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Old 07-02-2013, 12:02 PM   #1
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Kirsten Powers: I Don’t Stand With Wendy Davis

It’s amazing what is considered heroism these days.

A Texas legislator and her pink sneakers have been lionized for an eleventh-hour filibuster against a bill that would have made it illegal for mothers to abort babies past 20 weeks of pregnancy, except in the case of severe fetal abnormalities or to protect the life or health of the mother.

People actually cheered this.

Stand with the pink-sneakered Texas legislator and her fight to allow mothers to abort babies past the 20th week of pregnancy? Never—and most women wouldn’t either, says Kirsten Powers.

But the fight is not over. The bill will be reintroduced, and supporters of the ban are optimistic it will pass. For now, Wendy Davis has achieved the dubious victory of maintaining a very dark status quo. Texas women will still be able to abort a healthy baby up to the 26th week of pregnancy for any reason, as the current law allows.

According to the Parents Connect website, if you are in the 25th week of your pregnancy, “Get ready for pat-a-cake! Baby’s hands are now fully developed and he spends most of his awake time groping around in the darkness of your uterus. Brain and nerve endings are developed enough now so that your baby can feel the sensation of touch.” Let’s be clear: Davis has been called a hero for trying to block a bill that would make aborting this baby illegal.

In addition to the limit on late-term abortions, the Texas legislature sought to pass regulations on abortion clinics similar to what was passed in Pennsylvania in 2011 after the Gosnell horror. The New York Times warned that the Texas bill “could lead to the closing of most of Texas’s 42 abortion clinics.” That sounds familiar. In 2011, the Pennsylvania ACLU claimed a post-Gosnell bill “would effectively close most and maybe all of the independent abortion clinics in Pennsylvania.” Last month, a Pennsylvania news site reported that “several” abortion clinics have closed, which isn’t quite the Armageddon the abortion-rights movement predicted.

So no, I don’t stand with Wendy. Nor do most women, as it turns out. According to a June National Journal poll, 50 percent of women support, and 43 percent oppose, a ban on abortion after 20 weeks, except in cases of rape and incest.

One can assume I am also not the only woman in America who is really tiring of the Wendys of the world claiming to represent “women’s rights” in their quest to mainstream a medical procedure—elective late-term abortion—that most of the civilized world finds barbaric and abhorrent. In many European countries, you can’t get an abortion past 12 weeks, except in narrow circumstances. Gallup reported in January that 80 percent of Americans think abortion should be illegal in the third trimester, and 64 percent think it should be illegal in the second trimester.
Maybe we should wonder what is wrong with the women who think protecting the right to abort your baby for any reason up to the 26th week is a ‘human right.’
If the majority of Americans oppose elective late-term abortion, why do we have Davis complaining to CBS’s Bob Schieffer that the male politicians who are championing the late-term abortion ban are “bullying women”? Maybe it’s she who is bullying the rest of us into supporting a view that is mocked by scientific advancement; namely 3-D sonograms. Maybe we should be thankful for the men and wonder what is wrong with the women who think protecting the right to abort your baby for any reason up to the 26th week is a “human right.”

Human-rights movements have traditionally existed to help the voiceless and those without agency gain progressively more rights. Yet in the case of abortion, the voiceless have progressively lost rights at the hands of people who claim to be human-rights crusaders. Abortion-rights leaders have turned the world upside down. They want us to believe that a grown woman is voiceless, that she has less agency than the infant in her womb who relies on her for life. A woman has so little agency, we are told, that she is incapable of getting an abortion before the fifth month of her pregnancy. To suggest she should do so is a “war on women.” It’s an insult to women dressed up as “women’s rights.”

On ABC’s This Week, Peggy Noonan responded to the chants of “I stand with Wendy” by noting, “What she is ... standing for is something we would recognize as infanticide, late-term abortion, the taking of a little child’s life.” Standing for that is not heroic, and it is not something to be cheered.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ndy-davis.html
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if a guy can hand over 4 government computers full of classified intel to the Chinese and be called a hero, so can Davis
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You nicely prove Powers point..........
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Old 07-02-2013, 12:25 PM   #4
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On ABC’s This Week, Peggy Noonan responded to the chants of “I stand with Wendy” by noting, “What she is ... standing for is something we would recognize as infanticide, late-term abortion, the taking of a little child’s life.” Standing for that is not heroic, and it is not something to be cheered.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...ndy-davis.html
That is not wtf Davis is standing for.

20 weeks is doable, the closing down of most abortions clinics in the name of women's health is the lie Davis is standing up against.
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You nicely prove Powers point..........

she doesn't need to prove a point, she just drug the womens vote to her team

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Old 07-02-2013, 12:32 PM   #6
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Most women support the Texas reforms...........certainly most women think abortions after 20 weeks is infanticide and should be banned.

Obama and Davis are in the extreme on this issue.
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Most women support the Texas reforms...........certainly most women think abortions after 20 weeks is infanticide and should be banned.

Obama and Davis are in the extreme on this issue.
Actually late term abortion is rare.
AND you did not address the real question. The closing down of most clinics.

So what Perry and the GOP have done is a two step.

They close the majority of abortions clinics with new rules and the claim that Wendy Davis was protesting the 20 week limit.

Had all Perry tried to do was limit it to 20wks, I doubt there would be this outcry.

Brush up on the subject matter before bringing that half ass shit around here Whirly, you know I will dick slap you with your own BS. Bring all the facts!
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Most women support the Texas reforms...........certainly most women think abortions after 20 weeks is infanticide and should be banned.
that decision should be left up the woman and no one else
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Hogwash; provide the Wendy Davis quote of her saying she supports banning abortions after 20 weeks.................

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20 weeks is doable, the closing down of most abortions clinics in the name of women's health is the lie Davis is standing up against.
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That is not wtf Davis is standing for.

20 weeks is doable, the closing down of most abortions clinics in the name of women's health is the lie Davis is standing up against.
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Most women support the Texas reforms...........certainly most women think abortions after 20 weeks is infanticide and should be banned.

Obama and Davis are in the extreme on this issue.
We're not speaking of the after 20 week issue. What I'm against is forcing clinics, including many Planned Parenthoods, to close nearly all of their clinics because of the new rules that the Texas government wishes to put into place with regard to what those clinics will have to have to stay open.

It's a political ploy to close these places.

Haven't any of you read Freakonomics? Allowing abortion to remain legalized, regardless of your personal opinions and dogmas related to it, is a good thing for the economy and socially.

Going forward is good. Going backwards might feel comfortable but in this case, it's not a good thing.

I applaud the woman.
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Hogwash; provide the Wendy Davis quote of her saying she supports banning abortions after 20 weeks.................
I did not say she supports it, I said that is a secondary issue to her.

Provide for me the % of late term abortions.
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You said 20 weeks was doable, implying Davis supports that change to Texas law.......you saying she does or doesn't ? Which is it.
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You said 20 weeks was doable, implying Davis supports that change to Texas law.......you saying she does or doesn't ? Which is it.
She does not and I have heard her reason why. The law does not make exception for rape or incest or any other health issue after 20 weeks.

My question again is, "What are the % of abortions presently that are late term?"

Why would Perry put this 20 week ban with the other provisions that would shut down the majority of clinics if not to hide his true intentions. Which is not to ban abortion after 20 weeks but to ban abortion except for the very well off who can afford to travel for a abortion.
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Keep in mind, all of this is happening while the Kermit Gosnell trial is still fresh in every bodies mind.

After seeing what this monster was doing, the term "late term abortion" means killing a real live baby, not a clump of tissue. The sudden swing in people's attitude toward this is apparent in the latest polls. The biggest swing seems to be among women when it comes to abortions after 20 weeks.
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As you can see there it is not about right or wrong, morality versus immorality, life against death, mother against child,.....and politics. There are some real scumbags here that refuse to debate the topic. They call names, make snarky remarks, and support a person who stands outside the mainstream of American thought.

I would to see some people here just try to defend the idea of killing children without the politics. It is impossible in nearly every circumstance which is probably the reason for the stupidity and childish behavior.
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