CIM and HIV

[Robynn]

wondering how many escorts and hobbyest CIM and BBBJ. As of yesterday..i did..after reading this... i will no longer offer either to new clients. NOTHING should be unprotected. This may hurt my bussiness but it could SAVE MY LIFE..and yours... please read the following and comment!!
kisses!
Robynn





Can I get HIV from oral sex?


En Español

Yes, it is possible for either partner to become infected with HIV through performing or receiving oral sex. There have been a few cases of HIV transmission from performing oral sex on a person infected with HIV. While no one knows exactly what the degree of risk is, evidence suggests that the risk is less than that of unprotected anal or vaginal sex.

If the person performing oral sex has HIV, blood from their mouth may enter the body of the person receiving oral sex through

the lining of the urethra (the opening at the tip of the penis);
the lining of the vagina or cervix;
the lining of the anus; or
directly into the body through small cuts or open sores.
If the person receiving oral sex has HIV, their blood, semen (cum), pre-seminal fluid (pre-cum), or vaginal fluid may contain the virus. Cells lining the mouth of the person performing oral sex may allow HIV to enter their body.

The risk of HIV transmission increases

if the person performing oral sex has cuts or sores around or in their mouth or throat;
if the person receiving oral sex ejaculates in the mouth of the person performing oral sex; or
if the person receiving oral sex has another sexually transmitted disease (STD).
Not having (abstaining from) sex is the most effective way to avoid HIV.

If you choose to perform oral sex, and your partner is male,

use a latex condom on the penis; or
if you or your partner is allergic to latex, plastic (polyurethane) condoms can be used.
Studies have shown that latex condoms are very effective, though not perfect, in preventing HIV transmission when used correctly and consistently. If either partner is allergic to latex, plastic (polyurethane) condoms for either the male or female can be used. For more information about latex condoms, see "Male Latex Condoms and Sexually Transmitted Diseases."

If you choose to have oral sex, and your partner is female,

use a latex barrier (such as a natural rubber latex sheet, a dental dam, or a cut-open condom that makes a square) between your mouth and the vagina. A latex barrier such as a dental dam reduces the risk of blood or vaginal fluids entering your mouth. Plastic food wrap also can be used as a barrier.
If you choose to perform oral sex with either a male or female partner and this sex includes oral contact with your partners anus (analingus or rimming),

use a latex barrier (such as a natural rubber latex sheet, a dental dam, or a cut-open condom that makes a square) between your mouth and the anus. Plastic food wrap also can be used as a barrier.
If you choose to share sex toys with your partner, such as dildos or vibrators,

each partner should use a new condom on the sex toy; and
be sure to clean sex toys between each use.

[charlestudor2005]

Robynn--you don't say where you got this. I realize it has made an impression on you, but it might have more impact if you cited the source. BTW, if I remember correctly, Dana investigated the same issue, and came to the opposite conclusion, based on the sources she found.

I would just wonder which one of your sources seemed to be the most persuasive, either in terms of scientific study and/or their reputation in the scientific community.

I am not trying to change your mind. Just trying to enlighten the community.

[Lily Blair]

I'm confused. You didn't know about this before? There is a very slight risk of infection when dealing with fluids in any capacity.

[bluffcityguy]

Originally Posted by sexxilexxi

wondering how many escorts and hobbyest CIM and BBBJ. As of yesterday..i did..after reading this... i will no longer offer either to new clients. NOTHING should be unprotected. This may hurt my bussiness but it could SAVE MY LIFE..and yours... please read the following and comment!!

Well, ok, you asked for comments...

I'm in the same boat medically as Livonia, save that The Famous Little Blue Pill does help me, sometimes (sometimes not; life is a crapshoot, after all). However, it's pretty much been my experience that even with chemical assistance, a CBJ simply won't get Li'l Bluff's attention enough to make other play possible.

I don't really care about CIM, but I need a BBBJ to get things ready for CFS. I respect your right to set your limits, but if BBBJ w/o CIM is off the menu, you and I won't be seeing each other BCD.

Just my €0.015 (the rates have been fluctuating recently)...

Cheers,

bcg

[Guest022210]

There is no such thing as 100% safe sex. A person who is prudent takes measures to minimize their risk and should never do anything that is not well thought out. The CDC says there has never been a documented case of HIV transmission from oral sex alone, but hastens to add that in cases where was intercourse transmission there was also oral sex and thus impossible to tell which was the offending route. What they do attest to is that risk of HIV transmission in oral sex is less likely than in unprotected vaginal sex and both are less risky than unprotected anal sex. Unless there is some new data available since last I read there has never been a documented case of HIV transmission between lesbians who engage in oral sex. I feel reasonably safe doing this although my experience has been that lesbians are reluctant to hold still for me.
I have no dog in the fight as I have always felt that if I was getting a BJ, I was having a good day no matter what I was wearing.
You should do what seems right and comfortable and avoid deciding for anyone but yourself. I feel very safe with the ladies I frequent and content with whatever menu they present me, as long as the dish is washed and adequately garnished.
I would not advise BBBj when you have an open sore in your mouth, have just had your teeth cleaned, or oral surgery. These are good precautions for client as well as provider.
More for aesthetic reasons than anything else, If I see rimming on a ladies menu I immediately take her off my kissing list.

[Sonoman]

My, my. This has been discussed so much. It takes blood to transfer the HIV virus. You can get a host of other STD's from clear body fluids, but blood is the primary way of transfer regardless of where you transfer it from. Giving a BBBJ is no different than kissing someone that has bleeding gums. If you swap blood the the possibility is there. Bottom line it's very rare that HIV is transfered by a BBBJ. I would suggest you only look at information posted by CDC (Center for Disease Control)and NIH (National Institute of Health). Or simply talk to your GYN doctor or a Urologist.

[Lily Blair]

Reminds me-- my gyn knows what I do for a living and knows that I offer bbbjcimnqns (swallowing) and didn't have a huge problem with it. I'm sure not all docs would take this attitude though.

[Bimboknocker]

Originally Posted by Blond_Lily

Reminds me-- my gyn knows what I do for a living and knows that I offer bbbjcimnqns (swallowing) and didn't have a huge problem with it. I'm sure not all docs would take this attitude though.

Lily the first time I saw a provider I got worried and went to my doctor. He laughed and said if it wasn't a gay man or someone with needle marks don't worrry.

[Guest032514-1]

Not to stir the pot but (grabs spoon) I'm very pro-provider. If CBJ is her choice - it's her choice. Don't for a minute think there isn't a huge market for all covered. There is.

Here's the spoon thing: If you CBJ, then using the same reasoning, you should take ALL oral off the table too. That means kissing and all oral sex. I have never ever understood how girls who offer french kissing and daty balk at reciprocity citing this medical reason.

For HIV to come into play: one partner must be infected and the "clean" partner must have an tear in the skin or lining of something somewhere. Did you bite your tongue or cheek? cut yourself shaving? There has to be a cut, a lesion - some opening that you were not born with, an unnatural opening through the dermis or protective tissue into the bloodstream. Spit to spit = no known cases of transfer. Spit to "love juices" = no known cases of transfer. HIV is strictly "blood borne".

It is every provider's choice and THAT I do understand and respect 100%.

[Lily Blair]

Originally Posted by babee

I have never ever understood how girls who offer french kissing and daty balk at reciprocity citing this medical reason.

I've never understood how a provider can make these decisions without doing her homework and knowing why she's made these decisions beforehand.

[Sonoman]

Originally Posted by Blond_Lily

Reminds me-- my gyn knows what I do for a living and knows that I offer bbbjcimnqns (swallowing) and didn't have a huge problem with it. I'm sure not all docs would take this attitude though.

Lily, Exactly and bless your heart for stepping up to plate with that Comment from one providers view. Yes not all doctors would agree and that's ok as the reasoning behind this is for each individual to have the correct/proper information so they can make a decision that fits them.

[Guest022210-4]

So just a question, I mean I am a little dull-witted here, but I just want to make sure I am understanding what I read. HIV/AIDS is the only super serious non-curable STD right? All the rest you can take medicine for and control symptoms right?
And you can get herpes from bbbj too. I thought that was sort of a big deal.

[Lily Blair]

It's all your choice my dear No one is suggesting you change your mind if you don't want to.

[tuckahoe]

Just do a search for herpes and find the link for CDC. In a nutshell, sometimes you show symptoms, sometimes not. Even medical tests are not 100% accurate in detection. No cure. Expensive medicine just reduces number of recurrences.

[Sonoman]

Originally Posted by ***KYLA***

So just a question, I mean I am a little dull-witted here, but I just want to make sure I am understanding what I read. HIV/AIDS is the only super serious non-curable STD right? All the rest you can take medicine for and control symptoms right?
And you can get herpes from bbbj too. I thought that was sort of a big deal.

There are a host of STD that can be cured and several that can only be controlled but not cured. Herpes, HPV and Hepatitis A, B and C are few to start with.

Again read the CDC and NIH web sites and understand. Talk to you doctor about these also. They will be very happy to explain in depth.

Don't let this info scare you. There is a lot of fun to be had and still be safe.