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Old 11-12-2012, 02:25 AM   #1
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Default America Has Become An Old World Country

The Gordon Brown vision of government as omnipotent benefactor is now the model in the US


Ninety-three per cent of black voters backed Barack Obama, as did 71 per cent of Latino voters and 73 per cent of Asian ones


By Janet Daley

So Europe got the American president it wanted – the one who would present no threat to its own delusions. The United States is now officially one of us: an Old World country complete with class hatred, ethnic Balkanisation, bourgeois guilt and a paternalist ruling elite. And it is locked into the same death spiral of high public spending and self-defeating wealth redistribution as we are. Welcome to the future, and the beginning of what may turn out to be the terminal decline of the West.

It has become clear why it was so easy to misjudge the significance of the apparently lacklustre Obama campaign – the drastically reduced crowds at his events; his underwhelming, peevish performances in the debates, and his failure to produce any substantive plan for a second term – as signs of how the election would go. Mitt Romney may have pulled far larger and more enthusiastic audiences for his stump speeches but this contest was not, in the end, going to be about speeches or arguments. The reason that so many of those who would vote for the incumbent president did not bother to turn out to see him as he toured the country was that they were largely untouched by the campaign: their voting allegiance was always a certainty. It was not about political ideas at all. It was about identity: about who and what you were in the most visceral and personal sense – about race, about class, about being the kind of person you believed it was necessary to be.

The saddest development is the one that is most counter-intuitive. Mr Obama – who famously ran in 2008 as the post-racial candidate – has polarised the nation racially in a way that it has not been for half a century, reversing what had been the progressive trend toward real social integration and colour blindness in American political life. Ninety-three per cent of black voters – 93 per cent – voted for Obama in this election, as did 71 per cent of Latino voters and 73 per cent of Asian ones. But if non-white ethnic groups are choosing to segregate themselves electorally – quite often with little regard for their actual economic or social interests – white voters are not. Only 59 per cent of them supported Romney: a majority but not an overwhelming one. Some of this was down to the class war issue: blue collar voters were encouraged to see Romney as a rapacious capitalist who would destroy people’s livelihoods if the balance sheet dictated it.

But that was an unfortunate consequence of this particular candidate’s credentials. There is a more historically significant, and possibly more permanent, development too. The United States has now acquired an electorally powerful liberal bourgeoisie who are convinced, as their European counterparts have been for several generations, in spite of all evidence to the contrary, that public spending is inherently virtuous, that poverty can be cured by penalising wealth creation, and that government intervention can engineer social “fairness”. But just when some of Europe’s political class has begun to appreciate the dangers of this philosophy – that taken to its logical conclusion, it leads to economic stagnation and social division – America seems to have decided that it is the quintessence of enlightened sophistication.

This is precisely the model – the Gordon Brown vision of government as omnipotent benefactor and purveyor of “social justice” – from which we in Britain are attempting to escape, and in which the EU is still hopelessly trapped. But it should run deeply against all the traditional American values of ferocious self-reliance and personal aspiration. How does the resentment of the rich, which Obama’s campaign fostered so successfully, sit with the old American dream that the United States was a place where anybody who had talent and worked hard could become rich – even if he had arrived as a penniless immigrant? The idea of “the rich” as an unreachable and undeserving class apart is an Old World concept rooted in the landed, hereditary wealth of an established aristocracy. Almost all wealth in America was, traditionally, self-made.
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Yep the democrats represent all Americans not only the select...
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Spot on, SEE. Thanks for the post. I wish is wasn't that way.
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Despite the Gordon Brown march-to-government-dependency legacy; England is addressing the problems Brown has caused, more so than America and it's Obama problem.

http://charlesrowley.wordpress.com/2...browns-legacy/

The central bank of England is being much more responsible than our own FR.
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Despite the Gordon Brown march-to-government-dependency legacy; England is addressing the problems Brown has caused, more so than America and it's Obama problem.

http://charlesrowley.wordpress.com/2...browns-legacy/

The central bank of England is being much more responsible than our own FR.

On the Road to Serfdom you take 3 steps forward for every one step backwards.....
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:26 PM   #6
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Spot on, SEE. Thanks for the post. I wish is wasn't that way.

It isn't only wishful thinking of the wing nuts and a crazy lady in England...
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:40 PM   #7
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:57 PM   #8
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Despite the Gordon Brown march-to-government-dependency legacy; England is addressing the problems Brown has caused, more so than America and it's Obama problem.

http://charlesrowley.wordpress.com/2...browns-legacy/

The central bank of England is being much more responsible than our own FR.
That article is nearly two years old, and its predictions about QE and interests rates have not been realised.
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Bur little facts like that can't stand in the way of pure TeaBag blather...
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