My childish frustration rant...

[Guest082418-2]

I am sure I will regret this later but it is how I feel and what's on my mind... So I will say it for myself and all those who do not have the personality to do it for themselves.

Gents and Ladies both... It's for you... How many times do you give a person who just talks and fills your inbox? How long before you just block them and move on from the frustration?

I am a social person and I enjoy chatting but I can not tell you the number of repeat messages asking for the same thing over and over from the same people that I get. Those with out referrals or board interaction I just do away with but those that have offered referral info I try to give a chance.

Sadly its the same 2 referrals the guys give. I have no idea what other ladies expect but I think more of myself than that.

So I am pretty sure I am going to be the 'bitch' but I will no longer accept referrals alone as verification. I would rather see a new person that has been active here on the boards so I can see their mannerisms. I do understand that not every provider and gent have the same chemistry.

I know what I expect from a person and I know what I give in return.

I may piss many of you off by my frustration with wasting time and BS but I am not here to feed my family or pay my bills. I have that covered with my real life.

I have been called an elitist and I am sure it was not meant in a nice way. But you know what, I accept that... If picking and choosing whom I enjoy and want to see based on how you interact with me puts me in a different class then I am OK with that... I play in this hobby as an escape from real life. It was part of my lifestyle when I was married. Just so you know, your $$ are what keep the line in the sand from me interfering in your personal life and expecting you to really DATE me. You know the saying you do not pay for play you pay me to go away after... ;-)

So this post is to let those know that just send messages wanting to talk dirty or see pics that you are going on block... No further interaction will be offered...

My rant is over... Feel free to give you opinion or how you deal with these situations...
Or just ignore it and stay our of the flame that will surly be thrown...

[gimme_that]

So which two local refs do you not like or consider illegitimate. I'm sure potential suitors would like to know. I'm sure it won't affect them seeing you, or them, but they should at least know who's beefing with who. If your gonna rant rant fully......

Throw the flame.

[Guest082418-2]

It's not a beef with anyone...

That is however the is the attitude I would expect... Those that it affects KNOW... They know from a safety aspect... I am getting guys sharing who they see but the lady does not know them or better yet they claim to have saw these ladies and when I ask for how she will remember they hang up... Calling from blocked numbers... The other is a well reviewed traveling lady whom does not give referrals and will not respond. I guess she feels she takes the chance to see newbies and chooses not to verify. That is her choice and I respect it but I did take a chance on 2 of those gents and one was a total jerk and the other well it was a very BAD experience where he felt condoms were not necessary... The ladies I know and work around are busy trying to work as this is their primary source of income and do not have time for kid games so I do not feel it is the ladies up to anything bad...


It's not genuine guys that are here to hobby that are the issue either... It's those that are here just looking for jack off talk time...

I simply will not be that girl to entertain those looking for less than the real up close and personal meet and play... I am real and I love what I do and how I do it... My reviews speak for themselves and FYI, it's not just one or two older local guys I won over to my side... ;-)

Gimme You and I spent a lot of time talking when I first started coming here... I have much respect for you as a hobbyist, as you are very clear and direct about what you want and what you are looking for... You are not at all what I call a time waster as you simply are on a mission to get the best bang for your buck... Nothing but respect for your way of doing things... We didn't see things the same way and we each moved on and because of that we didn't waste our time and have a bad experience with one another... But please do not try to stir drama with other ladies when there is non to be had...

I know I am not for everyone and everyone is not for me and I am OK with that, they should be too.

I am going to stay safe and enjoy the hobby, as it is just that a hobby and an escape... That is what the gents that see me like about me...

[Lena Duvall]

Kudos for being candid Heidi. I don't think what you're saying is immature. Going through inquiries and finding that some are from freebie seekers and fantasy bookers can be more than a little frustrating. In my less than three years of escorting, I've learned a lot about my communication boundaries. My skills of discernment have also greatly improved. And I do my best to convey how I expect to be spoken to when one is arranging a date with me.

There are messages I would respond to in the Summer of 2014, where now I promptly delete the message and sometimes even put the inquirer on Ignore.

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"How many times do you give a person who just talks and fills your inbox?"

A few at the most. If I've gone back and forth and back again messaging someone, and I haven't received verification information or definitive details on when, where, and how long a gent is trying to meet for, my patience wanes and I move. Yes, TCB skills are important. But some folks like to play 21 questions and consume sex workers' time and energy in ways that they know they'd never get away with when it comes to any other non adult industry service providers.

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"just send messages wanting to talk dirty or see pics"

This is exactly what a time waster does. What they refuse to understand is you've already shared the pictures you want to share, and you've already got reviews from gents who have met with you. If they want more from you... an intimate one-on-one exchange, they need to book a session, and compensate you for your time and energy. This is Escort Client Community Information Exchange.

[gimme_that]

Originally Posted by heidis_pleasure

Gimme You and I spent a lot of time talking when I first started coming here... I have much respect for you as a hobbyist, as you are very clear and direct about what you want and what you are looking for... You are not at all what I call a time waster as you simply are on a mission to get the best bang for your buck... Nothing but respect for your way of doing things... We didn't see things the same way and we each moved on and because of that we didn't waste our time and have a bad experience with one another... But please do not try to stir drama with other ladies when there is non to be had.

To be honest I spent as much time talking to you as I would other ladies I potentially see based on inquiry. I book multihours usually. I don't choose who I see based on "bang of bucks" as you labeled I do. It's moreso performance and personability with me. Sometimes I've paid more other times I've paid less. What is important to me though is full disclosure of what is offered. Your setup of wanting to get to know your clients and potential suitors takes time. I invested small amounts of time to eventually get an offered menu, rates, meet preferences, and see if you were personable. Because you didn't divulge that stuff until after. Reviews at the time you had were mixed and of a lower pay scale. And I usually prefer to know rates after I know services and capabilities anyway. Like I would many ladies I have seen. When the rate you wanted didn't correspond to the service level and rules of engagement you had for a multihour meet.....we agreed to disagree. Being honest about what u seek isn't a bad thing.....especially when someone is honest about not being able to accommodate. Can't fault you for that.

What I do fault you for in this thread.......you are saying two verified ladies here are less than savory.....unhealthy.......pos ting hints......but won't just name drop like you did with me as an example. That places many people at risk, and also is a potential hinderance to guys booking ladies, keep people safe with the use of good refs. I know full well certain ladies here do not like each other. In other cities and states it's the same. I think it stirs the pot more to even lament on it. You included the fact that these anonymous ladies tour cause inside you heart you really wanna stir the pot. Why not just be direct and grab the spoon and dig in. And spare us the rumors. Say what u feel. People get more respect for that. It certainly won't effect yall client base Im sure.

[Guest082418-2]

Did you guys see that.... My reviews were mixed and of lower pay scale...

Nevermind I have 80 + on another board that brag about my skills since 2003.

Woodford, Burnman, Paddy... Those were my first here. That list is growing to men whom I assure you are not bottom feeders... I remember well your comments about the type men I saw...

Shaking my head at the things people say trying to be hurtful when they know they matter not...

[Pmon]

Heidi, I'm not sure what the comment about referrals has to do with what I believe is your main concern, but I don't have a problem whatsoever with anything you've said here. Certainly nothing that would deserve the "bitch" label...not even close. I think you're being quite reasonable in wanting to limit certain types of interaction. Why should guys get entertainment value from you for free? Dialog that leads to a more meaningfu and enjoyable date with you is one thing, but what I suspect is going on should be limited, and if guys can't do that, then I see no reason you shouln't put a stop to it.

[Contralto]

With regards to the original post I may have ridden the interpretative horse in an entirely different direction but I understood her thoughts more on the macro level. I'm sure providers of all walks of life deal daily with the younger, less experienced men, who delight in 'talking to a lady' especially one who might eventually be a sexual partner. It is stimulating indeed and we all, if we are honest, would understand that tendency to overuse the privilege.

I remember well in my early hobby days when classified ads would show up in fine print in the local newspaper advertising 'champagne and private massages.' As a newbie to the hobby I would call and inquire--and deal with the resulting erection for hours. I can certainly understand how some might enjoy this opportunity a little too much and bug these ladies constantly for such platonic stimulation.

Maybe that was the substance of Heidi's remarks. If not, well, it's 7:39am. I've been wrong before today.

[Pmon]

Originally Posted by Contralto

With regards to the original post I may have ridden the interpretative horse in an entirely different direction but I understood her thoughts more on the macro level. I'm sure providers of all walks of life deal daily with the younger, less experienced men, who delight in 'talking to a lady' especially one who might eventually be a sexual partner. It is stimulating indeed and we all, if we are honest, would understand that tendency to overuse the privilege.

I remember well in my early hobby days when classified ads would show up in fine print in the local newspaper advertising 'champagne and private massages.' As a newbie to the hobby I would call and inquire--and deal with the resulting erection for hours. I can certainly understand how some might enjoy this opportunity a little too much and bug these ladies constantly for such platonic stimulation.

Maybe that was the substance of Heidi's remarks. If not, well, it's 7:39am. I've been wrong before today.

I think that's exactly what she's talking about, Contralto. PMing with a provider for the purpose of turning up the heat for a planned rendezvous is great. But there comes a point where a provider has to decide if the interaction is legit or if she's being played.

[Paddy Daddy]

My comments....
I don't think Hobbyist take time to think about the sheer volume of emails, PM's, text messages, calls that you ladies get in a single day. From that large number you have to dwindle down quickly to who is legit, safe and worth seeing.

One of the local agency girls told me she worked phones one afternoon... and they had 600+ calls and text messages... with 4 girls working. That alone would take a call center to handle.
I think that is why 95% of the ladies aren't that good on the phone because it can be a very time consuming effort with little to no reward.
That's where P411-oks, eccie reviews, and other site credibility comes in. You instantly have street credit and can get down to business directly in booking.
I enjoy my ranking status with Heidi and occasionally send her messages or hobby chatter, but I like to think I earned that privekege, first.

On the subject of I possibie being a bottom feeder, which could be interpreted many ways.
With a LADY, I enjoy the whole dang Buffett... so yes, I'm feeding all over a woman's body.
In the HOBBY, I really enjoy a variety of ladies and the various "charms" they possess. Some high $$$, some low $$$, which in turn equaled some Great experiences and some experiences I'd like to forget. It all depends on my taste at that moment!!
This section is made for thus type discussion, so rave and rant on Heidi, rave on!!

[Guest072918]

Originally Posted by gimme_that

Reviews at the time you had were mixed and of a lower pay scale.

Gimme - As the first reviewer for the OP on this board, I take issue with your statement that her reviews were mixed and of a lower pay scale. Her reviews are DEFINITELY NOT mixed and never have been. And for this market, she is at the higher end of the pay scale. Certainly not the pay scale of the BP girls that some see. You certainly know how you can easily be ripped off by BP girls that have a lower pay scale.

So, say what you want, just make sure it is factual. And, don't be surprised when you are called out on it when it is not.

[gimme_that]

She had other reviews listed which were mostly oral, HH quick type reviews. I don't know why I don't see those reviews listed under her profile now. She might have had a name change. I know when I was looking via inquiry when she first popped up here, she had older reviews from different areas......and none newer. Those reviews are gone from her profile so I'm guessing she. Had a name change. Ladies do it all the time to reinvent themselves or repackage the allure. They were eccie reviews and none of them are viewable via her profile now. Couldnt tell you why.......other than a name change.

[Guest082418-2]

I have NEVER had a name change... When I started in 2002 I used the name FantasyRendered... I had a yahoo name Heidis_Pleasure... Those are the ONLY names you will ever see that are MINE... I used a name GFE Dates for myself and other ladies that worked with me to make adds but even that was just an email to post from NOT a place for referrals or reviews...

I have had reviews from 2003 on TER but you told me you did not pay for that. I had signed up for ECCIE a few years ago but never used it until I started coming here... Woodford was my FIRST review... Please I challenge you to contact the boards to find I am telling the truth and you then can apologize...

I am now and always have been the same person... One of the things I pride myself on is NOT changing a name or being multiple persons... I have never had to do so and if that day ever comes then it is time to walk away... My reputation stands on its own...

You should do better homework or better yet NOT get me confused with others you might have searched out thinking we were the same...

It all amounts to I am not interested in being asked direct questions of do you do this and this and this and how long can you do this and that... You did not even try to make it a fun conversation. It was like going thru a grocery list...

I am NOT a PSE provider. Although I do some PSE things during my sessions... I am a true 100% GFE fetishist with kink. To see me and for me to be interested you need to be able to talk to me like a normal person... Not a street walker at the car window... I was not nor am I interested in letting you lay there for hours while I ride you Asian cowgirl... I am not interested in 12 hours dates with no sleep, food or about me time... (that's what you said your 12 hours were, remember) That is what women that NEED to work do... They allow men to take advantage of their situation... I am not one of those women... Never have been and I assure you I never will be... I do not have a habit or a man to support...

I was honest about that and how I do things and you have not been able to move on since that time... It has been since July of last year... I am not your type and you are not mine... Move on... I do not look for your posts to try and start drama but you more than once have said something under mine to get a rise...

You said to me once that it didn't matter anyway that I was probably to fat to do the things you want...
You are correct... It's not my thing... I am a big girl... I have real pics to show you that and my reviewers say I am a big girl...
You said to me I wanted the old white men on Viagra so I didn't have to 'work' for my money...
You know what... I do enjoy older men... Color is not an option, some use enhancers and some do not but I simply like a man that is interested in kissing and taking the time to make out and enjoy one another... Someone that treats me like a lady not a purchased item... I am honest n upfront that I like to get mine too...

Happy Hobby Adventured to you...

[Lily Kat Wood]

Please Miss Heidi, do not take the bait from gimme. Everywhere that I see him post he is stirring the pot. Everytime I see one of his posts, which typically come in waves on the Louisiana board, I imagine that he had a bad day at work and needs to take it out on the ladies of ECCIE. As far as that apology goes, don't hold your breath. He doesn't come off as a man with that much class. I absolutely love that the words that we all share on ECCIE are here as long as we keep our profiles active. His words speak volumes.

[Pmon]

Originally Posted by heidis_pleasure

... I am a big girl... I have real pics to show you that and my reviewers say I am a big girl...

Be still my heart....God, I love big girls.