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02-14-2013, 12:40 AM
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First, the illiteracy level is closer to 50% than it is to 25%. The concept of "reading at grade level" was invented to hide the fact that "see-speak" didn't actually teach kids to read. Children who learned to read using phonics can read ANY word, from CAT to TRINITROTOLUENE. (They may have a bit of trouble with the pronunciation, but they can read the word, and they know how to look it up in a dictionary.)
Second, it was not that many years ago that we had >90% literacy, FOR REAL, in the United States.
When Alexis de Tocqueville came over, to see this new nation, he encountered something that shocked him right to the core of his being. EVERY person he met, LITERALLY *EVERY* man Jack, woman, and child, could read. And did, routinely. 100%. At that time, that level of literacy was unheard of, back in the "civilized world" of France and Europe. It was routine here.
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02-14-2013, 01:01 AM
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Bakersfield is the least literate city in the US? Hahaha, that I can believe.
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02-14-2013, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Sidewinder
First, the illiteracy level is closer to 50% than it is to 25%. The concept of "reading at grade level" was invented to hide the fact that "see-speak" didn't actually teach kids to read. Children who learned to read using phonics can read ANY word, from CAT to TRINITROTOLUENE. (They may have a bit of trouble with the pronunciation, but they can read the word, and they know how to look it up in a dictionary.)
Second, it was not that many years ago that we had >90% literacy, FOR REAL, in the United States.
When Alexis de Tocqueville came over, to see this new nation, he encountered something that shocked him right to the core of his being. EVERY person he met, LITERALLY *EVERY* man Jack, woman, and child, could read. And did, routinely. 100%. At that time, that level of literacy was unheard of, back in the "civilized world" of France and Europe. It was routine here.
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02-14-2013, 11:25 AM
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I wonder what the lack of common sense percentage would be?
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02-14-2013, 11:26 AM
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Reading at a 4th grade level doesn't mean you're illiterate. Illiterate means not being able to read and write. Posting that 23% of the US population is illiterate is an outright fabrication.
Regarding the "good old days" when Tocquevelle was wandering the continent, I would suspect that today's 4th grade reading level would have been viewed as literate.
So, the sky is not falling, literacy levels have generally increased around the world and in the US and this post is bullshit. Should we strive to do better? Absolutely. Is 23% of the US illiterate? Nonsense.
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02-14-2013, 12:07 PM
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I wonder what the lack of common sense percentage would be?
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50.4% per the last election...
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02-14-2013, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by timpage
Reading at a 4th grade level doesn't mean you're illiterate. Illiterate means not being able to read and write. Posting that 23% of the US population is illiterate is an outright fabrication.
Regarding the "good old days" when Tocquevelle was wandering the continent, I would suspect that today's 4th grade reading level would have been viewed as literate.
So, the sky is not falling, literacy levels have generally increased around the world and in the US and this post is bullshit. Should we strive to do better? Absolutely. Is 23% of the US illiterate? Nonsense.
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What if O'Blunder said it...would you believe it then?? Of course you would. Maybe the term functionally illiterate" sounds better to you. Anything to make excuses for our failing education system. As Dr. Benjamin Carson said at last weeks' National Prayer Breakfast, "An Uneducated Populace Will Fall For Anything". And that's just the way you libtards want it.
Now stick your fingers back in your ears and repeat after me, "lalalalalalalala".
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02-14-2013, 12:13 PM
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Funny, we were just talking about 4th grade reading comprehension....and here you are....
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What if O'Blunder said it...would you believe it then?? Of course you would. Now stick your fingers back in your ears and repeat after me, "lalalalalalalala".
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02-14-2013, 12:22 PM
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Funny, we were just talking about 4th grade reading comprehension....and here you are....
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Wrong again, TP. Can you say Summa cum laude?? Look it up.
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02-14-2013, 12:24 PM
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You should request a refund on your tuition.....didn't know ITT Tech did the summa thing. But congratz.
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Wrong again, TP. Can you say Summa cum laude?? Look it up.
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02-14-2013, 12:33 PM
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You should request a refund on your tuition.....didn't know ITT Tech did the summa thing. But congratz.
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Nope. I'll just wait until O'Blunder finishes completely crashing the economy, then what's left will be forgiven, right??
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02-14-2013, 02:04 PM
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Beating your own drum again, are you LapDog?
I don't think anybody here would guess you went to school, let alone learned how to spell Summa...
You are our shining star!
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02-14-2013, 02:24 PM
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Beating your own drum again, are you LapDog?
I don't think anybody here would guess you went to school, let alone learned how to spell Summa...
You are our shining star!
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Thanks, Assup, aka DSOY. It's disturbing to see you stopped beating your own COCK to take the time to post on one of my comments again. Stalk much...??
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02-14-2013, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by EXTXOILMAN
Thanks, Assup, aka DSOY. It's disturbing to see you stopped beating your own COCK to take the time to post on one of my comments again. Stalk much...??
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Nah, he just wants your salami. Lol
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