Sorry people. No more Ray Epps to kick around

[VerySkeptical]

Pretty funny. Not only is Ray Epps not a fed, but like I've tried to point out all along, is a Trumpy.

New Evidence Undercuts Jan. 6 Instigator Conspiracy Theory
Recordings released to defense lawyers directly challenge assertions by prominent Republicans that an Arizona man named Ray Epps was a federal informant and helped start the Capitol riot.

"Prominent Republicans — including former President Donald J. Trump — have for months promoted a conspiracy theory that an Arizona man named Ray Epps was a federal informant who helped to instigate the attack on the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.
The claims, made in congressional hearing rooms, on Fox News and at Mr. Trump’s political rallies, have largely been based on a video taken just before violence erupted at the Capitol, showing Mr. Epps at the barricades outside the building whispering into the ear of a man named Ryan Samsel.
Within moments of the brief exchange, Mr. Samsel, a Pennsylvania barber, can be seen moving forward and confronting the police in what amounted to the tipping point of the riot. Despite lacking proof for their claims, many Republicans have surmised that Mr. Epps instructed Mr. Samsel to antagonize the officers. They have also pushed the notion that because Mr. Epps has not been arrested, he must have been working for the government.
But for more than a year, well before the name Ray Epps was widely known in right-wing circles, federal authorities have had information — from both him and Mr. Samsel — suggesting that he was not a government agent and did not encourage the younger man to engage with the police that day.
Just two days after the attack, when Mr. Epps saw himself on a list of suspects from Jan. 6, he called an F.B.I. tip line and told investigators that he had tried to calm Mr. Samsel down when they spoke, according to three people who have heard a recording of the call. Mr. Epps went on to say that he explained to Mr. Samsel that the police outside the building were merely doing their jobs, the people said.
Then in late January of last year, in an interview with the F.B.I., Mr. Samsel said much the same thing, telling investigators that a man he did not know came up to him at the barricades and suggested he relax, according to a recording of the interview obtained by The New York Times.
“He came up to me and he said, ‘Dude’ — his entire words were, ‘Relax, the cops are doing their job,’” Mr. Samsel said.
The theories surrounding Mr. Epps have been debunked before, most notably afterhe spoke last year to investigatorsworking with the House select committee examining the Jan. 6 attack. During the interview, committee officials said, Mr. Epps said that he was not an F.B.I. informant and denied reports that he had urged protesters to go into the Capitol at the behest of federal law enforcement agencies.
Still, the rumors about him have persisted, becoming regular fodder for right-wing politicians and media figures.
Last month, Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, Republican of Georgia, mentioned Mr. Epps — and his supposed role in fomenting the Capitol riot — duringa hearing in Atlantaheld to determine whether she should be labeled an “insurrectionist” and barred from office under the Constitution.
The recordings of Mr. Epps and Mr. Samsel were released by the government last week as a discovery disclosure to scores of defense lawyers representing people charged with crimes in connection with the Capitol attack. A spokesman for the Justice Department declined to comment on why prosecutors have held on to the material so long and decided not to make it public.
Right-wing chatter about Mr. Epps, who is 60 and runs a wedding and event venue in Queen Creek, Ariz., began last spring after videos of him at a pro-Trump rally in Washington started to circulate online. Aside from the clip with Mr. Samsel, Mr. Epps was caught on video standing in a crowd of Trump supporters on the night of Jan. 5, 2021, urging his compatriots to “go into the Capitol” the next day.
At a hearing in October, Representative Thomas Massie, Republican of Kentucky, showed the clip of Mr. Epps encouraging the crowd and used it to question Attorney General Merrick B. Garland about whether federal agents had acted as agitators on Jan. 6.
The story about Mr. Epps gained further traction near the one-year anniversary of the Capitol attack when the Fox News anchor Tucker Carlson featured it in a documentary called “Patriot Purge,” which suggested that the Capitol attack might have been a “false flag” operation by the government.
Not long after, questions about Mr. Epps were raised again at a Senate hearing — this time by Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas.
“There are a lot of people who are understandably very concerned about Mr. Epps,” he said.
According to the people who have heard the recording of Mr. Epps, he told the F.B.I. during his call that instigators might have been in the crowd outside the Capitol on Jan. 6. But he explained that he was not one of them and did not suggest that anyone who might have encouraged the mob that day was working for the government.
Mr. Epps also suggested during the call that he believed that the 2020 election was stolen from Mr. Trump.
The recording of Mr. Samsel appears to be a brief clip of a longer interview with the F.B.I. that took place in late January 2021 after he was arrested and charged with assaulting a police officer at the Capitol.
In the same interview, Mr. Samsel told the F.B.I. that another person in the crowd outside the Capitol, Joseph Biggs, a leader of the far-right group the Proud Boys, also pulled him aside that day and spoke to him just before he confronted the officers.
While Mr. Biggs has deniedthe account, Mr. Samsel told investigators that Mr. Biggs encouraged him to push at the barricades and that when he hesitated, the Proud Boys leader flashed a gun, questioned his manhood and repeated his request.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/05/u...-evidence.html

[Salty Again]

... Now THAT really IS FUNNY!

... The New York Times?? ... Yeah, they got credibility.

... The DOJ and Intelligence Officials also.

... Did they have 50 "intelligence" people investigate this
or 100? ... You surely embarrass yerself around here
everyday, Munch.

### Salty

[bb1961]

Yeah the NewYorkCrimes was on board with the "Russian Hoax" and the cunter biden laptop Russian conspiracy...Real credible bunch

[VitaMan]

Are you suggesting to use bitchute and thegatewaypundit as sources for your information ?


Those are the primary sources of the right leaners on here.

[VerySkeptical]

In other words you've been caught lying again and all you can do is flap your gums and attack a source with nothing to refute the story with. Like your word means anything.
Just like having no proof when you first put your foot in your mouth over the story.
Revolver more credible than the NYT? Just another statement a normal person would regret making the rest of their life.

Thank you for collapsing in the face of truth.
If embarrassment meant anything to you then you would never post again.
I'm still waiting for you to prove me wrong based on anything other than your unsupported word. At least the wacky one, bambi, and barley boy provide links. Sure is easy to prove you wrong.

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Now THAT really IS FUNNY!

... The New York Times?? ... Yeah, they got credibility.

... The DOJ and Intelligence Officials also.

... Did they have 50 "intelligence" people investigate this
or 100? ... You surely embarrass yerself around here
everyday, Munch.

### Salty

[bb1961]

You still drinking the NewYorkCrimes " russian hoax" coolaid...they and the rest of the LSM peddled this shit for four years!! Then there is the cunter laptop "russian disinformation" conspiracy which they shamefully admitted wasn't true...quite a track record for a "credible" soruce
They have admitted they were fucking dead wrong about both these stories, can you also admitted that they were fucking dead wrong about these stories without shaming yourself in the process?? ...with all the shit they promoted about those false stories and you say they're a credible source...with a straight face??
Truth hurts munchy or whoever the hell you are now.
P.S. Did they ever find the peep tapes??

[VerySkeptical]

In other words, you can't refute the story. Why didn't you just say so?
Plus your take on the those stories is just that. Your story.

You talk shit and you can't back it up. I say you're a blowhard. Prove me wrong and post a ....no, don't post a link yet. Your description of events is gibberish. Try explaining your point in big people talk.
Unless you can't of course.
Pretty tough to refute "russian shit". I mean what the fuck does that even mean? Do you mean his national security advisor lying about discussing sanctions with their ambassador? The contacts his campaign had with the Russians? Manafort sharing polling data with them?
Read the fucking Mueller Report. Then post a link showing the NYT claiming he was guilty of a crime involving the Russians after the report was out.
We'll start with the first claim you made.
After you prove your accusation, we'll move on.
In the mean time, STFU.

If it's so obvious or easy to prove, then prove it.
Stop acting like a little kid.

Originally Posted by bb1961

You still drinking the NewYorkCrimes " russian hoax" coolaid...they and the rest of the LSM peddled this shit for four years!! Then there is the cunter laptop "russian disinformation" conspiracy which they shamefully admitted wasn't true...quite a track record for a "credible" soruce
They have admitted they were fucking dead wrong about both these stories, can you also admitted that they were fucking dead wrong about these stories without shaming yourself in the process?? ...with all the shit they promoted about those false stories and you say they're a credible source...with a straight face??
Truth hurts munchy or whoever the hell you are now.
P.S. Did they ever find the peep tapes??

[texassapper]

LOL... the government investigated itself and found that it was innocent of the charges.

Fair enough then.

[VitaMan]

Ray Epps was always a made up conspiracy story. Getting pretty ridiculous. Trumpites never want to take responsibility and admit what they have done.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Salty Again

... Now THAT really IS FUNNY!

... The New York Times?? ... Yeah, they got credibility.

... The DOJ and Intelligence Officials also.

... Did they have 50 "intelligence" people investigate this
or 100? ... You surely embarrass yerself around here
everyday, Munch.

### Salty

You're starting to remind me of the Robert Downey character in Tropic Thunder , mate.

A little to fucking cheesy...

But humorous from time to time.

So you think this Epos is a government plant?

Please provide us with your evidence...we'll be waiting down the yellow brick road.

[Salty Again]

... You liberal lads make me laugh once again!

As I previously asked Skep and some o' you other lads to do
- read the reports from Revolver news - and you'll surely
get the full story.

Funny that Skeps first post - a lot of paragraphs there that
LEAVE OUT the simple FACT that Ray Epps was on the FBI
Most Wanted List just months before the Capitol protest!

WHY was that fact not mentioned??

His name was removed right before January.
Just a coincidence?? ... Must be. The Biden admininstration
and FBI/DOJ would never lie to the American people. ...

So the FBI/DOJ claims Ray Epps was NOT working for the them
during the protest? ... Wasn't arrested like the others were.
Just another coincidence.

Was surely willing to give YOU a fair chance here, Munch.
Even though me conservative mates here were laughing at me
for wasting me time doing so. ... They know you're a lost cause.

And you're stuck now having to push the administration's lies
as the Biden ship has SUNK.

Slither-back under another rock, Munch. ... Your credibility's gone.

### Salty

[bb1961]

Munchy you live in a cave...everywhere you look the "russian hoax" is in under investigation with email subpoenas requested from Durham...don't play stupid. You're either to dense or stupid...most likely both. The cunter laptop has also been proven to be REAL, just as the New York Post story about it was covered up before the election.
Here's one of each I can post dozens more since you can't find them...they aren't hard to find.

https://ifapray.org/blog/durham-issu...investigation/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdGL5Hya4d0

Since then the NewYorkCrimes has come out and admitted that the "russian hoax" and the cunter laptop being "russian disinformation" are no conspiracies, but munchy or whatever name you call yourself just can't admit it just as are you too shameless to admit the nut and chief is the WORST excuse for a "leader" in US history.
Here's a couple I can post dozens more if you like...since you don't have the know how.
You piss down too many peoples necks and tell them it's raining!!

https://consortiumnews.com/2021/11/0...tion-research/

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...ata%20Security.

Liberalism is a gutless chose that you have chosen. All you can do is play stupid as to the facts of the failures of the libtard ideology that is on full display and the destruction it has done and is continuing to do to this country....come November you and your bunch will rightfully get you asses handed to you because the people of the county are sick and tired of the pious attitude of the left living in the protected insulated bubble of Gumment and their disconnect from the average working Americans that make this country great, NOT THE FUCKING GUMMENT as the left would lead you to believe.

I love your sickening self-righteous indignation and your lame ass condescension of others it's straight from the libtard play book. That's the make-up of one sorry individual.

I still waiting on you or any other libtard to point to ANY accomplishments of the nut and chief...it ain't going to happen. Everything the senile old goat and his radical leftwing minions have done is a complete disaster. He and the left are a shameless bunch. Tribalism and idiolatry first...fuck what's best for the country and the people who live in it.

[VitaMan]

Salty sees dead people.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by VitaMan

Salty sees dead people.

They sure af can't see context!

[The_Waco_Kid]

Originally Posted by VitaMan

Are you suggesting to use bitchute and thegatewaypundit as sources for your information ?


Those are the primary sources of the right leaners on here.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/new-york-times


New York Times (News)

News Media





AllSides Media Bias Rating: Lean Left

Originally Posted by VitaMan

Ray Epps was always a made up conspiracy story. Getting pretty ridiculous. Trumpites never want to take responsibility and admit what they have done.

how naive you and the rest of the goobers suffering from TDS are. first you without question believe a left leaning (far left actually) news site known to slant their articles into misleading and often false propaganda. and if that isn't stupid enough you take a phone interview not under oath as settling the matter just because Epps claimed to the FBI he wasn't working for the FBI or some other government agency.


BAAHHHAAHHAAAAAAAA


you don't need to be a fed to be working for the fed. they are called informants. cops use them all the time. are they cops? of course not.


the fact that Epps is an agitator is just that, fact. the question is who is he an agitator for? just because he tells the FBI not under oath does not clear him of being an agitator for some government entity. .


in fact it makes it more suspicious given how the Government has treated others that day. people who were merely at the capitol that day or at the rally without any evidence they entered the building were arrested. people who traveled to and from the capitol that day were suspected.

Originally Posted by WTF

They sure af can't see context!

speaking of context ..


Exclusive: FBI finds scant evidence U.S. Capitol attack was coordinated - sources

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exc...es-2021-08-20/


Stop Calling Jan. 6 an ‘Insurrection’

That’s a legal term that denotes much more than a sporadically violent riot or disturbance.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/stop-ca...nt-11641417543


so professor poofter are ya gonna keep calling Jan 6th an insurrection?


BAAHHAHAAAAAAAA