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Old 12-30-2011, 01:40 PM   #1
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Default What's Happening in Virginia, the new fascism



On Wednesday, December 28, 2011, the GOP of Virginia sought and obtained the right from the Virginia State Board of Elections to require voters to sign a loyalty oath in order to participate in the state’s presidential primary on March 6. Basically, Virginia voters–who have open primaries–meaning you do not have to be of a particular party to vote in the primary–will be required to sign a loyalty oath if they wish to cast a ballot.
Loyalty Oaths and Virginia. There’s a history here. Yes, the GOP of the great state of Virginia is once again putting forth a call for voters that vote in the March 6th primary to sign a Loyalty Oath; but this isn’t the first time. According to the Washington Post:
This is not the first cycle in which state Republicans have sought to impose such a pledge. In 2000, the GOP made voters in its primary promise not to participate in the primaries of any other party, after state election officials rejected the party’s request to disseminate a form asking voters to pledge support for “all of the Republican Party’s nominees in the next election.”
Virginia Republicans initially planned to include a loyalty pledge in the 2008 presidential primary, but then decided to scrap the idea amid fears by some in the party that the requirement might alienate some independent voters from the GOP cause.
So what does this OATH look like?
“I, the undersigned, pledge that I intend to support the nominee of the Republican Party for president.”
[T]he elections board approved a notice to inform absentee voters of the pledge, a sign to hang at polling places and the pledge form itself according to the Richmond-Times Dispatch.
Signs for polling places and the pledge form will advise voters that “Section 24.2-545 of the Code of Virginia allows the political party holding a primary to determine requirements for voting in the primary, including ‘the signing of a pledge by the voter of his intention to support the party’s candidate when offering to vote in the primary.’”
The Daily Kos mockingly addressed the simple-minded oath stating:
This appears to be an attempt to skirt the state’s open primary law, supported by the State Board of Elections itself, in order to filter out non-party-members from causing crazy mischief by … well, by what? There’s only two candidates on the ballot, Mitt Romney and Ron Paul. Are they worried independents will tip things towards Ron Paul?
But that’s not what their loyalty oath is focused on. It requires you pledge that you “intend to support the nominee of the Republican Party for president.” What if you only find one of the candidates acceptable, and but not the other?
Are you prevented from voting, then, because you are not willing to pledge fealty to a generic, unknown future candidate? Because that’s exactly what it says.
In reality, the loyalty oath is garbage. Since it is barring thoughtcrime, there is no way to enforce it, and you are perfectly free to walk into the polls, lie your ass off, and vote for whomever you damn well want. If the loyalty oath has any effect at all, it will be on people who are too honest or principled to lie on a pointless, makework form, and thus refuse. Those honest and principled voters will then be prevented from voting for Republicans.
And how will this saga about Loyalty and Oaths and signing and voting end for the voters of Virginia? Well according to Kyle Kondik, a political analyst for the University of Virginia’s Center for Politics reported to ABC News:
“I think there was a desire to try and keep the Republican party for Republicans,” explains Kyle Kondik, a political analyst for the University of Virginia’s Center for Politics. “It’s the one barrier to entry that the Republican party can put up to try and keep voting limited to people in the club.”
Kondik points out that the oath, however, is not enforceable from a legal standpoint, since voters are guaranteed the right to a private ballot.
“It’s an honor system,” says Kondik. “It doesn’t have any legally binding authority. People can go to the primary, sign the pledge and then vote for their candidate and then vote for Obama or a third-party candidate in the fall.”
Personally, I am having a big problem wrapping my head around the words “Loyalty Oath,” “Republican Party” and “honor system.” I am more inclined to join with the Daily Kos and their assessment that those that appear will sign and couldn’t care less if they are lying their asses off. This whole Virginia Caper as I am going to refer to the events starting with all but Romney and Paul being on the ticket to this latest Loyalty Oath feels more like Virginia’s version of Duck Soup with the Marx Brothers with Virginia playing the part of the state of Freedonia. Classic!!
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Old 12-30-2011, 01:49 PM   #2
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The stupid thing is, the Virginia primary will be irrelevant since the nominee will be decided long before then. Not sure this is fascist, but it certainly qualifies as stupid.
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Old 12-30-2011, 02:17 PM   #3
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Just lie. The "oath" has no lawfull validity, what are they going to do if you sign it, and then say, (after you vote), "hey dumbass, I'm a Democrat".

I agree, though. Our political proccess does not need this type of crap.
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Old 12-30-2011, 02:37 PM   #4
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This is ridiculous why would you need to make an oath of loyalty for a govt party if you are already there to cast a vote to support them. It redundant.
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Old 12-30-2011, 05:23 PM   #5
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Haven't you heard, COG, Socialism is anything that you don't like that the Democrats do. Fascism is anything you don't like that the government does. Nobody gives a shit about the real definitions anymore.

Most of these Republican assholes who toss around the word Socialism wouldn't know common ownership of the means of production and distribution if it bit them in the ass.
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Old 12-30-2011, 05:35 PM   #6
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Why don't you get a more recent propaganda poster. Why is there a "W" on the collar. This is just so last decade.
If you want to talk about loyalty oaths then you need to know what the democratic party did after the Civil War to discourge voting by freedmen. Loyalty oaths were just the start.
You see it's like this. There is no democratic primary this cycle so dems don't have anyone to vote for. They do have people to vote against. The GOP is rightfully concerned that the dems will cross over to change the outcome. With good reason, they did it in New Hampshire in 2008. If you do some research in the years when the GOP had no primary you will see some of the same concerns but no evidence that it ever happened except as a joke by Rush Limbaugh (Operation Chaos) AFTER the nomination was decided.
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