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Old 12-31-2021, 09:16 AM   #1
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Judge refuses to dismiss indictment against alleged Proud Boys leaders
The Associated Press December 29, 20213:45 AM ET




Proud Boys walk toward the U.S. Capitol in Washington in support of President Donald Trump on Jan. 6, 2021. A federal judge has refused to dismiss an indictment charging four alleged leaders of the group with conspiring to attack the Capitol.
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A federal judge refused to dismiss an indictment charging four alleged leaders of the far-right Proud Boys with conspiring to attack the U.S. Capitol to stop Congress from certifying President Joe Biden's electoral victory.

U.S. District Judge Timothy Kelly on Tuesday rejected defense attorneys' arguments that the four men — Ethan Nordean, Joseph Biggs, Zachary Rehl and Charles Donohoe — are charged with conduct that is protected by the First Amendment right to free speech.

Kelly said the defendants had many nonviolent ways to express their opinions about the 2020 presidential election.

"Defendants are not, as they argue, charged with anything like burning flags, wearing black armbands, or participating in mere sit-ins or protests," Kelly wrote in his 43-page ruling. "Moreover, even if the charged conduct had some expressive aspect, it lost whatever First Amendment protection it may have had."

Nordean, Biggs, Rehl and Donohoe were indicted in March on charges including conspiracy and obstructing an official proceeding. All four of them remain jailed while they await a trial scheduled for

Defense lawyers also argued that the obstruction charge doesn't apply to their clients' cases because Congress' certification of the Electoral College vote was not an "official proceeding." Kelly disagreed.

Earlier this month, another judge in the District of Columbia's federal court upheld prosecutors' use of the same obstruction charge in a separate case against two riot defendants.

The case against Nordean, Biggs, Rehl and Donohoe is a focus of the Justice Department's sprawling investigation of the Jan. 6 insurrection. More than three dozen people charged in the Capitol siege have been identified by federal authorities as Proud Boys leaders, members or associates, including at least 16 defendants charged with conspiracy.

Last Wednesday, a New York man pleaded guilty to storming the U.S. Capitol with fellow Proud Boys members. Matthew Greene is the first Proud Boys member to publicly plead guilty to conspiring with other members to stop Congress from certifying the Electoral College vote. He agreed to cooperate with authorities.

Other extremist group members have been charged with conspiring to carry out coordinated attacks on the Capitol, including more than 20 people linked to the antigovernment Oath Keepers.

Nordean, of Auburn, Washington, was a Proud Boys chapter president and member of the group's national "Elders Council." Biggs, of Ormond Beach, Florida, is a self-described Proud Boys organizer. Rehl was president of the Proud Boys chapter in Philadelphia. Donohoe, of Kernersville, North Carolina, also served as president of his local chapter, according to the indictment.

Lawyers for the four men declined to comment on Tuesday's ruling.

On the morning of Jan. 6, Proud Boys members met at the Washington Monument and marched to the Capitol before President Donald Trump finished addressing thousands of supporters near the White House.

Just before Congress convened a joint session to certify the election results, a group of Proud Boys followed a crowd of people who breached barriers at a pedestrian entrance to the Capitol grounds, the indictment says. Several Proud Boys also entered the Capitol building itself after the mob smashed windows and forced open doors.

More than 700 people have been charged with federal crimes related to the Capitol riot. At least 165 of them have pleaded guilty, mostly to misdemeanor offenses punishable by a maximum of six months' imprisonment.
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Dumb Boys, that's what they get for rimming Trump. Stupid fucks.
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Old 12-31-2021, 11:36 AM   #3
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Trump should be paying their legal fees. He is rich and all and they were just being his supporters to the end.
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Old 12-31-2021, 11:45 AM   #4
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... Trump?? ... The White House should be paying their bail.

Same way your Vice President Kamala was payin' last year
when the Antifa goons were burning police houses and
destroying store fronts. ... How many people were KILLED
in those riots, again?

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Why were they there # Salty

?

Who called them to DC?

Shirley not Hedley Lamar!
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Old 12-31-2021, 12:04 PM   #6
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... Trump?? ...

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YR seems to believe that the judge's decision means conviction.

He even began a thread on it in an attempt to elevate its value.

He's apparently adopted WTFDoIKnow's Bible on criminal law:

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Old 12-31-2021, 12:13 PM   #7
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YR seems to believe that the judge's decision means conviction.

He even began a thread on it in an attempt to elevate its value.

He's apparently adopted WTFDoIKnow's Bible on criminal law:

That's all you got? Not going to bother to defend the Proud Boy?

You Trumpists slay me. You literally despise most other Republicans, including the late Bob Dole, Romney, The Bushes, McConnel, McCain.. And your own Vice President.. ''Hang Mike Pence''!

McCarthy had to fly to Mar a Lago to give Trump a mea culpa Blow Job, or he'd be on that hate list.
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Old 12-31-2021, 12:17 PM   #8
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huh eh'?
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Old 12-31-2021, 12:42 PM   #9
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That's all you got?
They are innocent. What more does one "got"?

Chungie, quit being your typical engrained RACIST. It's unfashionable these days, even if you voted for two of them to occupy the White House on the taxpayers' tit.

I won't further embarass you by inquiring how you happen to know ...

what I might "despise" when you bloviated .... the ignorantly stupid quote:

"You literally despise..."

Just to make sure it's posted below your bullshit ...

... I don't use the Sports Illustrated to decide criminal cases nor have I ever said that predicting the outcome of a criminal trial is the same as predicting the outcome of a football game.

Until now I've thought you weren't that dumb. You're convincing me you are that dumb.
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Old 12-31-2021, 12:45 PM   #10
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sounds like the judge wants to hear the merits of this particular case.
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huh eh'?
Chungie's just jealous of anyone getting to suck Trump's dick.

There are some other jealous folks on here who trash people who voted for Trump ... or who they "THINK" voted for Trump.

But what would you expect from someone who voted for Bitten!!!!

Or was it Kumola for whom he voted?
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sounds like the judge wants to hear the merits of this particular case.
.. that's what judge's are supposed to do ...

... unless they are handpicked by the SocialistCommunistDNC.
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Chungie, quit being your typical engrained RACIST. It's unfashionable these days, even if you voted for two of them to occupy the White House on the taxpayers' tit.
How do you arrive that I'm Racist?

Because I reject the Proud Boys??
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Old 12-31-2021, 01:12 PM   #14
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How do you arrive that I'm Racist?
The same way I've determined that Bitten & Kumola are RACISTS!

With respect to you I just read your posts.

Did you vote for Bitten or Kumola or BOTH OF THEM?
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The same way I've determined that Bitten & Kumola are RACISTS!

With respect to you I just read your posts.

Did you vote for Bitten or Kumola or BOTH OF THEM?
I expected a serious answer. I won't dignify this with a further response.
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