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Old 01-17-2010, 01:47 PM   #1
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Pornography vs. Prostitution
By Sherry F. Colb

Jenny Paulino stands accused of running a prostitution ring on the Upper East Side of Manhattan.

Among other defense arguments, Paulino moved to dismiss the case on Equal Protection grounds. She claimed that the Manhattan District Attorney's office selectively targets "escort services" for prosecution, while ignoring distributors of adult films, who are engaged in what is essentially the same activity.

Justice Budd G. Goodman recently issued a ruling rejecting Paulino's claim, on the ground that pornography does not qualify as prostitution under the relevant New York statute.

"Prostitution," said Justice Goodman, "is and has always been intuitively defined as a bilateral exchange between a prostitute and a client." Therefore, the judge explained, the district attorney's office has not ignored one form of prostitution and pursued another, within the meaning of the law.

Though the Equal Protection argument may be weak as a matter of statutory interpretation, the distinction between prostitution and pornography is not nearly as clear as Justice Goodman suggests.
What is prostitution legally?

Most of us typically think of prostitution as involving a customer who pays a prostitute for providing sexual services. We intuit that pornography, by contrast, involves a customer paying an actor for providing sexual services to another actor.

In other words, prostitution is generally understood as the bilateral trading of sex for money, while pornography involves the customer of an adult film paying money to watch other people have sex with each other, while receiving no sexual favors himself in return.

In keeping with this distinction, notes Justice Goodman, "the pornographic motion picture industry has flourished without prosecution since its infancy."

Justice Goodman may be correct about the statute in question, although the statutory language does not help his position.

New York Penal Law defines a prostitute as a person "who engages or agrees or offers to engage in sexual conduct with another person in return for a fee." A pornographic actor does just that: Like a more typical prostitute, he or she engages in sex in return for a fee.

Still, as Justice Goodman points out, traditional interpretations of the word "prostitute" narrow the literal definition to exempt pornography.

But that leads to another question: Does the pornography exemption make sense?

Stated differently, the District Attorney's office has perhaps correctly divined the legislative intent behind the statute at issue, but there might nonetheless be something fundamentally unfair about exempting distributors of nonobscene pornography from the vice laws.

To appreciate the unfairness, let us examine some of the arguments for this distinction.
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Most distributors of pornography would express shock at the prospect of being prosecuted for promoting prostitution. Under Miller v. California, as long as a work, taken as a whole, has "serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value," the First Amendment protects its distribution. Given this legal principle, how could pornography be criminal, in the way that prostitution is?

The process of filming and distributing pornography is considered protected speech, under the Supreme Court's First Amendment precedents. However, the First Amendment does not insulate the commission of crime from prosecution just because someone with a camera records the crime and intends to sell that recording to customers.

In keeping with this portrayal, one could reasonably characterize pornography as the payment of prostitutes for having sex in front of a camera. Though the film itself might be protected by the First Amendment, it could constitute evidence of paid-for sexual encounters -- that is, evidence of prostitution -- if a statute were designed to extend to that sort of prostitution.

For clarification, let us take an example from another area of criminal law. Doug the drug-dealer sells Carl the customer eight ounces of marijuana. Both Doug and Carl are guilty of (different) criminal acts for having engaged in this illicit transaction. Assume that there is an audience for such transactions on reality television (all rights reserved). In anticipation of this audience, Fiona the filmmaker pays Doug and Carl to permit her to tape them carrying out their business.

Has Fiona done anything illegal? No, but neither has her First-Amendment-protected act of filming and distributing her recording altered the illegal character of Doug's and Carl's conduct. Doug and Carl may still be prosecuted for engaging in a drug transaction, despite the fact that Fiona may not be prosecuted for taping it or showing the tape.

Fiona's tape may be subpoenaed and used by the district attorney's office as evidence of the drug transactions charged against Doug and Carl.
Differences in filming

To be sure, there are some differences between Fiona and the pornography distributor, which might translate into differences between pornographic actors, on the one hand, and Doug and Carl, on the other.

In our example, Doug and Carl have engaged in a drug transaction, and the only element that Fiona has added to the mix is her filming of that transaction. In the case of pornography, however, the actors having sex are doing so precisely because they are being filmed. The taping, in other words, is not just "evidence" of their having sex; it is the entire point of that sex. In pornography, then, the recording is an integral, rather than a peripheral, part of the transaction.

What this means is that unlike Doug and Carl, the people who have sex for the camera are actors, and acting -- unlike drug-dealing or prostitution -- is part of what falls within the protection of the First Amendment.

A better analogy to pornography might therefore be a film-maker paying Doug and Carl to act as though they are dealing drugs for the camera when in fact they are not. In such a case, of course, there would be no grounds for prosecuting the two men.
Does distinction work?

The distinction between pornography and prostitution is not, however, quite so straightforward as the latter analogy suggests. A couple having actual sex for the camera -- let's call the people Jason and June -- is different from Doug and Carl pretending to deal drugs. Doug and Carl really are just acting, but having intercourse is not just acting -- it is also bona fide sex.

That is what distinguishes a pornographic film from a film in which people pretend that they're having sex when they are not. In that sense, the reality TV example of Doug and Carl may be more like adult film than it initially appeared to be. Doug and Carl truly are dealing drugs and there is also filming going on, just as Jason and June really are having sex and there is also filming going on.
Law's point of view

But why should the distinction between pretending to have sex, and actually having it, make a difference, from a legal standpoint?

The sex act is a legally significant event. If it occurs without consent, it is rape. If it takes place between a married person and a third party, it is adultery. If it occurs and leads to the birth of a child, then the man is legally responsible for that child until the age of 18. And if it happens in exchange for a fee, then it is prostitution.

Pretending to have sex, however, for a camera or in private, triggers none of these legal consequences and can therefore be characterized as mere acting.
Who is paying whom?

When pornography is correctly understood as involving real sex, the question in comparing pornography to prostitution becomes whether who is paying whom matters (or should matter) to the law. That is, should it make a difference whether Jason pays June to have sex with Jason or whether, instead, Filmore (the filmmaker) pays June to have sex with Jason?

If these two scenarios seem functionally equivalent, then there may be something seriously wrong with our laws.

Consider the following example. Jason has just turned 21, and he is a virgin. His uncle Lecher believes that Jason should have some experience with sex before he finishes college, so Lecher pays June (a family friend) to have sex with Jason. Jason happily accepts this gift, and June carries out her side of the deal.

It does seem that in this example, prostitution has taken place. The payor may not be the same person as the recipient of sexual services, but so what?
Why court protects adult movies

It's almost certain that on its current precedents, the U.S. Supreme Court would hold that garden-variety pornographic actors are indeed engaged in First-Amendment-protected activity, so long as obscenity is not involved. Odd as it may seem, what appears finally to make all of the difference is the mode of gratification for the person who is paying but not himself seeking money.

The ultimate demand for pornography comes from the viewer of pornography, and what excites him is the watching of the adult film, rather than any physical act performed on him by another person. The "enjoyment" of pornography is therefore as "speech," rather than as action.

Though real sex occurred in the making of the pornographic film, this fact is only relevant insofar as it is known (or believed) by the viewer. If, for example, the entire film were created with highly realistic computer graphics, but the viewer believed that what he saw was real, then he would enjoy the material just as much.

Because the impact of pornography occurs through the mediation of an audience witnessing a performance, rather than an audience receiving physical services from a performer, pornography and its making qualify as First-Amendment protected speech.

Does this make sense? Consider again the significance of the sexual act: legal consequences can follow from it and it can, accordingly, be regulated by the law in a variety of ways. Though two people may very much want to have sex with each other in private, the law can intervene to say that they cannot, just because one of them seeks money and the other gratification, for example.

If, however, both members of the couple are in it for the money, and there is a man with a camera taping them, then the sex is insulated by the Constitution from legal regulation.

That is in fact the law, but Jenny Paulino can hardly be faulted for calling it arbitrary.

Sherry F. Colb, is a professor and Frederick B. Lacey Scholar at Rutgers Law School in Newark, New Jersey.
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Leave like it is....they would only fk... it up more.
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I know it was a long post, but I found some of what the author said fascinating.

After reading it and pondering what she said, I wonder if perhaps we have found a loophole for the hobby, even in the strictest of communities:


If, however, both members of the couple are in it for the money, and there is a man with a camera taping them, then the sex is insulated by the Constitution from legal regulation.


So if I get paid one dollar, and the provider is paid her normal rate, and one other gal or guy from the board is paid for holding the camera and the film is "distributed" on a limited basis. Are we covered under the first amendment precedents currently protecting the adult film industry?
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I~wanted 3 and 4 but multiples were not alloweD!
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If anyone or anything can mess up something, it would be the government.
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So you want to legalize it, regulate it, and tax it, but only in some areas of the country?

Hmmmm. . .so WHERE would you make it legal and why that town or state?
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Prostitution should be legal. There, I said it. LE needs to put its effort into stopping real crime, such as killing, kidnapping, gangland slayings and the like. Even though drug use is seen as another "victimless" crime (like prostitution), I think we would all agree that trafficking in drugs comes with extremely lethal consequences, and should be mercilessly and strongly attacked by LE.

Pornography, OTOH, gets a pass basically because it becomes a First Amendment issue in every case. In other words, is there redeeming content that would take it out of the prohibited realm and into the acceptable realm? I think it was Justice Stewart who said, "I can't define it but I know it when I see it." Those were in the days when most cases came up through the print media, and Playboy did a wonderful job of making each issue have some redeeming content.

Most prosecutors trying pornographic cases have been burned so they never try it again. They are long, time-consuming, resource-draining cases that they mostly lose. OTOH, prosecuting a provider is pretty easy, and for the most part, a slam-dunk.

I have been stunned that Kink.com has never been successfully prosecuted. I think it would be hard to find "redeeming content" in their websites. This shows the power of the First Amendment, and prosecutors' unwillingness to tackle this whole issue. A site like Kink.com will have literally millions of dollars to fight such a prosecution, whereas, a provider will be lucky to be able to afford a good attorney.

In the end, I think prostitution should be legalized. The kinds of conduct that occur around prostitution that should remain criminal are assaults, domestic abuse, theft, etc. The actual BCD conduct should be legalized. It would release LE resources to fight real crime, and encourage providers to pay taxes. Both are a benefit to society.
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What about the Czech Republic brothel "Big Sister", where the customers pay no fee, but sign a release allowing there session to be broadcast over the internet.
The ladies are paid by the establishment, just like an actress in a porn movie. The revenue stream is internet subscriptions, so it could be argued the customers are actors as well.
Wonder how fast some new laws would get passed if someone tried this concept in the US?
Would such an establishment be in violation of any current prostitution laws? Any other laws?
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So you want to legalize it, regulate it, and tax it, but only in some areas of the country?

Hmmmm. . .so WHERE would you make it legal and why that town or state?
Like booz and craps! There are still "dry" counties in the good ol' US of A! I think it's called "local option"?
Susan B. Anthony and Carry A. Nation ring a bell on this one. Stop the sales of beer and spirits, bootleggers are the result. Casinos exist in many states now. Pretty good pattern to follow? Will it eliminate crime and cure humanity? Will it provide a safe enviroment for providers? Well the theories have been presented in some forums, but there are no guarantees included. But if it eliminates pimps and reduces drug use and human trafficing? If it stops police payoffs and misuse of providers?
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So, the way I understand it, pornographic actors are not engaging in prostitution because technically nobody is paying anybody to have sex. The actors are having sex as part of a performance and are being paid to be filmed. Hmmmmm, interesting.
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So, the way I understand it, pornographic actors are not engaging in prostitution because technically nobody is paying anybody to have sex. The actors are having sex as part of a performance and are being paid to be filmed. Hmmmmm, interesting.
Yup, we need a hobbyist that is a lawyer to run this one up the flagpole and see if it will wave proudly, or rip off the chain in the wind.
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There was a case many years ago in California (where, I understand, the majority of pornography in the US is produced) that rejected the application of the prostitution law (actually, pandering as they had indicted the producer) because the statute in California included as an element of the crime that the act was "for the purpose of sexual arousal or gratification of the customer or of the prostitute." In that case, the court concluded that the actors and producers (who paid them) had a solely economic purpose. Thus, it did not fit within the terms of the statute. The opinion also addressed as an additional concern the First Amendment right to free expression, although it's not clear that the court would have ruled the same way if the conduct had fit within the terms of the prositution statute.

Here's a Wikipedia article on the case (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Freeman), as well as a Wikipedia article
on pornography ([ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornographic_actor[/ame]), which discusses the case and mentions:

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It is this specific legal distinction between pornography and prostitution in California law that has allowed California to become the porn center of the United States.

At present, no other state in the United States has either implemented or accepted this legal distinction between commercial pornography performers versus prostitutes as shown in the Florida case where sex film maker Clinton Raymond McCowen, aka "Ray Guhn", was indicted on charges of "soliciting and engaging in prostitution" for his creation of pornography films which included "McCowen and his associates recruited up to 100 local men and women to participate in group sex scenes, the affidavit says."[6] The distinction that California has in its legal determination in the Freeman decision is usually denied in most states' local prostitution laws, which do not specifically exclude performers from such inclusion.

In some cases, some states have ratified their local state laws for inclusion to prevent California's Freeman decision to be applied to actors who are paid a fee for sexual actions within their state borders. One example is the state of Texas whose prostitution law specifically states:

An offense is established under Subsection (a)(1) whether the actor is to receive or pay a fee. An offense is established under Subsection (a)(2) whether the actor solicits a person to hire him or offers to hire the person solicited.[7]
Here's a related column from The Straight Dope (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...h-prostitution)

In addition to the distinction between California law and that of most other states, I would point out that the First Amendment argument -- which is likely why most cops don't try to arrest actors/producers for prostitution -- would not apply to "obscene" performances.

And whatever you might say about your purpose/motive in creating such a film, the judge and/or jury determine credibility and would not necessarily credit any self-serving testimony by you.
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What about the Czech Republic brothel "Big Sister", where the customers pay no fee, but sign a release allowing there session to be broadcast over the internet.
The ladies are paid by the establishment, just like an actress in a porn movie. The revenue stream is internet subscriptions, so it could be argued the customers are actors as well.
Wonder how fast some new laws would get passed if someone tried this concept in the US?
Would such an establishment be in violation of any current prostitution laws? Any other laws?
Filming Porn in the US is only legal in "Porn Valley", the San Fernando Valley
specifically. In other areas it is still subject to a very expensive, long legal test. RealityKings, I believe tried it in Florida, where they are fighting several charges currently. In Texas certainly it is illegal.

http://www.bigsisterlive.com/free/tvtrailer.php certainly is clever idea.
But it would likely only fly in Porn Valley, which with its 15,000 sexworkers & $12 Billion income stream, together with all those "dispensaries" is propping up the Cali economy.

I've lived in Europe for the past year, visited Prague- tho I prefer the smaller towns of the CZ & E. Europe (1/2 price lol), and met two of the girls who work at Big Sister last Sept-saw them off the clock. Just never went there yet, takes a "special tude" & probably not a big gig, even in the EU.

It is a good place to work for truly nymphomaiac Providers to see Europe & break into Porn, pays equivalent of 4-6000 USD/mo in euros of course. They are well treated. Sexwork is totally legal in the EU.
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There was a case many years ago in California (where, I understand, the majority of pornography in the US is produced) that rejected the application of the prostitution law (actually, pandering as they had indicted the producer) because the statute in California included as an element of the crime that the act was "for the purpose of sexual arousal or gratification of the customer or of the prostitute." In that case, the court concluded that the actors and producers (who paid them) had a solely economic purpose. Thus, it did not fit within the terms of the statute. The opinion also addressed as an additional concern the First Amendment right to free expression, although it's not clear that the court would have ruled the same way if the conduct had fit within the terms of the prositution statute.

Here's a Wikipedia article on the case (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_v._Freeman), as well as a Wikipedia article on pornography (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornographic_actor), which discusses the case and mentions:



Here's a related column from The Straight Dope (http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...h-prostitution)

In addition to the distinction between California law and that of most other states, I would point out that the First Amendment argument -- which is likely why most cops don't try to arrest actors/producers for prostitution -- would not apply to "obscene" performances.

And whatever you might say about your purpose/motive in creating such a film, the judge and/or jury determine credibility and would not necessarily credit any self-serving testimony by you.
Hmmmm. . .this might open an great loophole then.

What if a provider out there offered MOVIE STAR EXPERIENCE instead of a traditional duo. For instance. . .

YOU CAN BE THE STAR OF YOU OWN PORN FILM!
For just $425.00 per hour you get:

One actress and one female camera technician which will work with you in a scene you direct with the following options:


  • 5 minute simple improvised intro scene with plot/setting of your choice
  • 20 minute Fellatio scene with or without money shot
  • 15 minute Cunnilingus scene
  • 20 minute action scene with up to three positions/angles with or without money shot

You will be given a keepsake video in either SD card, DVDR or USB thumbdrive format. This is a license for one copy only. You must negotiate with the actress for additional copies or distribution rights. If you wish the actress to follow a special script that includes complex dialogue, costume, or character there is an additional charge for this and the script must be submitted in advance.


THIS OFFER IS INTENDED FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY
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And whatever you might say about your purpose/motive in creating such a film, the judge and/or jury determine credibility and would not necessarily credit any self-serving testimony by you.
To be clear, I don't think they would believe you were paying $425 for "movie star experience." Judges and jurors do not simply accept the testimony of a defendant at face value. I was on the jury for a "promotion of prostitution" case awhile back, and after having listened to the deliberations, I'm fairly confident that most jurors wouild disregard your testimony and the documentation about the purpose and conclude that you were paying for sex.

But, if you want to try the "loophole," go ahead. Good luck.
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