Knock and Talk, took from another site.

[Guest102612]

Suppose a hotel or motel desk clerk is suspicious and calls the cops.

People enjoy the greatest freedom from searches and seizures while they are in their homes, behind closed doors. Motel and hotel rooms have the same degree of protection, if rented overnight so as to constitute the equivalent of a home. Hotel and motel clerks do not have the ability to waive your Fourth Amendment rights by letting LE into your room. Don't let LE say they do in order to coerce you to open a motel or hotel door.

If the public can't see you, you enjoy the greatest protections under the Fourth Amendment while you are in the home or in the hotel or motel room. Let's call this "super-protected," because almost always a warrant is required to enter the home where the doorway is closed.

LE may try to get you and any companion(s) into a more vulnerable position by using what is called the "Knock & Talk" technique. Once you open the door and become visible to the officers, such that members of the general public could also see you, you lose a great deal of protection under the Fourth Amendment. You can be arrested, or frisked, under the same conditions as if you were out in public, once you open that door.

A common misconception is that, if you stay on the indoor-side of the threshold of an open doorway, you remain super-protected under the Fourth Amendment. But that is simply not so.

Here's how "Knock & Talk" works. Simply, LE will knock and wait for a reaction. One possible reaction is that you say something. Then LE will continue to engage you in a conversation.

LE may gain greater powers depending on any other reaction you may have. If they hear or see evidence being destroyed, this may allow LE to gain probable cause for a warrant or possibly even empower LE to enter without a warrant. Care should be taken not to make a lot of noise that could be misinterpreted as destruction of evidence. The same is true with gestures in front of windows into which LE could look from the outside. Once you open that door, what LE sees in plain view, or hears through the opening of the door, or smells with the door opened, may provide a basis for your arrest or a frisk of your person.

From your standpoint the best reaction to the "Knock & Talk" technique may be to simply keep quiet and wait for LE to go away after five or ten minutes. Again, do not open the door just because someone says the motel or hotel will open it if you do not. How will you opening the door be any better than having the door opened by a desk clerk? Besides, it's a search or seizure if the clerk does it; it's not if you do it with consent.

If you do not want to simply remain silent and hope LE will go away, eventually, you could speak to LE behind a closed door or even call dispatch to see if they will put you through to the officer(s). You should make it clear you do not wish to speak with LE and will not open the door without a warrant. If LE seems to be ordering you to open the door, clarify that by asking if it is a request or an order. If LE says it is a request, stand your ground and do not open the door. If it is an order, clarify that one more time and then open the door so you do not get charged with obstruction or resisting.

So what should you do if LE comes knocking and will not simply go away? Do not open the door immediately, unless you truly have nothing whatsoever to hide.

Perhaps while you are waiting to open the door as LE persists in knocking, you and any companion(s) could discuss a game plan and agree to stick to the plan once the door is opened. One game plan could be for any alleged provider(s) not to open the door of the home or room while in possession of any money whilst any alleged hobbyist can emerge in possession of any money. Obviously, then, no cash was ever exchanged and any game plan to say you are just intimate friends will carry a lot more weight than if the alleged provider is in possession of hundreds or even thousands of dollars in currency.

[Osolomio]

Gimme your money. The cops are outside. You stay here out of sight and I'll go talk to them.

[Guest102612]

Originally Posted by Osolomio

Gimme your money. The cops are outside. You stay here out of sight and I'll go talk to them.

But, but the hotel is in my name. You jump out the window.

[Bigh1955]

Sorry to say, and nothing personal - If LE comes knocking at your door, you may have been engaging in things worse than hooking - that have the word "felony" associated with them. How do I know where your money came from? Me take your money for safe keeping...I don't think so. I don't think a conspiracy or obstruction charge would be quite so easy to get dismissed.

I think the advice in the article violates the first rule of dealing with LE - be polite, ask if they have a warrant, and STFU.

I'm not an attorney - ijs

[Osolomio]

[Guest102612]

Originally Posted by Bigh1955

Sorry to say, and nothing personal - If LE comes knocking at your door, you may have been engaging in things worse than hooking - that have the word "felony" associated with them. How do I know where your money came from? Me take your money for safe keeping...I don't think so. I don't think a conspiracy or obstruction charge would be quite so easy to get dismissed.

I think the advice in the article violates the first rule of dealing with LE - be polite, ask if they have a warrant, and STFU.

I'm not an attorney - ijs

The gentleman that wrote this it an attorney and a hobbyist. He writes a lot of advice on the other site.
If the provider is smart she isn't going to have a wad of cash on her or around her!

[MsElena]

If a lady is working out of a hotel, she's going to have cash on her person, car, hotel safe, etc., unless she's converted it into a debit card or deposited it into a bank account.

But, it also depends on where she is (if she's touring or not) and how many clients she plans on seeing.

[Osolomio]

I've just realized that my bank's ATMs (some of them) will accept checks without even an envelope. I'm sure they accept cash in the same manner. No need to carry cash around long term.

[MsElena]

Not all ladies have bank accounts and if they do......they can't always deposit the full amounts due to other circumstances.

[Guest022718]

It would seem that if a YL is caught with a gentlemen, and she is in posession of large amounts of money, condoms, and lotion, both parties will have some splainin' to do.

Look at the kind of evidence LE is searching for in other jurisdictions:

http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/2006...ub-tug-repeat/

Is this a great country, or what?

As Claire Wolfe has said before, America is at the awkward stage: it's too late to work within the system, but it's too soon to shoot the bastards.

[Guest110512]

Here is my view from the cheap seats: The cops don't have to be right to cause you one hell of a headache. So what if the tickets get tossed in court, the damage is done to the client and provider as they both have to get lawyers. If he is married his spouse will find out and if she has past problems with LE she now has more.

Even the dumpy hotels have security cameras and if they suspect you are doing something illegal to warrant them calling the cops you can damn well bet the hotel and the cops have watched the cameras and have a plan before they knock on your door.

Think about this scenario, motel calls cops about their suspicions and show them video of traffic in and out of room, cops watch for guy leaving and pull him over, has choice to come clean and leave or be detained and wife finds out. They spew talk that his DNA will be found in the room in such a manner it leaves no doubt as the activity that went on. He thinks oh crap my DNA is going to be in a trash can and on a washcloth and neither will be a saliva sample. Guy comes clean and next guy and provider get screwed.

If you want the opinion of an attorney just mention ShysterJon in your message and he will appear just like magic! I hope he shows up and has his piece written on how to hire an attorney.

[Guest102612]

Originally Posted by makemesmile

Think about this scenario, motel calls cops about their suspicions and show them video of traffic in and out of room, cops watch for guy leaving and pull him over, has choice to come clean and leave or be detained and wife finds out. They spew talk that his DNA will be found in the room in such a manner it leaves no doubt as the activity that went on. He thinks oh crap my DNA is going to be in a trash can and on a washcloth and neither will be a saliva sample. Guy comes clean and next guy and provider get screwed.

If he comes clean the cops are still going to write a ticket or detain him and the wifey is going to find out. I think I have read in here from Shyster jon, Don't say anything STFU and call a Lawyer. They can't charge you without proof and they can't get DNA or anything else without a warrant and most aren't going to go through the trouble of getting one.

[Guest121212]

I'll not comment on the "legal" advice other than to say this: retain counsel and follow their advice regarding the specific jurisdiction you are working in / visiting a lady in.

Frankly, this sentence, "Suppose a hotel or motel desk clerk is suspicious and calls the cops." is the biggest issue with the entire re-posted post.

Gentlemen, see ladies that work their business in such a manner that the front desk is not of issue. Generally speaking, but not always, the higher you go on the hotel "food chain" the less problems one will experience. (IMHO, IME).

Also, there are innumerable lawsuits (and several at the federal level) that expose the hotel / motel to rather large liability for calling the police on their patrons after they have checked in with only a "suspicion" as it relates to this business specifically. Be aware that usually, if a clerk is suspicious, they will simply not rent the room. Most hotels will have a policy to approach the patron quietly (their manager will approach you) rather than call the police.

Several ladies have a lot of experience with hospitality services, including one lady that posts frequently in Nebraska, and she has written numerous times on the issue of hotel safety and what they "can" and "can't" do in Nebraska, I'll encourage her to share her learned opinion (if she so chooses) and reserve further comment.

I think BigH said it best with "If LE comes knocking at your door, you may have been engaging in things worse than hooking - that have the word "felony" associated with them."

Kisses,

- Jackie

[Bigh1955]

I've received several PMs relating to my earlier post in this thread and I'd like to clarify.

Nothing was intended in my comment to imply anything about the OP (Sabrababy) who is a great lady (imho), a friend, and person whose opinion I value greatly.

My point was simply that it's unlikely LE will knock on a provider's door unless there are larger issues. (imho) Knocking without probable cause is simply harassment...something a hotel manager may have his security guys do...but getting LE to simply harass would likely be viewed as a waste of their time and potenially counter-productive from their prospective. Of course, there may be a bored vice detective somewhere who has nothing better to do than to scare the crap out of two consenting adults in a hotel room - With my luck, I'll be one of them. lol

Should this ever happen to me, I'm going to follow the #1 rule - be polite, ask the required question(s): do they have a warrant, am I being detained - then STFU. The goal is to end the discussion at the earliest opportunity.

Peace Out!

[Duke1023]

Ok, without getting too intrusive, has anyone ever heard of the cops just knocking on a door to a hotel room? I could see if there is other activity going on or something of that sort, but I would like to think Uncle Leo has better things to do. Then again, nothing much surprises me anymore. I like the "be polite and STFU" philosophy.