Cartagena, Escort Getting Ripped Off, El President, Just Saying...

[Leah Ireland]

I haven't visited this site for a while and did so today because I thought it would be busy with discussion about the Presidential security who ripped off escorts in Cartagena and are losing their jobs as a result.

Such a silence here and I though I was going to be so amused.

Well I'm glad of the message that this event shows - Don't rip off an escort. It appears that the national blacklist etc aren't as bad as it can get.

I hope this serves as a good lesson to men who think it's cool to rip off escorts - and to escorts, get your money first.

[John Bull]

Do you think there could also be a lesson as to be careful of SW's who get a whiff of money and try to jump the price after the fact - with a little crooked police help? Just saying!

[Leah Ireland]

Originally Posted by John Bull

Do you think there could also be a lesson as to be careful of SW's who get a whiff of money and try to jump the price after the fact - with a little crooked police help? Just saying!

No I don't, particularly in this case.

Interesting that you choose the viewpoint that you do. That takes some gymnastics from where I'm standing.

[Exotic Beauty]

Originally Posted by Leah Ireland

I haven't visited this site for a while and did so today because I thought it would be busy with discussion about the Presidential security who ripped off escorts in Cartagena and are losing their jobs as a result.

Such a silence here and I though I was going to be so amused.

Well I'm glad of the message that this event shows - Don't rip off an escort. It appears that the national blacklist etc aren't as bad as it can get.

I hope this serves as a good lesson to men who think it's cool to rip off escorts - and to escorts, get your money first.

I was wondering about the same thing as well.I saw it on tv but I am a little behind on any news or updates yet but yes I do agree about the "Rip off" part! Get your money up front has always been the wise thing to do and as a result of not doing so several things happen.If there are any links or updates now feel free to share.I have not been online or near tv much for about a week so the extra info on links and comments is much appreciatted.....Have a good Sat

[stannmannn]

Ummm....be aware in some of these other countries...they think all Americans are wealthy (probably do it to other foreigners too) and will 'inflate the original agreed upon price' after the fact (happened to me in Spain). 'It appears in this case' the agent was trying to rip the gal off, but they're the only ones that know for sure (if the agent and the gal were drinking who all really knows what transpired, but them?).

[Chica Chaser]

There are a few different discussions on this topic going on in the Sandbox, Leah

[woodyboyd]

One of the things that really bugged me about the old HDH board on ASPD was how totally delusional the participants were. If you asked most of the participants if they were law abiding citizens, most of the men and women would have said yes. If you followed it up with the question "is prostitution a crime?", they would probably say yes too. And if you asked "well, how come you can claim to be law abiding when you are seeing or earning a living as a prostitute?", I would imagine they would point to worse crimes "Well, I am not a rapist, murderer ETC".

What really bothered me about this is that there was no one advocating for holding the government's feet to the fire. In the past, the government had to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt, but it doesn't now. Just the government's accusation of one's guilt is enough to convince most you are a law breaker, and a new law was passed where the government can hold people indefinitely.

Government arrogance then has gotten to the point where I know cops who routinely drive 100+ mph off duty, fake injuries to get workman's comp checks, a police chief who won't hire a female officer unless he gets a BBBJ, and that is just at the local level. It's gotten to the point where I don't want to know how corrupt our governments are especially higher up.

Basically, people have decided that they don't want to get "in trouble" with the government. There are no longer public servants. There are government servants, and if you as a citizen don't serve your government, you are a terrorist. It's a privilege for the citizens here to pay for government workers and their Cadillac health care plans while not being able to afford their own.

Partisanship is the excuse for all government evil. If you are a Republican, all government evil is due to the Dems and vice versa.

... but that is here.

One of my SBs is from South America, and she was shocked at the police here. She said, "In my country, the police help you. Here they try to hurt you." How many encounters with the police have you had that have been positive versus negative?

Government workers smoking Cuban stogies, snorting cocaine, and chasing hookers in Colombia is pretty much what I expected.

What got me about the SS agents was their delusion and arrogance. These secret service agents were bragging to these women about what hot shots they were, proclaiming, "I work alongside President Obama." Really? You fucking think that a Colombian hooker gives a shit about that over what is in your wallet?

With two exceptions, the setup in the South American brothels that I had been to were all the same. You buy the lady a drink and take her back to your hotel for a fee. Two clubs had on sight facilities. The ladies always ask for drinks, and they are MUCH higher than the ones you order. But anyone with an ounce of common sense should expect that, and you don't have to buy the women drinks to take her to your place. FWIW, I have never had a problem being overcharged at any of them.

I could just see these arrogant assholes ordering up drinks for the ladies by the dozen and getting hit with a big bill and then bitching up a storm saying, "Do you know who we are?", and the barkeeps saying "Yeah, you are all a bunch of cheap bastards and we are calling the cops."

And the cops come in and decide the SS agents were in fact cheap bastards and create an international incident by accusing them of just such behavior.

Then our state department uses our tax money in the form of foreign aid to pay for the silence of the police. Yeesh.

To me, it is just government arrogance at its worst. These SS agents tried to skate out on a bill. I have to wonder how many times they have pulled similar stunts in the states and gotten away with it.

[bladtinzu]

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

I could just see these arrogant assholes ordering up drinks for the ladies by the dozen and getting hit with a big bill and then bitching up a storm saying, "Do you know who we are?", and the barkeeps saying "Yeah, you are all a bunch of cheap bastards and we are calling the cops."

And the cops come in and decide the SS agents were in fact cheap bastards and create an international incident by accusing them of just such behavior.

Then our state department uses our tax money in the form of foreign aid to pay for the silence of the police. Yeesh.

To me, it is just government arrogance at its worst. These SS agents tried to skate out on a bill. I have to wonder how many times they have pulled similar stunts in the states and gotten away with it.

Well Secret Service agents don't make that much money in the first place. They start out at only $52,018 a year and that is pretty much in the poverty level.

But then again that is no reason to skip out on paying what you owe. But then again they have been around the head idiot obama so maybe that whole concept of "entitlement" stuck on them also.

[ForumPoster]

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

To me, it is just government arrogance at its worst. These SS agents tried to skate out on a bill. I have to wonder how many times they have pulled similar stunts in the states and gotten away with it.

21 guys don't decide out of a blue to head to bordello and hire escorts for 1st time in their life.

They obviously have been active hobbyists for a long time and i am pretty sure some members of that group have pulled this stunt in the past.

Difference, here all they have to do is flash their LE status and no sane hooker would ever pursue the matter further.

I am really curious to find out who paid their strip club tab.

Lina

[ForumPoster]

Originally Posted by bladtinzu

Well Secret Service agents don't make that much money in the first place. They start out at only $52,018 a year and that is pretty much in the poverty level.

But then again that is no reason to skip out on paying what you owe. But then again they have been around the head idiot obama so maybe that whole concept of "entitlement" stuck on them also.

People who are broke and can't afford to hire entertainment should not be doing so. It goes back to the self entitlement attitude that plunged USA into economic dissaray.

Just because someone WANTS the bigger house, better car, pretty girl, expensive drinks etc does not mean they should have it.

lina

[Jackie S]

Look, the guys contracted her for a sleep over with a set fee. They tried to weezle out the next morning.

Not only are they a disgrace to the Secret Service, they are a disgrace to the Hobby World.

[Gotyour6]

I guess some were under age as well.

So now we have a whole story and a reason to fund the cops in the states to go after back page.

This is just the start of the money that will be spent to help those poor providers and hang the SS. They should have paid the bill or jerled off. Now money will flow to stop this in the states.

[bladtinzu]

Originally Posted by Sensual Lina

People who are broke and can't afford to hire entertainment should not be doing so. It goes back to the self entitlement attitude that plunged USA into economic dissaray.

Just because someone WANTS the bigger house, better car, pretty girl, expensive drinks etc does not mean they should have it.

lina

I could not agree more. Some people just don't get it..

[Leah Ireland]

Originally Posted by Chica Chaser

There are a few different discussions on this topic going on in the Sandbox, Leah

What's the Sandbox?

[Leah Ireland]

Originally Posted by woodyboyd

One of the things that really bugged me about the old HDH board on ASPD was how totally delusional the participants were. If you asked most of the participants if they were law abiding citizens, most of the men and women would have said yes. If you followed it up with the question "is prostitution a crime?", they would probably say yes too. And if you asked "well, how come you can claim to be law abiding when you are seeing or earning a living as a prostitute?", I would imagine they would point to worse crimes "Well, I am not a rapist, murderer ETC".

What really bothered me about this is that there was no one advocating for holding the government's feet to the fire. In the past, the government had to prove its case beyond a reasonable doubt, but it doesn't now. Just the government's accusation of one's guilt is enough to convince most you are a law breaker, and a new law was passed where the government can hold people indefinitely.

Government arrogance then has gotten to the point where I know cops who routinely drive 100+ mph off duty, fake injuries to get workman's comp checks, a police chief who won't hire a female officer unless he gets a BBBJ, and that is just at the local level. It's gotten to the point where I don't want to know how corrupt our governments are especially higher up.

Basically, people have decided that they don't want to get "in trouble" with the government. There are no longer public servants. There are government servants, and if you as a citizen don't serve your government, you are a terrorist. It's a privilege for the citizens here to pay for government workers and their Cadillac health care plans while not being able to afford their own.

Partisanship is the excuse for all government evil. If you are a Republican, all government evil is due to the Dems and vice versa.

... but that is here.

One of my SBs is from South America, and she was shocked at the police here. She said, "In my country, the police help you. Here they try to hurt you." How many encounters with the police have you had that have been positive versus negative?

Government workers smoking Cuban stogies, snorting cocaine, and chasing hookers in Colombia is pretty much what I expected.

What got me about the SS agents was their delusion and arrogance. These secret service agents were bragging to these women about what hot shots they were, proclaiming, "I work alongside President Obama." Really? You fucking think that a Colombian hooker gives a shit about that over what is in your wallet?

With two exceptions, the setup in the South American brothels that I had been to were all the same. You buy the lady a drink and take her back to your hotel for a fee. Two clubs had on sight facilities. The ladies always ask for drinks, and they are MUCH higher than the ones you order. But anyone with an ounce of common sense should expect that, and you don't have to buy the women drinks to take her to your place. FWIW, I have never had a problem being overcharged at any of them.

I could just see these arrogant assholes ordering up drinks for the ladies by the dozen and getting hit with a big bill and then bitching up a storm saying, "Do you know who we are?", and the barkeeps saying "Yeah, you are all a bunch of cheap bastards and we are calling the cops."

And the cops come in and decide the SS agents were in fact cheap bastards and create an international incident by accusing them of just such behavior.

Then our state department uses our tax money in the form of foreign aid to pay for the silence of the police. Yeesh.

To me, it is just government arrogance at its worst. These SS agents tried to skate out on a bill. I have to wonder how many times they have pulled similar stunts in the states and gotten away with it.

He he, you're so right Woodyboyd.

I have never and would never trust anybody who takes orders. An easy way of clarification is just think of the holocaust. That's just one example of what taking orders can lead to.

PS - I just thought of one caveat; if workers in restaurants don't listen to and give me my orders as requested I get really pissed.