestyle that does lasting emotional and physical damage to them as it sucks them in and makes it very difficult to ever escape.

A few of the ladies "get it".... Ones that can be honest with themselves understand it..... A few refuse to see it.... Denial in my opinion.....

Natalie is NOT in a better place of mind or physically better off today than she was a week before she took her leave.

Natalie is in pain... Emotionally and physically.... she hurts...... The shame of it all last night was that she was also alone at the time.... No woman should have been alone as she was.... Where are/were her friends? How does one so loved leave us and suffer alone?

Why is a woman so special to so many alone and awake at 4 in the morning talking to the likes of me for 5 hours straight?

Maybe it has something to do with realism.....

You can read it in her words..... You don't have to believe what I write..... There is much Anger and Hostility and the words sting..... If you have actual emotion in you.... .I do... Most don't think so..... But I deal with my demons in a way that allows me to enjoy what I do.....

Girls come and they go....

Some can handle the mental and physical tolls longer than others....

Some tend to enjoy it.....

Some cry before and afterwards.... Natalie is still crying..... Don't fool yourselves.....

Many of these ladies never see us unless they are drunk or mood enhanced and that takes a serious toll on their physical and mental well being as well.

Some fall in love and get their hearts broke..... As dysfunctional a life a provider must lead, why should any of them care for the likes of us? You love sick bastards fucking women up to half your age dare to believe for a minute you matter?...... Not too many think of that side of the equation..... Many guys are emotionally immature and socially inept..... If it were not for hookers and strippers they would have no women in their lives at all.

For whatever reason......

There is a never ending supply of women willing to take our money..... Many of them have more hobby related sexual encounters in a month than we have in a year and I would bet that many ladies here have had more encounters in a year than most guys in a lifetime.

That does take a toll.....

But there is not much we can do for them or they can do for us other than to share a moment. To trade our financial support for their physical/emotional support.

That is what this is actually about.....

Fool yourselves all you want.... Believe in love and romance...... I'll watch out for the hatred and pain...........

I can't speak for what is right for the ladies to do..... I don't believe there is ANY correlation to this site or the postings on it as to the amount of turn over of the ladies...... Perhaps the site hastens it......

Turnover is inevitable.....

The sooner a lady goes... The sooner she can heal and get on with her life and find true love and happiness......

There will always be some new young lady to fuck.....

But.... What does that say about us?

Should we REALLY celebrate that we are still here? That we outlast them?

I've always thought I knew but I have to question that in light of recent changes in my life as well as the life of friends. One of them being Natalie....

Any hooker on this board could have wrote the words that Natalie wrote and I would have spun them and threw them back in her face...... But I've known Natalie a while and never been a client.... We've talked extensively about a variety of things and found the strangest of connections leading to a friendship..... Like a few of the guys here Natalie and I have shared the same woman and that girl was quite special.... What a strange bond to build a friendship on.....

I wish her the best and pray for her to physically and emotionally recover and find happiness to build her new life with.

In the meantime...... I'm rethinking some things......

But leaning towards the idea that I need to be more open and brutally honest..... more in the faces of the lovers and whiners..... more critical of the lady that dares to expose her emotions and soul to this board.....

I think I'll be doing you a favor in the long run if I let you see the dark side sooner rather than later....... and it helps you decide to move on.....

For those that are in the know....... Give some thought to the. FACT that whenever someone asks "Whatever happened to"...... someone seems to pipe up and remind us... "Shes still around"... Just UTR......

This board serves a purpose and the ladies that use it to advertise and stay out of everything else..... well... They seem to stay around a hell of a lot longer now don't they?.....

The nature of the board..... the Review Process..... The guys that over glamorize... the flirts and emotional attachments many of you make...... Thats what hurts them.....

The truly smart ones never read their reviews and stay out of everything...... They know it exists but also know they want no part of it.....

We can't Hobby safely or inexpensively without the information....... The Ladies can't last KNOWING it as well as interacting with us..... I believe it is that "interaction" that hurts them..... Many of them are weak and need the attention that is provided to them.... The problem is that the guy providing the attention is far more dysfunctional.....

Amber was right so many years ago when she argued that Ladies should not be let on the boards to do anything other than post ads....

I just don't believe very many of them lack the emotional and physical strength to endure it....

Just my opinion.....

[guest031012]

It's just the graduating class of 2011

[rekcaSxT]

I haven't been around much the last couple months so I don't know who all has left. (except Ms Reign)

In the few years I have been in this hobby I have seen a lot of bullshit. I have seen several women on this and similar boards who need to move on. Their negativity and influence over the new talent have created an environment where supply side sets rules for the demand side.

I would love to see a cleaning out and revitalization of our neck of the woods.

[rekcaSxT]

Let me put it this way, from my favorite movie Pulp Fiction:

Marcellus Wallace: I think you're gonna find, when all this shit is over, I think you're gonna find yourself one smiling motherfucker. The thing is, Butch, right now you got ability. But painful as it may be, ability don't last. And your days are just about over. Now that's a hard motherfuckin' fact of life, but that's a fact of life your ass is gonna have to get realistic about. See, this business is filled to the brim with unrealistic motherfuckers. Motherfuckers who thought their ass would age like wine. If you mean it turns to vinegar, it does. If you mean it gets better with age, it don't. Besides, Butch, how many fights do you think you got in you anyhow? Two? Boxers don't have an Old Timers Place. You came close but you never made it. And if you were gonna make it, you would have made it before now. (holds out the envelope of cash to Butch, but just out of his reach)

Marcellus: Night of the fight, you might feel a slight sting. That's pride fuckin' with you. Fuck pride! Pride only hurts, it never helps. You fight through that shit. 'Cause a year from now, when you kicking it in the Caribbean, you gonna say to yourself, "Marcellus Wallace was right."
Butch: I got no problem with that, Mr. Wallace.
Marcellus: In the 5th, your ass goes down. (Butch nods silently) Say it.
Butch: In the 5th, my ass goes down.

Just replace "boxer" with "provider" or "hooker" or "escort" whatever title helps you sleep at night. The message is basically the same. And "ability" can be replaced with "looks" "tits that don't hang to the floor" etc....

[incognito isis]

Originally Posted by sixxbach

One of the providers that retired mentioned physical. I am no doctor but I would think that there is some merit to that. I don't think the human body is meant to see so many partners of all shapes and sizes. I think you would agree that a provider has many more sexual encounters than a civilian. Maybe that increases also with the gals who specialize in greek. I even had a BBBJ gal tell me once she sometimes hurts and felt the body was not meant to take that much activity.

I used cleansing simply as a better word than rid. It does not mean as anyone that is not wanted. Like I said, on a personal level I am going to miss Natalie. Like some, I won't be missing her because I can't have sex with her but because she is a very nice person and someone I won't forget......

Sixx.

re

If I work alot, I feel drained and broken. I feel sick if I push myself and get greedy, most likely from the stress emotionally.

[JohnBrown7]

Originally Posted by sixxbach

I don't feel the girls are leaving in droves. I feel the hobby pool is mearly going through its natural cycle of cleansing itself.

Thoughts?

Sixx

Agree.

I believe some women come in with a plan. I believe some women come in and develop a plan after they see the things the business entails.

When the time is right, and they have the means to execute, they do.

I know that's how a couple of my friends left.

[budman33]

"Many guys are emotionally immature and socially inept..... If it were not for hookers and strippers they would have no women in their lives at all."

+1

[TxTraveller]

Interesting thread.... Those providers that sometimes I do wonder about (ok, worry about) are those who are really alone and who have few if any in their lives to talk to .... late at night. It does trouble me to hear that anyone has to or does go to bed alone, without a significant other.... Now... That does NOT make me a White Knight (did that in civilian life a couple times and I know how that does NOT work out). However, I worry about it, and hate hearing about it at times.