Legal advice - hotel drama

[jm10]

I met up with a girl from SA at a hotel. She ended up stealing my id and cc. I confronted her outside and that led to hotel management calling police. I couldn't get her to give my my stuff back and she left. police arrived a few minutes later and knocked on my room.

I told them the story, nothing that had me doing any dealings or anything like that. I should have remained silent i know.

They escorted me out and i drove home. I left a used umbrella in the room. I find myself having to report my stolen id but am afraid they will try to convict me of something, what should i do?

Please advice

[TravelingTex]

Originally Posted by jm10

I met up with a girl from SA at a hotel. She ended up stealing my id and cc. ...I find myself having to report my stolen id but am afraid they will try to convict me of something, what should i do?

...

The first thing you should do is post her name in the appropriate forum so that others can be warned. If "SA" means "Seeking Arrangement", then there's a sugar daddy forum for that, for San Antonio; or if you just meant "San Antonio", then that's the forum.

Second, reporting a lost/stolen ID such as a driver's license in Texas can be done completely online (unless you have warrants from an unpaid ticket or such). You don't have to explain anything. Even if you end up going to a live clerk, you just lost the card, that's all; don't know where, maybe at the gym.

Nobody will connect your lost ID to some she-said/he-said, non-arrest situation. Remember that the police are not automatically scanning all the Dept. of Public Safety ID issues, nor the other way around (unless you have a warrant for an unpaid ticket or such.)

[Chung Tran]

exactly.. but I should point out, too, that the Cops don't care if you tell what happened, honestly. it would likely help their investigation. nothing bad will happen to you.

[jm10]

Thanks for the tips. I am concerned that they might have gone in the room to try to put more pieces together and anything they could use as evidence. I provided them my name and address and am concerned the report is linked to my data now.

[Phoenixx]

Originally Posted by jm10

I provided them my name and address and am concerned the report is linked to my data now.

incident reports are neither criminal nor
convictions, and they can be difficult to obtain since
LE keeps them as their own record depending on the jurisdiction

I wouldn't worry much o.o

[JRLawrence]

Originally Posted by jm10

Thanks for the tips. I am concerned that they might have gone in the room to try to put more pieces together and anything they could use as evidence. I provided them my name and address and am concerned the report is linked to my data now.

You want the good news first, or the bad news.

Bad News:
Every single contact you make, anytime in your life is linked to your personal data somewhere. Everyone has a file. The police now read your car license just by driving by: the report of where you are goes into a file. There is so much data on you out there, you just would not believe it. You complain about the neighbors dog barking: it goes into your personal file. The police have lists of who is living where, even if your name is not on the rent agreement, or on the property. Police ask about people, just for their records. Most of it is entered on a record. They talk to you: they want an ID. You don't give it to them, they look at your car license plate and they ask others about you. All of the other goverment agencies also add to the files. For every business there is the Fire Marshal who comes around every year to make a "fire inspection" - all of those records are added to the police records. For example: if a new corporation is created to purchase a building there can be no record of who owns the corporation that owns the building, or what they are doing in it - but the Fire Marshal are expected to find out, usually by asking the former owners what they know about the building they sold. They may also just come by and knock on the door, or ask the neighbors. Gee wizz, you thought it was no one's business what you were doing in that building.

Good News
Most of the files about incidental contact on you are not accessable to the regular police force: as in the case of the neighbor's dog barking, that is until you neighbor gets murdered - then your name pops to the top of the contact list. You might not even get a visit if you have a record as a good guy. But if you have a history of being a guy with a short fuse temper, then you might get a visit concerning her murder.

[rolechange]

Originally Posted by Chung Tran

exactly.. but I should point out, too, that the Cops don't care if you tell what happened, honestly. it would likely help their investigation. nothing bad will happen to you.

Take it from Chung 'not very hung' Tranny here, he would know since he is a cop and all, trust him with 'just the facts man'

[nickjordy]

very bad news sir you come germany there is more and good

[Unique_Carpenter]

For the OP.

I used to run hotels. Yes if there's a disturbance cops get called.

Here's what happens:
You entertained hotel staff
You entertained the doughnut squad
Hotel staff was entertained to the point of kicking you out.
Cops were entertained to the point that it will come up in the after shift bar talk about how guys pick the wrong gals.

The conclusion: two days later everyones forgotten about it.

[DesWad]

I don't know where you are at with this situation but you do the following:
1. Go public with the girl's name and contact information in the correct forum here.
2. Report your ID stolen in Texas
3. Cancel your CC asap
4. Learn from the situation

Never take your wallet and any $$ more than the agreed donation into a hotel or residence. Never take your cell phone or any other personal items that leave you at risk. Always do your DD ahead of time.

Good luck

[Twentysomething]

JRLawrence, what evidence do you have to write such a comment? I disagree with the majority of your rhetoric.

[JRLawrence]

Originally Posted by Twentysomething

JRLawrence, what evidence do you have to write such a comment? I disagree with the majority of your rhetoric.

You may not agree with me, that is your option to remain as you are. I am not giving an opinion. I have not thrown BS at you. I am stating facts. If you were not so lazy, you could go google questions for yourself. Do your research, before commenting about things you have no information on.

I did my graduate work in statistics, and I have worked for the police as an outside consultant in statistics. Those statistics are used to predict crimes and the deployment of resources. How would you think Walmart knows how many people to add to the checkout lanes at any given time, or did you fail to notice that most of the time there are several check out lanes that are closed? The amount store traffic, at different days and times, can be predicted by the past history. That is simple application of statistics.

You want the good news first, or the bad news.

Bad News:
Every single contact you make, anytime in your life is linked to your personal data somewhere. Everyone has a file. The police now read your car license just by driving by: the report of where you are goes into a file. There is so much data on you out there, you just would not believe it. You complain about the neighbors dog barking: it goes into your personal file. The police have lists of who is living where, even if your name is not on the rent agreement, or on the property. Police ask about people, just for their records. Most of it is entered on a record. They talk to you: they want an ID. You don't give it to them, they look at your car license plate and they ask others about you. All of the other goverment agencies also add to the files. For every business there is the Fire Marshal who comes around every year to make a "fire inspection" - all of those records are added to the police records. For example: if a new corporation is created to purchase a building there can be no record of who owns the corporation that owns the building, or what they are doing in it - but the Fire Marshal are expected to find out, usually by asking the former owners what they know about the building they sold. They may also just come by and knock on the door, or ask the neighbors. Gee wizz, you thought it was no one's business what you were doing in that building.

This example actually happened to me. I own several corporations. Several years ago, I bought a building for cash and created a new LLC (Lawyers, and CPAs, usually recommend that every piece of real estate that is used by a corporation be placed in a separate LLC to limit liability: not a private residence) with one of the corporations as the only principal (that means one of the owners). The county records only show the owner as the LLC. The State record shows the attorned of record, not the owners. The fire Marshall was confused, so the previous owner was called. They were told that the current owner was another corporation. That corporation received a call from the FM that they wanted to inspect the interior of that business too. When it was inspected the new FM didn't know about the regulations of the building contents. I did, and provided all of the necessary documentation about the contents of the building.

Good News
Most of the files about incidental contact on you are not accessable to the regular police force: as in the case of the neighbor's dog barking, that is until you neighbor gets murdered - then your name pops to the top of the contact list. You might not even get a visit if you have a record as a good guy. But if you have a history of being a guy with a short fuse temper, then you might get a visit concerning her murder.

The last bold print is a direct quote from a Captain in a police department I was a consultant for in the early 70's, when statistics were assembled manually. What the hell do you think can be done now that we have the computer power available to track things automatically.

A computer inquiry into who you are can be made as fast as you can blink.

Quit acting stupid (that means not believing the obvious facts). Big brother has been watching you a long time. They know about you! You just have not done anything serious enough, yet, to justify taking you to an overloaded court system. Why do you think the court systems are so overloaded? Think about it, and quit being so ignorant (that means you just don't know) that you invite a meeting with the justice system.

You should thank me for contributing to protecting you from your own actions.

[Twentysomething]

My apologies, all knowing all mighty wise

[Twentysomething]

JRLawerence is simply spouting false rhetoric in an attempt to scare the less educated. Obviously if law enforcement has reasonable cause or evidence that is one thing but to send fear into the average Joe is absurd. First of all if LE wanted to investigate someone's phone records they would have to go before a judge to get approval for a search warrant of said records. Any judge wishing to retain their position and especially any judge up for reelection would most certainly deny the request without overwhelming evidence of the need for phone records. I'm not disputing the fact that every electronic transaction remains forever but there simply has to be just cause for a foreign party to inquire on an innocent person without reasonable suspicion of a crime or other nefarious deeds. Think about it... if LE and the consenting judge approve a warrant under a very questionable pretense they are setting themselves up for a lawsuit. Outside of the Washington DC beltway this just doesn't happen. Not to mention the fact that cell phone records are not retained forever on the carriers servers. Way too much data in this age of communication medium. LE would have to hope to find a phone that the owner/user hasn't deleted past correspondences. Tell me I'm wrong

[JRLawrence]

Originally Posted by Twentysomething

JRLawerence is simply spouting false rhetoric in an attempt to scare the less educated. Obviously if law enforcement has reasonable cause or evidence that is one thing but to send fear into the average Joe is absurd.

Just like Joe Biden, the average Joe doesn't know whatl he is talking about.

First of all if LE wanted to investigate someone's phone records they would have to go before a judge to get approval for a search warrant of said records. Any judge wishing to retain their position and especially any judge up for reelection would most certainly deny the request without overwhelming evidence of the need for phone records. I'm not disputing the fact that every electronic transaction remains forever but there simply has to be just cause for a foreign party to inquire on an innocent person without reasonable suspicion of a crime or other nefarious deeds. Think about it... if LE and the consenting judge approve a warrant under a very questionable pretense they are setting themselves up for a lawsuit. Outside of the Washington DC beltway this just doesn't happen. Not to mention the fact that cell phone records are not retained forever on the carriers servers. Way too much data in this age of communication medium. LE would have to hope to find a phone that the owner/user hasn't deleted past correspondences. Tell me I'm wrong

You are wrong, and you know it.

Everything I said here is true, and you know it - that makes you really strange, you need to get help.

The word records, that you used, is a central thought here. Records already exist, and most go on forever. I recently bought a property and read the records that go back to the 1820s. Wow, what do you think of that

Most people in Kansas City will remember when a young girl was taken from a Target parking lot. It was the phone records that helped to find her body. That record of where the phone was, before it went dead located where she had been killed. In the same way you phone pings off of two or more towers, you can be found. Then there is GPS that is another method of finding you and where you have been at any given time.

What, you say? That information is saved for a later time. Hell yes, Stupid. That is how they found the body.

Want to know something else about phones: They can pick a conversation out of everyone taking at once. Want to say the word "bomb" over you telephone, or talk about it on the net.

Think about it again. No human has to be listening, just the programmed computers that can log your number for future reference. They don't need a judge for that. Just the history of hits to take to the judge for the future warrant when they get enough.

Good grief kids, I have been away from this stuff since the 90s. What the hell do you think the spooks can get on you now when you open you mouth.

But then, even Hillary Clinton and the Democrat party ware both stupid enough to not use a protected server and hand over their email to Russia.

It was all over the news, and you doubt it. Wow, how naive can you be?

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