“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves” Edward R Murrow

[oilfieldace]

Folks we are running out of chances to save this country.

One that believes in open borders, gives money to those that haven’t earned it and is cool with how this administration is taking us under , doesn’t love the America I remember.

We have a chance to reverse this disastrous trend come November. Trump is the only answer. PUT AMERICA FIRST

[eyecu2]

Sadly Trump is AN answer.

• Not the only answer.
• Not even a good answer.
• Not a law abiding citizen.
• Not innocent.
• Not a leader.
• Not a winner.
• Not gonna win in November

I hope other options avail themselves, as I agree that the current situation is not tenable.

But still a hard NO on Trump. Too much baggage and drama with certainly more on the way. It's like staying in a physically violent marriage when the victims hear I love you after each punch in the face.

Just No.

[oilfieldace]

Originally Posted by eyecu2

Sadly Trump is AN answer.

• Not the only answer.
• Not even a good answer.
• Not a law abiding citizen.
• Not innocent.
• Not a leader.
• Not a winner.
• Not gonna win in November

I hope other options avail themselves, as I agree that the current situation is not tenable.

But still a hard NO on Trump. Too much baggage and drama with certainly more on the way. It's like staying in a physically violent marriage when the victims hear I love you after each punch in the face.

Just No.

Trump is being unjustly persecuted by the corrupt Biden Administration. He had us on the right track and he can and will do it again

[Yssup Rider]

If the question is - what is the worst thing that could happen to our society, then Trump is the answer.

As has been repeated ad nauseum, if he hadn’t spend his life trying to game the system, he wouldn’t be the criminal he is today. I recall him being investigated and impeached while he was in charge of DOJ.

Was his Administration/DOJ corrupt too?

Do other career scofflaws get so many opportunities to whine about their victimhood?

Believe me, ace, nobody’s whining more about being persecuted than Trumpf himself.

[oilfieldace]

[QUOTE=Yssup Rider;1063433994]If the question is - what is the worst thing that could happen to our society, then Trump is the answer.





You really don’t have the first clue , who afforded him all the avenues to game the system. That was majority Democrat , it wasn’t a problem before 2016, all the libs licking his ass. Disgusting!!! I couldn’t stand Trump before 2016, I was dead set against him ever becoming President. But his actions and America first policies turned the tide!!! . Now run along and try to peddle your wares elsewhere.

BTW that wasn’t a question then or now. You need to learn the difference between a question and a statement.

[Yssup Rider]

Nice talk, bud.

[farmstud60]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

If the question is - what is the worst thing that could happen to our society, then Trump is the answer.

As has been repeated ad nauseum, if he hadn’t spend his life trying to game the system, he wouldn’t be the criminal he is today. I recall him being investigated and impeached while he was in charge of DOJ.

Was his Administration/DOJ corrupt too?

Do other career scofflaws get so many opportunities to whine about their victimhood?

Believe me, ace, nobody’s whining more about being persecuted than Trumpf himself.

You obviously have no clue who is in charge of Impeachment proceedings.

[Lucas McCain]

Ace, you don't get to refer to any group of people as "sheep" (yes, I realize it was a quote in the title from someone else) when you are a MAGA brainwashed loyalist who actually believes that Trump is the best president this country has ever had.

If you think an old vengeful man who will do nothing for this country other than strongly support an evil monster like Putin and seek vengeance on anybody who he believes has wronged him, then you are right, Trump is the answer. Fortunately, the majority of this country knows exactly who Trump is and knows that an extreme narcissist like him who has no respect for neither rules nor authority, has no business whatsoever being the most powerful person in the world.

[oilfieldace]

Originally Posted by Lucas McCain

Ace, you don't get to refer to any group of people as "sheep" when you are a MAGA brainwashed loyalist who actually believes that Trump is the best president this country has ever had.

If you think an old vengeful man who will do nothing for this country other than strongly support an evil monster like Putin and seek vengeance on anybody who he believes has wronged him, than you are right, Trump is the answer. Fortunately, the majority of this country knows exactly who Trump is and knows that an extreme narcissist like him who has no respect for neither rules nor authority, has no business whatsoever being the most powerful person in the world.

Glad your back, I really missed your insightful comments.

Why don’t I have the right, you against the First amendment too?.

Barrack Obama said Russia wasn’t a threat, I guess Putin is included in that?

Biden has been vengeful,is that ok with you as well.

Trump has too much to correct Biden, Hunterandthe rest aren’t in his crosshairs.

I believe Putinwouldnt have invaded the Ukraine with Trump asPresident

For a man that throws around genius as much as you , I recall history from3 years ago.

Have a good day sir.

[Tigbitties38]

The house is in charge of impeachment. And while barr was in trump's pocket, trump was investigated and impeached.
Trump is a whiny, puck ass bitch.
By far the most corrupt president we've ever had.

Originally Posted by farmstud60

You obviously have no clue who is in charge of Impeachment proceedings.

[Salty Again]

Originally Posted by Tigbitties38

The house is in charge of impeachment. And while barr was in trump's pocket, trump was investigated and impeached.
Trump is a whiny, puck ass bitch.
By far the most corrupt president we've ever had.

... Crikey! ... So Trump fancies HOCKEY??
Hmmmm... Surely learn something new here everyday...

You don't wanna be a nation of sheep.
Just look at the kiwis...

... That Murrow fellow is right... Much rather be
a nation of dingoes! .... THAT trumps being sheep.

#### Salty

[ICU 812]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

As has been repeated ad nauseum, if he hadn’t spend his life trying to game the system, he wouldn’t be the criminal he is today.

By "trying to game the system", do you mean following the tax code?

[ICU 812]

Lotta hate here for the former president, and I "get" where some of that comes from. Don't think I'd like to have him in my Van Pool or on myh HOA board.

Yet, what exactly. did he do as president that was not i the best interests of our cvountry and us as citizens? Did he try to protect us from Covid with that travel ban? While that didn't work, perhaps nothing would have stopped the spread of the Pandemic of 2019-2020.

ASs president, did he sell us out to the Chinese? I dont think he did.

Did he allow an uncontrolled, unrestricted influx of forign nationals to swamp our cities with violent homeless folks from around the world? I would say no.

Was ity his occvasinal infidelities or hujs dated frat-boy attitudes toward women? We have had effective and popular presidents with worse records in that area.

SDo then, besides his qabrasive manner and terets-like midnignt outbursts on social media, what is it that he has done that bothers the haters so m uch.

[SpeedRacerXXX]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

Lotta hate here for the former president, and I "get" where some of that comes from. Don't think I'd like to have him in my Van Pool or on myh HOA board.

Yet, what exactly. did he do as president that was not i the best interests of our cvountry and us as citizens? Did he try to protect us from Covid with that travel ban? While that didn't work, perhaps nothing would have stopped the spread of the Pandemic of 2019-2020.

ASs president, did he sell us out to the Chinese? I dont think he did.

Did he allow an uncontrolled, unrestricted influx of forign nationals to swamp our cities with violent homeless folks from around the world? I would say no.

Was ity his occvasinal infidelities or hujs dated frat-boy attitudes toward women? We have had effective and popular presidents with worse records in that area.

SDo then, besides his qabrasive manner and terets-like midnignt outbursts on social media, what is it that he has done that bothers the haters so m uch.

To answer your question in the 2nd paragraph, one case comes quickly to mind -- his promise to repeal and replace Obamacare. Over 20 million people have signed up for Obamacare for 2024, a record, and a recent poll has 60% in favor of Obamacare. What is worse, Trump has no plan to replace Obamacare.

Do me a favor and in the attached link look under "Individual Leadership Characteristics" and try to understand why well over 100 people knowledgeable on the subject rank Trump 41 out of 44 men who have held the title of POTUS. And if you claim bias, prove it.

https://www.c-span.org/presidentsurv.../?page=overall

The only piece of legislation Trump got through Congress that helped me in any way was his tax plan, which most believe favored the rich. Trump failed on many of his campaign promises -- indict Hillary, repeal and replace Obamacare, build a wall and make Mexico pay for, get an infrastructure bill passed (similar to what Biden did get passed), etc.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...s/trumpometer/

https://prospect.org/politics/trumps...oken-promises/

[Yssup Rider]

Who separated children from their families at the border and lost hundreds of them?

Same guy who doctored the hurricane map rather than admit he misspoke.

Not a lot of bleating about either.