The Killing of Pat Tillman

[theaustinescorts]

When Pat Tillman and his brother Kevin showed up for Ranger training the army didn't know what they were getting.

Here was a star college and pro athlete who by all accounts had only dated one girl his entire life. Here was a guy who did little more with his spare time than read books; he graduated with a 3.8 average. His parents were northern California progressives, one an attorney the other an educator; they allowed no television in the house and only one landland phone in their living room. The idea of integrity was so ingrained into him that he and Kevin formed a pack to never discuss their reasons for volunteering.

He hated the idea of exploitation of him so much that not only did he sign instructions barring the government from conducting any funeral, but he secretly sent a copy to his wife fearing his instructions would be disregarded.

In training he proved to be a polarizing figure. Except for keeping to himself he adopted the smallest member of the group as his teammate so he could assist him along. Some of the more aggressive members resented his reluctance to engage in the "warrior" antics and attidude they encouraged.

At some point he started keeping a diary. With time he learned to express his views to only a small number of his fellow Rangers. Today they relate that he was disillusioned with Afghanistan altogether, and considered the Iraq mission as total FUBAR. He continued to write his thoughts in his diary.

Well before his commitment was over this situation was addressed, or attempted to be, by his commanders. They offered him the option of leaving with an honorable discharge. He declined. He insisted on completing his full commitment.

After Iraq he was re-deployed to Afghanistan. While leading a detachment of his platoon another detachment following behind his opened fire on him from about 400 yards. Then for little known reason the firing detachment began to close with his....finally ending up right on top of them at only 40 yards distance. Tillman stood out in front of them yelling, waving his arms, clearly identifying himself. They continued to fire on him until he was hit and mortally wounded. Aside from an Afghan soldier/companion next to him no other member of his detachment was hit by this fire. Only the Afghan and Tillman were killed, and after Tillman was hit the fire stopped.

After Tillman was dead on the ground his diary was taken and burned, as was his uniform and all other personal items, by his killers....fellow Rangers who dispised him.

Shortly thereafter army representatives visited his wife requesting that he be given an official funeral. Dismayed, she showed them the instructions he gave otherwise....a copy of which she wasn't known to have.

In my experience, which is a long time ago now, I slowly had to accept what I never wanted to - that sometimes in some situations our side kills its own. I've concluded that's what happened to Tillman.

[Budman]

and you know this how?

[theaustinescorts]

His family and friends are open about this. A place to start is the film they participated in, The Pat Tillman Story.

[Who's Your Daddy]

TAE.....arent you supposed to be peddlin' pussy?

[ad1179]

Dude you know you(Daddy) and everyone are jealous of TAE!
lol he has the balls to go out and find those hot chicks & Break em in, have them work for him and get paid

While everyone else on this board pays money.

[Reya Sunshine]

FWIW I agree with you that Pat Tillman was an honorable man that was likely killed by "friendly fire" due to his views on religion etc. He was sexy as fuck too, it's a serious shame.

[theaustinescorts]

Tillman only dated his high school girlfriend and then they were married. His morals and integrity were derived from his parents - free spirited iconoclasts with a passionate commitment to doing what is right.

Compared to him the sick little midgets who control our corrupt government are nothing more than toads, and their jealously and fear of him led to their cowardly act of murder.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by ad1179

...everyone else on this board pays (him) money.

Not if it was the greatest pussy on earth. Never have and never will see a dime of mine.

Sometimes in this world, chit happens that isn't the fault of the US or Israeli governments. In fact, some folks get to live pretty damned well despite the corruption that threatens to choke off our air, food and supply of illicit pussy...

[kingorpawn]

Originally Posted by Who's Your Daddy

TAE.....arent you supposed to be peddlin' pussy?

I was thinking the same thing...

[kingorpawn]

Originally Posted by ad1179

Dude you know you(Daddy) and everyone are jealous of TAE!
lol he has the balls to go out and find those hot chicks & Break em in, have them work for him and get paid

While everyone else on this board pays money.

Unfortunately, Mr. TAE also spends his time coming up with some govt. conspiracy.
But since I think TAE girls are over-priced, I stay away.

[kingorpawn]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Not if it was the greatest pussy on earth. Never have and never will see a dime of mine.

Sometimes in this world, chit happens that isn't the fault of the US or Israeli governments. In fact, some folks get to live pretty damned well despite the corruption that threatens to choke off our air, food and supply of illicit pussy...

[NewWave]

Originally Posted by Reya Sunshine

FWIW I agree with you that Pat Tillman was an honorable man that was likely killed by "friendly fire" due to his views on religion etc. He was sexy as fuck too, it's a serious shame.killed for his views on religion

WTF?? lol, where did you hear this shit?

also, Tillman was a cool dude but he wasn't no saint, which is ironic since theaustinescorts guy hates the sanctification of Steve Jobs. Tillman was sort of a trouble maker in high school IIRC, almost like a delinquent at times. I believe his parents divorced so that probably helped fuel his anger, and I don't blame him. So much for his parents being perfect examples for him. I have immense respect for Tillman, but he was a bit crazy.

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Not if it was the greatest pussy on earth. Never have and never will see a dime of mine.

Sometimes in this world, chit happens that isn't the fault of the US or Israeli governments. In fact, some folks get to live pretty damned well despite the corruption that threatens to choke off our air, food and supply of illicit pussy...

good point.

Originally Posted by Who's Your Daddy

TAE.....arent you supposed to be peddlin' pussy?

better point.

[conservative44]

Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

When Pat Tillman and his brother Kevin showed up for Ranger training the army didn't know what they were getting.

Here was a star college and pro athlete who by all accounts had only dated one girl his entire life. Here was a guy who did little more with his spare time than read books; he graduated with a 3.8 average. His parents were northern California progressives, one an attorney the other an educator; they allowed no television in the house and only one landland phone in their living room. The idea of integrity was so ingrained into him that he and Kevin formed a pack to never discuss their reasons for volunteering.

He hated the idea of exploitation of him so much that not only did he sign instructions barring the government from conducting any funeral, but he secretly sent a copy to his wife fearing his instructions would be disregarded.

In training he proved to be a polarizing figure. Except for keeping to himself he adopted the smallest member of the group as his teammate so he could assist him along. Some of the more aggressive members resented his reluctance to engage in the "warrior" antics and attidude they encouraged.

At some point he started keeping a diary. With time he learned to express his views to only a small number of his fellow Rangers. Today they relate that he was disillusioned with Afghanistan altogether, and considered the Iraq mission as total FUBAR. He continued to write his thoughts in his diary.

Well before his commitment was over this situation was addressed, or attempted to be, by his commanders. They offered him the option of leaving with an honorable discharge. He declined. He insisted on completing his full commitment.

After Iraq he was re-deployed to Afghanistan. While leading a detachment of his platoon another detachment following behind his opened fire on him from about 400 yards. Then for little known reason the firing detachment began to close with his....finally ending up right on top of them at only 40 yards distance. Tillman stood out in front of them yelling, waving his arms, clearly identifying himself. They continued to fire on him until he was hit and mortally wounded. Aside from an Afghan soldier/companion next to him no other member of his detachment was hit by this fire. Only the Afghan and Tillman were killed, and after Tillman was hit the fire stopped.

After Tillman was dead on the ground his diary was taken and burned, as was his uniform and all other personal items, by his killers....fellow Rangers who dispised him.

Shortly thereafter army representatives visited his wife requesting that he be given an official funeral. Dismayed, she showed them the instructions he gave otherwise....a copy of which she wasn't known to have.

In my experience, which is a long time ago now, I slowly had to accept what I never wanted to - that sometimes in some situations our side kills its own. I've concluded that's what happened to Tillman.

You're a fucking moron who has probably never served in the military, much more less an infantry unit. Its a brotherhood which you know very little about. We don't kill our own, on purpose at least. His parents and friends were not there either, so their THEORYS are only that, THEORYS. PLEASE, never repeat this again. When you do, you disgrace Pat Tillman, his fellow soldiers, and MY country.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by conservative44

You're a fucking moron who has probably never served in the military, much more less an infantry unit. Its a brotherhood which you know very little about. We don't kill our own, on purpose at least. His parents and friends were not there either, so their THEORYS are only that, THEORYS. PLEASE, never repeat this again. When you do, you disgrace Pat Tillman, his fellow soldiers, and MY country.

that's one way to frame the discussion.

[theaustinescorts]

Originally Posted by conservative44

You're a fucking moron who has probably never served in the military, much more less an infantry unit. Its a brotherhood which you know very little about. We don't kill our own, on purpose at least. His parents and friends were not there either, so their THEORYS are only that, THEORYS. PLEASE, never repeat this again. When you do, you disgrace Pat Tillman, his fellow soldiers, and MY country.

When I worked in the government service of my country I also believed that my brother colleaques would never kill one of our own.

However in a situation very similar to Tillmans I learned that one of us had been killed by another upon orders to do so.

Tillman's family and friends have access to all the exhaustive investigative work done by the army. They also have addtional documents leaked and verified linking higher officials to the cover-up.

If you recall the army first gave a totally false account of his death. Then they modified it with a different false account. Only after exhaustive lobbying did the family gain access to the true information.

As I've said before the place to start is The Pat Tillman story.