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Old 09-03-2024, 01:29 AM   #1
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Default Trump’s immigration policy will bring back inflation?

Immigration experts and economists say that Trump’s immigration policy will increase inflation.

NY Times: Trump Said Democrats Will Take Away Your Hamburgers. He’s the One Who Might. https://archive.ph/556SR

Trump has promised an immigration crackdown if reelected. That could backfire on the economy. https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/14/busin...obs/index.html

We used to have too much money supply and pandemic related supply problems. The next problem will be a Trump inspired labor shortage in our food supply chain and construction industry.

When will people realize that we need immigrants to help power our economy. Our best hope is amnesty for illegal immigrants that have been in the US over the long haul. Something similar to the compromise that occurred under Reagan in 1987. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigr...ol_Act_of_1986
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Old 09-03-2024, 05:22 AM   #2
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Good topic. That's a tough discussion because of the so many variables. I certainly agree that this country needs immigrants to do jobs that Americans simply don't want or want to get paid too much money to do. On the other hand, how do you economically quantify that number that is reasonable and not intrusive?

Anyway, I'll get back to this later if some subsequent posts are reasonable. Time to go perform my daily corporate bitch duties.
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Old 09-03-2024, 06:47 AM   #3
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What part of there are laws about immigration that the Dims simply ignore is not understood? Easy fix, Congress passes appropriate laws. I'm sure that Congress has economists on call that can figure out Lucas' question.

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Trump is not proposing to stop "immigration". He's only wanting to stop illegal immigration.
Please get your definitions correct.

Lucas,
You are correct. But intentionally skipping around existing law(s) is not the way to do it.

My old outfit made great use of EB-3 and EB-5 immigration visas and still do. Their 2nd day on the job the folks were introduced to an immigration atty to plan out how to end up with a green card, and, later on, citizenship. A long term permanent job for an immigrant, with health benefits, even if not paid that well, is a huge thing for these folks. I've gone to a few citizenship ceremonies and not a dry eye for any of our staff.

Jumping across the border with zero paperwork and no sponsor is not the way to do it.
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Old 09-03-2024, 07:38 AM   #4
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Immigration experts and economists say that Trump’s immigration policy will increase inflation.

NY Times: Trump Said Democrats Will Take Away Your Hamburgers. He’s the One Who Might. https://archive.ph/556SR

Trump has promised an immigration crackdown if reelected. That could backfire on the economy. https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/14/busin...obs/index.html

We used to have too much money supply and pandemic related supply problems. The next problem will be a Trump inspired labor shortage in our food supply chain and construction industry.

When will people realize that we need immigrants to help power our economy. Our best hope is amnesty for illegal immigrants that have been in the US over the long haul. Something similar to the compromise that occurred under Reagan in 1987. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigr...ol_Act_of_1986
Immigration isn't the problem in and of itself. It's the process of citizenship.
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Old 09-03-2024, 09:49 AM   #5
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It seems both parties fumble this issue for the longest of time.
Ronnie it seems is the one that had amnesty granted. Ima sure that ain't what UC was meaning for stopping illegal immigration.

Hence, both sides gotta agree on the law.

And the "easy fix" was in the works. That is until the Party of No listened to the orange airhead. Regardless what people think/feel/say, that was Congress doing their job and a melange tinged wannabe dictator pushing his agenda to crush a bill started by one of his own.

With you on the immigration ceremony. I've attended them too. It is emotional. Side note: if an immigrant wants to change their name, that is the prime time to do it on newly minted US of A paperwork.

People will still cross the border. With sponsership. With purchased documents. Still a way to go that route.
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Old 09-04-2024, 12:46 AM   #6
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The US immigration system is seriously broken. The CATO institute released a report in 2020 with some good information on the situation and some ideas on how to improve the system.

https://www.cato.org/study/reforming...-brief-outline

I’m not sure I agree with all the points in the article but there is one thing that I do agree with.

To improve its economy and society, Congress should strive to restore America’s exceptionalism on legal immigration.

Leaving things to the status quo and executive actions is just moving the deck chairs around on the Titanic. Congress needs to realize the need for immigrants so that they can stop fighting the tide and we can start building a better system to bring in the well off and the well educated rather than just those who are relatives of those already here.
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Old 09-04-2024, 09:21 AM   #7
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It is really quite simple, illegal immigration has to stop. Until this happens nothing else matters.



Once you enforce laws and put policies in place to stop illegal immigration policies to improve the process to citizenship can be put in place.
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Old 09-04-2024, 10:09 AM   #8
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Maybe here's a little insight from the action of little Dumpty JR. about actual cost.



https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/...roduce-prices/


The 12.6B doesn't include lost tax revenue from those that left.
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Old 09-04-2024, 11:28 AM   #9
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Congressional Budget Office report.

Effects of the Immigration Surge on the Federal Budget and the Economy

An increase in immigration over the 2021–2026 period boosts federal revenues as well as mandatory spending and interest on the debt in CBO’s baseline projections, lowering deficits, on net, by $0.9 trillion over the 2024–2034 period.

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/60165
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All I know is that all those sanctuary cities suddenly weren't wanting the migrants once they started getting bussed in. If the influx is so great for the economy, then why aren't they being used to fill in that glut of available jobs out there?
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Congressional Budget Office report.

Effects of the Immigration Surge on the Federal Budget and the Economy

An increase in immigration over the 2021–2026 period boosts federal revenues as well as mandatory spending and interest on the debt in CBO’s baseline projections, lowering deficits, on net, by $0.9 trillion over the 2024–2034 period.

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/60165



Worthless garbage that doesn't talk about illegal immigration.
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Worthless garbage that doesn't talk about illegal immigration.
Actually it does.

The number of people entering the United States has increased sharply in recent years. Most of the increase comes from a surge in people whom the Congressional Budget Office categorizes as other foreign nationals. Some of them have received permission to enter or remain in the country, and some have not; more detail on the composition of immigrants in that category is provided below.

Read the report.
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Old 09-04-2024, 01:44 PM   #13
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All I know is that all those sanctuary cities suddenly weren't wanting the migrants once they started getting bussed in. If the influx is so great for the economy, then why aren't they being used to fill in that glut of available jobs out there?
You are not wrong. Dealing with the influx of new migrants is certainly a challenge but programs like Operation Lone Star is certainly not the solution. A more politically motivated approach I would be hard to find.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Lone_Star

As of April 2022, OLS was spending approximately $2.5 million per week and was expected to cost approximately $2 billion per year.

Maybe the money spent on this program could have been utilized to either improve processing of migrants to deport them or to help those we want to become guest workers.

Shutting down the border is a failed policy. Congress must use the next term to make some real progress in solving this issue.

The problem as I see it is that politicians are more interested in using the issue to bludgeon the other side rather than actually solving the problem.
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Sadly, immigrants passing the citizenship test often know more about our system of government than our kids.
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Sadly, immigrants passing the citizenship test often know more about our system of government than our kids.
I don't think they teach Civics or government in high school any more, at least not where I live.
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