Go Legit

[strawberrycar934]

So I assume that everyone on this board, would favor the hobby going legit. That is Larry would sanction it. Is there any disagreement?

How do would the business look? Or how should it look?

[spacejanitor]

I think it would be smart business to go legit. For one thing, the local popo would stop harassing everyone, and the local governments would LOVE it because it is a SIN tax and they can tax the crap out of it!!.

Being legit, means no harassment, no worry about legalities, etc. I think it should be then that the gals and guys carry cards showing that they are clean, that way no one has to worry all that much, hell that's another tax right there...just saying, that if you appeal to the governments basic need for greed, you will find it on the tax rolls....just look at alcohol prohibition.

[Guest121212]

I'm for decriminalization but not in favor of anything else (regulation, etc.). The last thing I want is OSHA telling me I can't touch someone without gloves or swallow cum (which I adore), because of their risk profile not matching my own risk assessment. Nor do I want an equal protection suit because I choose to refuse service to one person but am willing to see another.

From experience working in legal brothels in Nevada, this endeavor is almost impossible to regulate effectively - and anything other than decriminalization will, IMHO, actually increase one's exposure exponentially for both fines, jail time and civil litigation.

This is a huge topic on other boards and I remember a thread in National - there is a lot of good info out there on this topic - but, it is always a good discussion and usually some of the more lively responses come from threads like this in smaller market sections of many boards.

I'll be interested to see the replies to this one and see how far people have really thought the ramifications of legalization through.

Kisses,

- Jackie

[Bigh1955]

Not to poke at anyone's thoughts on this...decriminalizing the hobby without regulation isn't going to happen because of the potential lost revenue and health issues. The public (assuming they went for it in the first place which is HIGHLY unlikely) would insist on regulation and taxation...which means it will be more expensive...and probably a lot less fun...I can just image the lists posted on the walls...activites and positions allowed...
"Hey Jackie!" (Just calling you Darlin'..not yelling) You've worked the legal places in NV, right? Which do you prefer?
I vote "NO" to decriminalization

[Guest121212]

Originally Posted by Bigh1955

Not to poke at anyone's thoughts on this...decriminalizing the hobby without regulation isn't going to happen because of the potential lost revenue and health issues. The public (assuming they went for it in the first place which is HIGHLY unlikely) would insist on regulation and taxation...which means it will be more expensive...and probably a lot less fun...I can just image the lists posted on the walls...activites and positions allowed...
"Hey Jackie!" (Just calling you Darlin'..not yelling) You've worked the legal places in NV, right? Which do you prefer?
I vote "NO" to decriminalization

I prefer working for myself outside of the confines of the limitations and regulations of any legal brothel. However, I bought my last new car (paid in full, with cash) working one week in Pahrump. A brothel has its advantages for the right lady. I'm lucky enough to be able to work both sides (legally in Nevada and independently elsewhere) while most all others are excluded.

Kisses,

- Jackie

[guest101013-2]

Totally pro making it legal. Brings the quality standards up and the prices down. Have been in many different countries where it is legal or tolerated and the competition is fierce to get the trick's cash. Think about it, your smok'n hot neighbor knows she can legally make a grand sucking dick in a relatively short time with a part time job. Believe you would be surprised on how many women would jump at that chance. Hundreds of times I've met professional gals (doctors, lawyers, business owners) who use hooking to supplement their income. Above all, some of these super hot professional women tell me that they just like to fuck and the big money they make is just pure icing on the cake. I've escaped death a few times outside a FKK Club while nearly being hit by Porsches, Lambos and Ferrari's that the providers who are late to work drive.

[Bigh1955]

Okay, maybe my perception of decriminalized/sanctioned p4p is off. I envision this type of play only being permitted in regulated establishments...like in NV. I don't see outcall as an option in this scenario, mainly due to the lack of required regulatory oversight. I also can't imagine that "competition" will drive the prices down. If you look at the airline industry, the exact opposite happened. Prices were higher while regulated. If prostitution became a regulated business we (the hobbyists) would have to bear the expense of regulation. I don't see the gals being willing to earn less per BJ than they currently can expect under the "pay for time" rules, so let's add on the costs of regulators, managers, taxes, doctors, medical exams, accountants, and attormeys...OMG attorneys! I do agree with Nash, legitimacy would open the door to a lot of women who would not otherwise step into this profession and this would likely improve the average quality of the provider force. I don't think the increased cost would offset the increased quality; we already have a pretty amazing "quality standard" on average; and more importantly we have the right cast our line in whatever "quality pool" we choose. I doubt that choice would be preserved for very long in a regulated environment. Capitalism always trumps socialism until some poor schlep convinces his neighbor that it's best to let someone else worry about taking care of business. ijs

It's time to get ready to go to church...I hope the sermon today is about how Jesus saved the hooker from the angry mob, who were ready to stone her because she argued against "regulation."

[guest101013-2]

4% of tax returns filed in Germany list prostitution as a source of income. The Omaha area has approximately 1 million of population. Figure at a minimum 25% of the people work and are female. That would mean approximately 10,000 prostitutes in our area. My numbers are all approximate, I'm just trying to get a figure out there. Even if the figure is 5,000, 10,000 or 20,000, the number is staggering especially when you look at it through the eyes of an American who has been brainwashed by the media, etc. that prostitution is bad. If 10,000 women start selling their ass here in Omaha, I guarantee that you'll be getting blown by that hot lady down the street for approximately $50 or someone just like her. Additionally, the STD rates have dropped significantly since legalization back in the 90's.

[Guest121212]

Nash, your numbers are laughably inflated, but I get your point . . . and given the prevailing moral attitude, IMHO, if Nebraska decriminalized prostitution tomorrow, at most you're looking at about 1,500 or 2000 additional ladies that would come into the business - and most all of them on an extremely part-time basis. The business isn't for everyone - most can't handle it. That 4% number in Germany is due to social acceptance (which would likely take four or five full generations here to get us to even approach the same level if the law changed tomorrow). Regulation won't work in the US because of the politics involved. Just look at what OSHA is doing in California to the adult film industry. Soon, the industry will be forced BACK underground again, or it will have to move offshore . . . CalOSHA wants to say that you can't even open mouth kiss on film. Do you want them regulating a brothel? BTW, CalOSHA is causing huge issues for the "legit" film industry in their over-regulating the adult industry. There's a new movie coming out where Nicole Kidman actually urinates on the face and upper torso of a man stung by a jellyfish . . . She really does it. I can't wait to see it. Want to guess where that scene wasn't filmed? It wasn't in the US!! Do you think the film can be legally shown in theaters? Well, our government isn't sure. It is slated to open October 5th in limited release, and it may be pulled from distribution as too many theater owners fear prosecution.

The bureaucrats that would end up having quasi-legislative oversight of prostitution if it were to be regulated in the US would make so many rules (accompanied by high fines and/or jail time to comply with the various employment / work safety statutes already in place) that a legal visit in a brothel would be reduced to you viewing my ankles while masturbating into a condom behind a one way mirror so the I didn't have to see you. It works in other countries Nash because their governments are willing to allow sex workers to do things we could never do under regulation here in the US - like refuse service to a client (there's that equal protection clause coming into play again), or to EVER legally give a BBBJ. There's no manner in which it can be effectively regulated in the US as most of our laws and regulations have evolved within a system where it has been illegal. As I mentioned, it isn't regulated well now in Nevada. In fact, Nevada has ALWAYS been a few hundred signatures or a lawsuit away from being forced to close. Politics keep it open and keeps most regulation enforcement from the Federal level away (that, plus "State's rights" lawsuits). There is litigation on its way to the US Supreme Court over an Asian gentleman that couldn't get laid at the Bunny Ranch because he was Asian (and they told him so). The next few years are going to bring a lot of change to the legalized, regulated ranches (brothels) in the US, and none of it will be of any good for the business. Do you realize that there is a draft statute being considered that would put a camera in every room of a legal brothel to ensure that the lady doesn't offer any service that isn't State of Nevada approved?? I'll give you one guess who that law really "protects" if it ever goes into effect under the guise of health safety. And, it may actually pass! They are being FORCED by the Feds to give proof that the lady remains safe at all times, - again, by OSHA.

ALL legal brothels impose some extraordinary restrictions on commercial sex workers in order to separate sex workers from the local community - Some places forbid prostitutes to leave the brothels for extended periods of time, while other jurisdictions require the prostitutes to leave the county when they are not working; some places do not allow the children of the women who work in the brothels to live in the same area; some brothel workers who have cars must register the vehicle with the local police, and workers are not permitted to leave the brothel after 5pm; in some counties registered sex workers are not allowed to have cars at all. If the Nevada model (which will be the gold standard) is used, do you think most women will submit themselves to such working conditions and exclusions?

THIS IS WHY there is HUGE turn-over in Nevada and why many ladies don't make it past their first entry, or come back after their first release. I have debated if I will ever go back . . .

Many brothel owners are worse than any pimp. They abuse and imprison women and are fully protected by the state and many brothels employ outside pimps. Pimps that will do what the brothel owner and staff cannot.

No sex worker in Germany, Canada etc., would DREAM of working under those conditions, they would be appalled and would revolt (violently).

You think you want legalized prostitution in the US, you don't - because if you get it, the Nevada model will be used and then the only prostitute you are going to want to see because of regulation is the one working (still) illegally.

Decriminalization is the only thing that will work.

Decriminalization, however, has its own pitfalls and dangers. Many of which are severe for abused women.

- Jackie

[jjchmiel78]

Oh gee Jackie, you make the US seem like the worst place on the planet. Why do any of us still live here? Lets try to spin this then. What would be your ideal proposal to lawmakers to legalize it? The proposal should have an age restrictions whether 18 as a legal adult, 21 legal drinking age, etc
Some way to collect taxes and some sort of health concerns addressed. Afterall no change occurs unless if all we do is complain how it is or might be like.

[burkalini]

I personally think it ought to be a 21 min age. That way if their underage(18-20) then all it is a fine and not 20 years in the slammer.

[Marcus Aurelius]

It just seems odd that women have the right to do everything with their body except this profession.
And even the feminists think the same.

But what has happened to the hobby in London after it became legal or in Canada for that matter?

Did the quality go up and the prices go down?

I have friends that said they saw street walkers in Canada which I believe is still illegal.
So they are labeled as not being able to pass the medical exams and or drug tests.

[Guest121212]

Originally Posted by jjchmiel78

Oh gee Jackie, you make the US seem like the worst place on the planet. Why do any of us still live here? Lets try to spin this then. What would be your ideal proposal to lawmakers to legalize it? The proposal should have an age restrictions whether 18 as a legal adult, 21 legal drinking age, etc
Some way to collect taxes and some sort of health concerns addressed. Afterall no change occurs unless if all we do is complain how it is or might be like.

I don't have any ideas to legalize it; none. I only support efforts to decriminalize it. Decriminalization is easy. But, decriminalization doesn't equal taxation or addressing health concerns, etc. - Legalization and decriminalization: huge difference between the two, and a concept apparently completely lost on you and maybe a few others.

Decriminalization is the abolition of criminal penalties in relation to certain acts, perhaps retroactively, although regulated permits or fines may still apply. Regulated permits, I do not believe, are possible in this industry - as they don't even work in Nevada.

Decriminalization reflects changing social and moral views. A society may come to the view that an act is not harmful, should no longer be criminalized, or is otherwise not a matter to be addressed by the criminal justice system. Examples of subject matter which have been the subject of changing views on criminality over time in various societies and countries include abortion, breastfeeding in public, drug possession, recreational drug use, euthanasia, homosexuality, polygamy, prostitution, public nudity, steroid use in sports, etc.

While decriminalized acts are no longer crimes carrying a penalty of INCARCERATION, they may still be the subject of other penalties; for example a monetary fine in place of a criminal charge for the possession of a decriminalized drug.

This is much different than legalization, which removes all or most legal detriments from a previously illegal act. Legalization, however, subjects one to regulation.

There is no manner in which current statute and precedent could allow for the legalization of prostitution anywhere but in Nevada, where they have effectively asserted State's rights to prevent the Federal government from interference. Without a complete overhaul of worker safety regulations and the forfeiture of significant Federal grant money in those States that would choose to legalize prostitution, it isn't going to happen. The Feds tie highway funds, money for education, vast sums of cash is tied to all kinds of things - like the Federal government controlling the maximum speed limit on our country's highways (just ask Montana) and the Federal government establishing standards for school lunches - and yes, even the Federal government including wording in accepting grant monies disseminated to States that prostitution remain illegal in that jurisdiction. There are huge lists of points States agree to in taking federal money - things they are prohibited from doing or they lose that cash. Not many can afford to lose it! That is how the mandatory drinking age was (re)established in the 80's, if you remember correctly . . . just ask Louisiana how much money they lost for their highways with their weird drinking age (21, but 18-20 accompanied by an adult in a bar). They've lost millions. Same with Wisconsin.

Why don't I move? Because I love the USA! I may not like this one thing about it - but there are many things I don't care for about the USA. No where is perfect! However, as a whole, I can take a hell of a lot more than I would ever want to leave, about the US. You obviously don't understand the effects of legalization, as you will never legally enjoy a fraction of those services you currently enjoy participating in now . . . you cannot legally get a BBBJ at a brothel in Nevada, cum on anything is prohibited, DFK is discouraged, DATY is technically to be performed with a dental damn in place. FIV is technically to be gloved.

They don't do it that way, but that is the statute - anything else is illegal. Nevada chooses to decriminalize these violations that occur - even within "legal" brothels.

I don't really believe most people understand the ramifications of asking for legalization. To get what you get now, after legalization, the fines and penalties will be elevated to felonies, and the risk will increase 100 fold. The act they tax won't be worth having (what you're left with, legally).

All of this is moot in any event - there's no way that prostitution will be legalized in the US within any of our lifetimes, certain States may choose to decriminalize it - even certain municipalities have discussed the option, but even that is along shot IMO . . . but legalization can't exist if you want the experience you have now to be the experience you have after legalization.

- Jackie

[Blaze]

There are pros and cons to everything. Even Australia is divided on the issue. Interesting articles,

http://communities.washingtontimes.c...acts-traffick/

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news...-1226408035711

In Canada you have,
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/...ws-monday.html


In my opinion, regulation will just breed more problems and the sex worker looses out the most. I am definitely down with decriminalization though. To me those who partake in trafficking are lowliest of the low and there is a special place for them in hell if there is a hell. On the flip side, what about us that want to do, what we do, without force? Being cautious having medical checks, trying to be as safe as we humanly can, making this a career vs one month being desperate on the streets, what about us? Why is it acceptable to tell me what to do with my vagina if it is free and clear of disease? Why can anyone else have any business, but I can't? Why Why Why?

It is seldom we are given the opportunity to hear about those that are successful in this industry. Still yet it is a *dirty* thing even though so many partake in it! I suppose if "we" in the industry had more of a public voice, it would give those to slam us less credibility.

[jjchmiel78]

"a concept apparently completely lost on you and maybe a few others."

No need to get snippy! I didn't ask you about decriminalization. I understand that concept perfectly and you made your position on it abundantly clear in the earlier posts. I asked you what would be "your" ideal rules to make it legal. Your answer of none answers that question. Simple as that.