What If Trump Is Not Elected?

[ICU 812]

What If Trump is NOT Re-elected?

The 2020 election is a few short months away now. It looks like it could still go either way. Cogent arguments can be made for and against the various policy decisions, executive orders and so on; talk shows and media outlets have exhausted every wrinkle. In the "good old" days most of what we are now exposed to from all sources would have been called "Agit-Prop", or just propaganda.

We pretty much know where we are as a country and as a society now. It has been better in the recent past, in about every way, and could soon get better than it is now, but will it? Trump is a difficult man to deal with in every way. While I find many of his approaches to societal and economic issues attractive,(and I recognize that many do not) he is n ot a likeable guy in his public persona. It has been reported that his Secret Service code name is "Chaos".

And yet, if he is not re-elected, what will the country look like? Will we have wide-open borders and unlimited immigration of anybody from anywhere? Will the Nation's credit, already at risk, be finally and irrevocably ruined? Will any of the freedoms and protections of the Bill of Rights or the Constitution itself survive? I used to think we could weather any storm in those regards. As a nation, we have survived, essentially intact, through huge dislocations including a violent and bloody Civil War, many economic and financial collapses and two World Wars. The list of historic dislocations goes on and on. Through all rthat there has always been a nearly cyclic change of political authority fro liberal to conservstive, from Democrat to Republican from left to right or however else you wish to categorize it.

Yet, the rise of "Antifa", the so-called anti fanciest movement in parallel with the democratic socialists have become, in my view, a truly existential threat to the Nation. The liberal agenda has always championed issues such as free speech and the protection of civil liberties. In recent years free speech has been suppressed to the p;oint that no stand-up comedian will book a date at any university. Any attempt at humor is considered hate speech. Acedemic freedom is no longer a viable concept in Acedemia.

Just as severe an attack on the Bill of Rights has come in the name of gun control. Several states have changed their laws to restrict the purchase of firearms to persons twenty one years old or older. It can be argued that allowing a teenager to freely buy fire arms is a bad idea, and I might agree with it. . . .but they have not also raised the age of majority to twenty one. In effect, the legislature of several states have delayed a legal adult's access to a constitutionally guaranteed right. Why not make it illegal to purchase a firearm before the age of thirty-five or seventy? I recognize that it can be argued that private individuals should be prohibited from possessing firearms. There is a constitutional mechanism for making that so.

The WHO declared pandemic of 2020 has brought other challenges to the Constitution. Some have been upheld by the Supreme Court. Others have yet to be brought there to be addressed. I cannot fathom how or why it is constitutionally permissible for a local city council to forbid a family to assemble with other church goers for worship while remaining isolated in their family vehicle in an outdoor parking lot. Yet that has happened with enforcement coming in the form of tickets with significant fines and a police record. This, while any member of the public at large can walk in to a big box store on any day of the week unrestricted in any way, but small businesses must remain closed or face serious charges.

Strict lock-downs have been enforced, bordering on house arrest in some areas. Where some freedom of movement was allowed, the wearing of a face mask has been made obligatory. Legal consequences, confrontations or severe public shaming (bullying) have occurred for those who refuse to wear a face mask. The right to peacefully assemble and protest these sorts of restrictions have been condemed with people arrested. . . . except if the protest is organized by Antifa and is accompanied by violence, rioting and looting. Some folks try to separate the protest form the anarchy, and I get that. Yet the condemnation of assembling in a crowd with a non-uniform regard to distancing or mask wearing is in glaring contrast to the reaction to the protests against social restrictions, in Michigan for example.

Now Antifa has taken control of six square blocks of Seattle Washington that they call CHAZE, for Capitol Hill Autonimus Zone and declared it to be a country. They denounce any civil authority. It is an anarchist's free zone. The police are forbidden. They have set up barricades with armed security personnel. They demand, as a human right, that food, water and sanitation services be provided.

Waite! Whatever happened to the concepts of open borders, no immigraton restrictikons and the freedom of anarchy?

For as much as I dislike Donald Trump in his public persona and past demonstrations of integrity or character, I am trolley farad of what the Nation will become if he is not re-elected. My imagination runs wild with visions of Joe Biden as a puppet president with Pelosim Schumer, Schiff, Ocasio-Cortez and others calling the shots behind the scenes , or acting overtly with the freedom of tacit approval.

You can be concerned about the future of the Nation with Trump in office; you can dislike Trump with a passion; you can feel in your heart that Hillary Clinton was cheated in 2016; but if Trump is not re-elected, this country will cease to exist in any form envisioned by the men who wrote the Constitution.

[matchingmole]

"I am trolley farad"


R u a capacitor?


Trump is toast......get used to it.

[Jacuzzme]

It’s interesting that you actually believe that, when damn near 1/3 of democrats want a different nominee. This is HORRIBLE for Biden. Polls are meaningless, it’s enthusiasm that makes the difference while Biden has virtually none, Trump voters would crawl over broken glass to get to the polls. Biden’s only chance is that dems in congress push through vote by mail so they might cheat more than usual.

[playerplano]

Trump will probably win because the dems can’t field a good candidate. The skills to get elected are not the skills for a good president America is broken.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

What If Trump is NOT Re-elected?...

Let me 'spail it to you Lucy: You see, the Demonicrats and their media have redefined rioting, looting, pillaging, hurting people and destroying property as "peaceful protests", akin to the Boston Tea Party even. Recall the police are now known to either stand back from these new aged peaceful protests or join in with solidarity.

So ipso facto, the best/worse case scenario, depending on which lens you use to view peaceful protesting, is if Trump looses; his ardent, i.e, the heavily armed and generally pissed off (according to Michael Moore), supporters will just "peacefully protest". Simple as that. Just some peaceful protests. Yea, that's the ticket! Peaceful protests.

Considering what could arguably be called their best supporters who work and pay the taxes that pay them, I could imagine the Police joining in, in solidarity, to the peaceful protests.



So if everything the Left has claimed and told everyone this year is even remotely true:
The logical thing for them to do is vote for TRUMP - PENCE 2020.


What's the alternative Biden - Antifa 2020?!?

Orange Man Good

[matchingmole]

Originally Posted by playerplano

Trump will probably win because the dems can’t field a good candidate. The skills to get elected are not the skills for a good president America is broken.

Trump has no skills...except lying to and conning gullible Trumptards

[oeb11]

mm - I do hope u learn to think for Yourself rather than spouting DPST hate narrative.

[ICU 812]

Sorry if I misspelled something. There are mitigating factors.

For one thing, correct spelling has been a challenge for me since the first grade. I am just not gifted with that talent. A second factor is that I am a horrible typist, often hitting more than one key with each well meant key stroke. On top of all that, I am legally blind. Often the little squiggly underlining for the spell check function goes overlooked. Given that spell check is not infallible, please recollect the first issue.

This often does leave me open to reticule and mockery. Oh well "Sticks and Stones" as they say . . .

The semantic content of the OP is heartfelt and meant to be politically neutral. I know it can't be but I tried to keep it non hysterical, white knickle or knee-jerk. I am sure I failed there.

[oeb11]

Thanks for a good read - OP
No apologies needed.

[friendly fred]

If Trump loses, which is unfortunately likely, America will keep on becoming a more fucked up society than it already is.

The motherfuckers who feel like the darker the skin color the more worthy the person have destroyed American civil society. We all hate each other depending on which side of the race issue you are in agreement with these days.

If you do not hate whitey, you are an immoral degenerate in their liberal eyes.

[Why_Yes_I_Do]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

Sorry if I misspelled something. There are mitigating factors...

Thought it was pretty good and glossed over typos. I hope people evaluate the data at hand before they vote instead of voting like they are told or programed to do. Pardon my doubts about us having an uninformed and thinking electorate. So yea, survival of the species is at stake.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Why_Yes_I_Do

I hope people evaluate the data at hand before they vote instead of voting like they are told or programed to do.

Every time Biden appears the "data" is confirmed. Doesn't require genius. Just observation.

Those who PLAN on voting for him feel the same. Particularly those posting in this Forum. Otherwise there would be positive threads and posts about how fine he will be as POTUS.

Praises for Biden are as few and far between as Biden's logical and truthful statements. I really believe he's not "LYING." He's either simply regurgitating what is written for him (and trying to remember what the paper said) or he really is DELUSIONAL....and fit for the 25th amendment the day after inauguration if he is actually elected ... and not "virtually elected" in his basement ..... in front of his wine stained big screen....loaner.

I suppose that's why the aware DNC Loyalists want him to shut up and stay in the basement.

[Chung Tran]

I do see a big shift (from the Right in this Forum) the past 4 months.. y'all don't live and die, breathe Trump like you did, around the time he was beating back impeachment.. now it's like "what will we get if Biden and the Socialist Antifa's get in"? y'all don't mention shit like "promises made, promises kept" anymore.

you aren't apologizing left and right either, like most Republicans around the country are doing now. I'll give you that.

[Lapdog]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

I do see a big shift (from the Right in this Forum) the past 4 months.. y'all don't live and die, breathe Trump like you did, around the time he was beating back impeachment.. now it's like "what will we get if Biden and the Socialist Antifa's get in"? y'all don't mention shit like "promises made, promises kept" anymore.

you aren't apologizing left and right either, like most Republicans around the country are doing now. I'll give you that.

They're just waiting on each other to start the ball rolling.

[HedonistForever]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

I do see a big shift (from the Right in this Forum) the past 4 months.. y'all don't live and die, breathe Trump like you did, around the time he was beating back impeachment.. now it's like "what will we get if Biden and the Socialist Antifa's get in"? y'all don't mention shit like "promises made, promises kept" anymore.

you aren't apologizing left and right either, like most Republicans around the country are doing now. I'll give you that.

"Promises" are a promise to try. Since no President is a King, all you can ask for is tell us what you promise you will try to do. I can't think of a single promise, Trump has not tried to keep. Can you?


One has to understand the roles of the Executive, the Legislative and Judicial branches before one can understand what I just said. Unfortunately that leaves out a shit load of Americans.