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Old 01-16-2016, 11:43 PM   #1
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So an interesting situation has come up. I met this girl on SA that is in prison for a while... Nice girl, we have messaged back and forth a little. So all this time, maybe a couple weeks, I am sitting here wondering how the fuck she is getting on SA in jail. Then finally after a "sexual" comment I made on there, she mentioned that she doesn't actually get on SA. She calls her family, like her sons, and she tells them what to write on SA. So it finally makes sense, she actually isn't on the site. LOL So when I write something it goes to her sons, they tell her what was written and then she tells them what to reply with.

So that is the back story.... I don't hear from her for a while if she runs out of money to make calls....

Now here is the interesting/legal part. During one of my recent communications I mentioned that maybe she might have a "legal age" proxy that could stand in for her. I didn't know what to expect, was just throwing a line out there to see what happens. She mentions, ya, she has a cute niece that would give me BJs or more if I sent her money in prison. I assume she is of legal age and will check.

So... I doubt this is exactly legal, but like escort stuff it isn't illegal to have sex, and it isn't illegal to give a girl money. But mix the 2 then all the sudden it is a fucking retarded scenario. So I imagine it is legal to send money to her in jail, and this is surely monitored. But, they won't know what it is for, could be just a friend sending money right? Gotta keep the amounts low and random amounts for sure.

This girl better be hot and swallow or I am out. lol

I know I know, this is playing with fire...
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Old 01-17-2016, 07:39 AM   #2
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That's really stupid.
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Old 01-17-2016, 09:15 AM   #3
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Roy,
What's your legal question?
I ask because you didn't actually present a Q.

But, are your sure that you want the gal in prison and the guards to know who you are? Anonymous cash showing up for an inmate is a huge no-no. In addition, it's quite common that facilities do not allow prisoners to possess cash. And, although each facility has it's own rules, and there are differences, there's another common concept, and that is that the sender of funds will be specifically identified and a "reason" for the "contribution" to the prisoners jail house bank account (maintained by the facility) will be on record.

Last, regardless of whatever question could now be asked, MrThom has already provided the answer.
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Old 01-17-2016, 09:31 AM   #4
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Roy,
What's your legal question?
I ask because you didn't actually present a Q.

But, are your sure that you want the gal in prison and the guards to know who you are? Anonymous cash showing up for an inmate is a huge no-no. In addition, it's quite common that facilities do not allow prisoners to possess cash. And, although each facility has it's own rules, and there are differences, there's another common concept, and that is that the sender of funds will be specifically identified and a "reason" for the "contribution" to the prisoners jail house bank account (maintained by the facility) will be on record.

Last, regardless of whatever question could now be asked, MrThom has already provided the answer.

It goes to a credit system so they can buy better food and make more phone calls to the outside... Not really in pocket cash.

The actual question was implied and I don't think it is illegal to send funds to a stranger in jail... How would they know it isn't a boyfriend on the outside? Keeping the amounts low I think is important to stay under radar, they don't need that much to make their lives a little better. Sure it will be on record who sent the funds. But I can use an anonymous CC and name if needed.
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Old 01-17-2016, 09:44 AM   #5
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Why not just give the money to the proxy? ...then have her send the money (..after services provided of course).
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Old 01-17-2016, 09:49 AM   #6
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Why not just give the money to the proxy? ...then have her send the money (..after services provided of course).
Yep could definitely do that. At least most of the time to mix things up. It's all about staying under the radar I think. And if the proxy is good, might be fun times.
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Old 01-17-2016, 11:49 AM   #7
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Follow this deal to conclusion. Lifetime movie script in process.
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Old 01-17-2016, 06:43 PM   #8
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So an interesting situation has come up. I met this girl on SA that is in prison for a while... Nice girl, we have messaged back and forth a little. So all this time, maybe a couple weeks, I am sitting here wondering how the fuck she is getting on SA in jail. Then finally after a "sexual" comment I made on there, she mentioned that she doesn't actually get on SA. She calls her family, like her sons, and she tells them what to write on SA. So it finally makes sense, she actually isn't on the site. LOL So when I write something it goes to her sons, they tell her what was written and then she tells them what to reply with.

So that is the back story.... I don't hear from her for a while if she runs out of money to make calls....

Now here is the interesting/legal part. During one of my recent communications I mentioned that maybe she might have a "legal age" proxy that could stand in for her. I didn't know what to expect, was just throwing a line out there to see what happens. She mentions, ya, she has a cute niece that would give me BJs or more if I sent her money in prison. I assume she is of legal age and will check.

So... I doubt this is exactly legal, but like escort stuff it isn't illegal to have sex, and it isn't illegal to give a girl money. But mix the 2 then all the sudden it is a fucking retarded scenario. So I imagine it is legal to send money to her in jail, and this is surely monitored. But, they won't know what it is for, could be just a friend sending money right? Gotta keep the amounts low and random amounts for sure.

This girl better be hot and swallow or I am out. lol

I know I know, this is playing with fire...
you seem to have answered your own question. so take your own advice. RUN!

and it's not legal to give the proxy money for services.
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Old 01-17-2016, 07:39 PM   #9
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It goes to a credit system so they can buy better food and make more phone calls to the outside... .... Sure it will be on record who sent the funds. But I can use an anonymous CC and name if needed.
So yes, the facilities bank.
Anonymous CC/name? Let us know how that works out.
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Old 01-17-2016, 09:19 PM   #10
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So yes, the facilities bank.
Anonymous CC/name? Let us know how that works out.
ya, use an app called blur... Sure could probably be tracked down if it was a serious enough offence and they subpoenaed records... But we are just talking sending funds to an inmate. Really it happens all the time...
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Old 01-18-2016, 06:03 PM   #11
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My thoughts from reading this thread:
  1. With all the great prospects on SA, why the fuck is the OP trolling an inmate?
  2. An inmate pimping out her cousin for money is remarkably sleazy.
  3. The OP apparently lives in Kansas City, Kansas or Missouri, and I don't know the laws of either state. But in Texas, the arrangement would constitute prostitution under Texas state law. It doesn't matter who receives the money, as long as there's an offer or acceptance to trade money for sex. Engaging in prostitution with a sporting girl is one thing. Engaging in prostitution with an inmate is another. One thing is for sure: Ironbar Irene is in a place she doesn't want to be and will do whatever she can to get out, including giving LE information about crimes.
  4. This thread contains some TV or movie-based B.S. about inmate accounts. I wish hobbyists would refrain from writing about matters of which they know nothing. Example: When you put money on an inmate's book, you do NOT have to state a reason for it. (I can just imagine Yolanda writing, "So Darnell can buy him some honey buns.") Also, you do NOT send the inmate money, or a check, or gold doubloons in a gunny sack -- you normally make a deposit in the inmate's account electronically. The following is on the Texas Department of Criminal Justice's website (TDCJ calls the book a "trust fund," like inmates are frat boys or something):
"Several Trust Fund deposit options are now available and include:
  • Money Orders or Cashier's Checks
  • Monthly Checking Account Debit (ACH)
  • ACE – America's Cash Express
  • eCommDirect provided by Texas.gov
  • JPAY
  • TouchPay Payment System
  • Western Union Convenience Pay
  • Western Union Quick Collect"
See: http://www.tdcj.state.tx.us/division...ate_trust.html.

Mailed items go to a central trust fund management address, not the inmate's place of incarceration.

Obviously, anyone with half a brain can put money on an inmate's book and remain anonymous.
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Old 01-18-2016, 08:52 PM   #12
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You're making this harder than it needs to be. Pussy grows on trees. Why are you talking to a girl in prison when there are 100x as many *not* in prison?
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Old 01-19-2016, 10:41 AM   #13
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Don't listen to all these naysayers- the positives outweigh any potential negatives by a large margin. Make sure you let us know how it turns out. Another positive- should this not go well, you already have a pen pal.
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Old 01-19-2016, 01:30 PM   #14
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In Kansas State facilities, any funds received for which the sender can not be identified, goes into the forced savings account, only available at check out. Thus, funds are not available while a guest at the iron bar hotel. Note that funds can be garnished or otherwise impacted though.
This includes Jpay and other methods.
Jpay does forward depositor data.
The facility makes the rules and does take notice.
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Old 01-19-2016, 02:08 PM   #15
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So she's pimping her own niece from behind bars? Nice.
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