What I Fear Most

[CuteOldGuy]

From Ron Paul: “What I Fear The Most Is a False Flag – Something Happening Where One of Our Ships Goes Down, Or … a Plane Goes Down, And of Course It HAD To Be The Iranians, You Know, For Sure, For Certain”.

More:

Paul joins numerous other high-level government officials who have warned that a false flag may be launched against Iran to start a war:

Former National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski (who helped to create Al Qaeda to fight the soviets in Afghanistan) told the Senate that a terrorist act might be carried out in the U.S. and falsely blamed on Iran to justify war against that nation.

Daniel Ellsberg – the famous Pentagon Papers whistleblower – said “if there is another terror attack, “I believe the president will get what he wants”, which includes war with Iran

Robert David Steele – a 20-year Marine Corps infantry and intelligence officer, the second-ranking civilian in U.S. Marine Corps Intelligence, and former CIA clandestine services case officer – says that elements within the U.S. government are trying to carry out a false flag operation and blame it on Iran

Former high-level CIA officer Michael Scheuer – who was the head of the CIA unit tasked with capturing Bin Laden – says that Israel or Saudi Arabia could be setting up Iran as a way to foment WW 3

Pulitzer-prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh says many ideas have been proposed for provoking a war, including building boats that look like Iranian boats, and then putting Navy Seals on them to “start a shoot-up”

The highly influential Brookings Institution wrote a report in 2009 called “Which Path to Persia?” which states (pages 84-85):
It would be far more preferable if the United States could cite an Iranian provocation as justification for the airstrikes before launching them. Clearly, the more outrageous, the more deadly, and the more unprovoked the Iranian action, the better off the United States would be.Of course, it would be very difficult for the United States to goad Iran into such a provocation without the rest of the world recognizing this game, which would then undermine it. (One method that would have some possibility of success would be to ratchet up covert regime change efforts in the hope that Tehran would retaliate overtly, or even semi-overtly, which could then be portrayed as an unprovoked act of Iranian aggression.)

A member of the British Parliament stated that “there is a very real danger” that the American government will stage a false flag terror attack in order to justify war against Iran

A number of very high-level former intelligence officers – including several that personally briefed presidents every day on matters of national security – stated that better communications between the U.S. and Iran were needed to “reduce the danger of … covert, false-flag attack”

One of America’s top constitutional and military law experts – Jonathan Turley – writes:
Many critics have argued that there is a concerted effort to push the United States into a war with Iran by supporters of Israel. Patrick Clawson, director of research for the highly influential pro-Israel Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP) think tank, seemed intent to prove those rumors true this week in comments as a luncheon on “How to Build US-Israeli Coordination on Preventing an Iranian Nuclear Breakout.” Clawson casually discusses how to create a false flag operation to push the U.S. into war to overcome any reluctance by the public. We have been discussing how many leaders like Senator Joe Lieberman had begun to use the same rhetoric that led to the last two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and how the suggest timing of an attack has been tied to the presidential election.

In his remarks, Clawson helpfully lists a series of historical events used to push the country into war like the Gulf of Tonkin incident that gave us the Vietnam War. Clawson expressed his frustration in acknowledging that it is “[v]ery hard for me to see how the United States President can get us to war with Iran.” However, there is hope. Clawson explains that the “traditional way” to get the country into a war is through false flags or manufactured incidents where Americans are killed. Thus, he observes, “we are in the game of using covert means against the Iranians, we could get nastier about it. So, if in fact the Iranians aren’t going to compromise, it would be best if somebody else started the war.”

The fact that one of the leading analysis for the WINEP would feel comfortable in making such comments is itself quite chilling. It indicates that such discussions have become sufficiently regular that it has creeped into public discussion. It is a measure of the secret pressure building to push this country into a third major war despite our crippling economic conditions and losses in military personnel. The assumption in Washington is that neither Romney nor Obama could oppose such a war. Even if Obama does not publicly support Israel, the assumption is that political allies of Israel in Washington can guarantee that we would offer extensive military loans and intelligence. Even if there is a delay in such military loans and support, the assumption is that Israel can go to war with the understanding that the United States will cover a significant portion of the costs. Moreover, in his remarkably candid remarks, Clawson shows how the U.S. can easily be forced into direct combat by pushing Iran to simply kill some Americans or sink a few of our ships. Then members would be clamoring for revenge. Notably, the Israelis have been ratcheting up the war rhetoric in pushing Iran, which predictably has now reserved the right to engage in a preemptive strike not just against Israeli but U.S. interests. We would then, again, find ourselves in a war without any public debate or collective decision.

While Clawson adds a passing caveat that he is not advocating such an approach, his remarks are clearly designed to show how the group can get the United States into a war for Israel if only we can get Iran to kill some of our citizens or soldiers. Those people are of course expendable props in Clawson’s realpolitik.

By the way, Clawson has been enlisted to give his insightful analysis at the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank. He is also a member of the National Defense University’s Institute for National Strategic Studies. The World Bank connection is particularly interesting given the history with Paul Wolfowitz who pushed the U.S. into two disastrous wars in the Bush Administration and was rewarded with being made the head of the World Bank.

It is the callous disconnect that is most chilling in these remarks. Thousands of U.S. soldiers have died or have been crippled for life in these wars that have left the country near bankruptcy (and increasingly hostile “allies” in Afghanistan and Iraq). Those casualties and costs, however, appear immaterial in the discussion of supporting Israel in a war against Iran.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/...re-for-ce.html

[Yssup Rider]

what you fear most?

EVERYTHING!

[CuteOldGuy]

Thank you, Master Debater. Anyone else have a serious comment?

[Yssup Rider]

I honestly wonder why you waste so much time putting forth your Chicken Little stuff, Wichita Whineman. You want to know why I don't bring my A game to these threads, as I have done for so many years? It's because the topics offered up by you, Barleycorn, Joe Slow and Dipshit of the Year are so outrageous that they defy intelligent debate.

Regardless of any response, the comeback from you nuts is the same.

So I'd prefer to use my intellectual capital on more worthy things, like arguing with hookers over the best ass lube.

Please do us all a favor and put your bullshit on a bumpersticker. Maybe your pals will be able to Come to your defense.

[CuteOldGuy]

Thank you, Assup. You continually show your superiority to us all.

Now, anyone have a serious response?

[Yssup Rider]

Doubtful, Whineman. Bring some thought provoking content and avoid the dogshit!

Oh yeah ... KANSAS! NUFF said, Auntie Em!

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

More dribbling bullshit-blather from the pile of bullshit AKA Assup!

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[Yssup Rider]

That's another complete shock. Dipshit of the year hit CTL+ins

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

More dribbling bullshit-blather from the pile of bullshit AKA Assup!

[fetishfreak]

Republicans accused Kennedy/Johnson of fabricating Disastrous attacks on our military to escalate the war in Vietnam then went on to continue to fight the war. Democrats did the same thing in Iraq for both war 1 and 2 over there. There has been a spark of some sort to send American forces into every war war since 1812. Many of which have been debated by one side or the other as to the validity of the event. Why anyone would blindly support one side or the other in Washington is irrational to me. But hey, it is human nature to be mislead yet refuse to see it. I for one refuse to believe anything that comes out of the mouth of a group of known liars. The funny thing is there is enough liars telling different lies and half truths that often the whole story is out there it is just nearly impossible to for us to piece it together all the time.

[theaustinescorts]

The Defense Department, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the entire officer corp of the United States armed forces, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Central Security Service, the State Department Intelligence Service, and the National Security Council ARE ALL UNITED IN OPPOSITION TO A WAR WITH IRAN.

THERE WILL BE NO WAR WITH IRAN.

The Israelis cannot strike either because they haven't the ability and the US will not permit them to proceed.

The Likud Party in Israel is pushing for it but MOSSAD is opposed, and so is every other branch of the IDF.

DON'T BELIEVE WHAT YOU SEE ON CNN, FOX NEWS, OR READ IN THE NEW YORK TIMES.

Besides, the Iranians will never do anything with a nuclear weapon. It will just sit there.

Thus sayeth one who knows.

[Yssup Rider]

Actually, I'd bet the Israelis could reduce Iran to ashes if they so desired, but only persistent diplomatic efforts by our Muslim loving, Communist, fried chicken eating President has prevented that.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by theaustinescorts

The Defense Department, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the entire officer corp of the United States armed forces, the Central Intelligence Agency, the Central Security Service, the State Department Intelligence Service, and the National Security Council ARE ALL UNITED IN OPPOSITION TO A WAR WITH IRAN.

THERE WILL BE NO WAR WITH IRAN.

The Israelis cannot strike either because they haven't the ability and the US will not permit them to proceed.

The Likud Party in Israel is pushing for it but MOSSAD is opposed, and so is every other branch of the IDF.

DON'T BELIEVE WHAT YOU SEE ON CNN, FOX NEWS, OR READ IN THE NEW YORK TIMES.

Besides, the Iranians will never do anything with a nuclear weapon. It will just sit there.

Thus sayeth one who knows.

Ahmadinejad and Ayatollah Khomeini are both believers in the Twelfth Imam cult; they're nuts. They think the Twelvfth Imam will return when the world is in complete chaos. They both believe he's been in hiding for a thousand years. That's why they will nuke Israel if they get a nuclear bomb to create chaos and trigger the return of the Twelfth Imam.

Mutually assured destruction won't prevent a nuclear war when one party is insane. If Israel can't get American cooperation in dealing with Iran, I think they may use an EMP bomb and fry Iran's electronics. Iran won't be bombing anyone for a hundred years or so after that.

[theaustinescorts]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Actually, I'd bet the Israelis could reduce Iran to ashes if they so desired, but only persistent diplomatic efforts by our Muslim loving, Communist, fried chicken eating President has prevented that.

Yes you are correct in that if Iran struck Israel with any nuclear bombs Israel could retaliate with dozens of nuclear bombs on Iran.

That's why Iran will never use a nuclear weapon on Israel, and everybody knows that.

As for attacking Iran with conventional bombers Israel can't even afford the fuel at today's prices to stage that kind of attack, and that's just the beginning of their limitations.

[theaustinescorts]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

Ahmadinejad and Ayatollah Khomeini are both believers in the Twelfth Imam cult; they're nuts. They think the Twelvfth Imam will return when the world is in complete chaos. They both believe he's been in hiding for a thousand years. That's why they will nuke Israel if they get a nuclear bomb to create chaos and trigger the return of the Twelfth Imam.

Mutually assured destruction doesn't prevent nuclear wars when one party is insane. If Israel can't get American cooperation in dealing with Iran, I think they may use an EMP bomb and fry Iran's electronics. Iran won't be bombing anyone for a hundred years or so after that.

The head of Mossad was on American television saying the opposite and his assessment is shared by the entire US government, including CIA, etc...

The leadership of Iran doesn't really beleive in any of that crap anymore than the Israelis believe they are going to be saved by the arrival of a messiah.

You need to learn that what people profess to because of religion is NOT REAL!!!!