What's eccie's policy for dealing with LE requests?

[Geeky80]

I was just wondering what could happen if LE sent Eccie a Subpoena or Court Order or Search Warrant. What is Eccie’s policy for handling such requests? I can't even figure out who operates the website. Maybe they keep it anonymous for the purpose of not having to deal with LE requests? I see the IP traces to Amsterdam, Netherland, so i'm assuming they are proxing thru there to hide from LE?

[Analeese]

Interesting question..... Curious to see what kind of response you get....I'll be checking back here

[Unique_Carpenter]

Eccie's actual policy does not appear to be openly posted.

However, LEO does not have the resources to spend the time for that on misdemeanors. Note that court orders are required except for exigent circumstances (example: cell phone tracing in kidnapping cases). Nor would a judge sign for diddly stuff.

If LEO is actively tracking a felony case, yes they can easily get subpoenas from a judge.

Also, outfits that have received non specific "shopping" requests always run to higher level judges to cancel the requests, which does happen.

And the servers relocated elsewhere a couple years ago.
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In the real world, if lawyers have a wealthy client, yes they can get subpoenas for civil court cases (think copyright claims).
But again, folks worried about "future" misdemeanors really have nothing to worry about.
However, do not store data (old emails) online.

[Matt1141]

They really dont get to have a policy. If they are served with a lawful order or search warrant they legally must comply or risk serious legal penalty including arrest of the corporate officers (owners).
Guess what, an agency could get a court order for ongoing surveillance of Eccie and serve it on the host and not even inform Eccie. They could then monitor all the sites traffic. This is how the owner of Backpage was arrested actually.

[Billysilly]

http://reason.com/blog/2016/12/13/12...stitution-case There are men being charged for posting reviews and commenting on The Review Board in Washington. The FBI can easily figure out who and where everyone is located if they want to and a subpoena is not really necessary to get the information. This post will likely get removed or I get banned but the guy going on about this being a misdemeanor and they won't issue subpoenas could not be more foolish. Peace.

[Gotyour6]

They would fold like an umbrella

[tandyscone]

Originally Posted by Billysilly

http://reason.com/blog/2016/12/13/12...stitution-case There are men being charged for posting reviews and commenting on The Review Board in Washington. The FBI can easily figure out who and where everyone is located if they want to and a subpoena is not really necessary to get the information. This post will likely get removed or I get banned but the guy going on about this being a misdemeanor and they won't issue subpoenas could not be more foolish. Peace.

Reportedly TRB had 23000 members. 22 have now been charged. How do you think le picked those 22 out of 23000?

[Billysilly]

I don't know, but assume the ones picked had a large volume of reviews or possibly linked to escorts they thought were involved via trafficking. Could also have been random to try and make examples of people. We all run that risk and just hope LE has better things to do in our communities.

[Lincoln.F.Stern]

Originally Posted by Matt1141

They really dont get to have a policy. If they are served with a lawful order or search warrant they legally must comply or risk serious legal penalty including arrest of the corporate officers (owners).
Guess what, an agency could get a court order for ongoing surveillance of Eccie and serve it on the host and not even inform Eccie. They could then monitor all the sites traffic. This is how the owner of Backpage was arrested actually.

Not a lawyer and I imagine it would be a stretch but if the law could prove that Eccie promoted prostitution as well as "human trafficking" then a lot of hot buttons would be pushed. It would be a double edged sword as well. Quite possibly some high mucky mucks use Eccie in their city... and like Heidi Fleiss's black book.. last thing those types would want is to be named.

I am going to monitor this thread because a very GOOD question was asked

[Thickkumz90]

Good points

[Guest031419]

Use VPN

[Geeky80]

Some sites only keep/give the IP that the account was created from. If that's the case here, then there's no need to trust a VPN with my credit card or real IP.

If the FBI is after me, I'm fucked. But I have a standing chance against a small City PD and/or a private investigator. I'm not doing anything the FBI would raise an eyebrow at anyway.

About the "just a misdemeanor" argument, one of the eccie providers I've already seen got busted recently. Backpage girls get bused all the time. The websites that show recent arrests are full of prostitution arrests. How can that be?

[gladius82]

Backpage was accused of and found to have ads featuring underage girls. Which opened the door to all of the LE activity. It is now fashionable to go to extremes to "protect the children". This also generates positive PR for the LE agency. So they go bat shit crazy if they can prove there are underage providers on your board or where ever.
At least ECCIE providers are age verified....and the reason i only see Verified Providers.

[oldbutstillgoing]

Did you bother to actually read the whole thing? There is a lot more to the story than guys getting busted for reviews. That was only a small part of what got the guys in trouble. And while on the surface, it looks a lot like what we do, its not really. Its far more complicated.

Originally Posted by Billysilly

http://reason.com/blog/2016/12/13/12...stitution-case There are men being charged for posting reviews and commenting on The Review Board in Washington. The FBI can easily figure out who and where everyone is located if they want to and a subpoena is not really necessary to get the information. This post will likely get removed or I get banned but the guy going on about this being a misdemeanor and they won't issue subpoenas could not be more foolish. Peace.

[tandyscone]

Originally Posted by oldbutstillgoing

Did you bother to actually read the whole thing? There is a lot more to the story than guys getting busted for reviews. That was only a small part of what got the guys in trouble. And while on the surface, it looks a lot like what we do, its not really. Its far more complicated.

Are you sure about that? The vast majority of TRB members were likely participating like most of us do. I have little idea what goes on in the major metro areas where eccie is prevalent. I don't even know everything that goes on in my small geographical area.

With TRB, I think LE really thought that there was significant human trafficking going on, and probably had good reason to believe that. It turned out that it wasn't human trafficking, but since LE had invested so many resources into the investigation, they had to make some kind of bust, hence the misdemeanor charges of reviews being promoting prostitution.

While it may be that the exact circumstances behind TRB are not anywhere on Eccie, I think it is quite possible that, in some geographical area, someone has done something that has given LE reason to investigate, hoping for a big bust.

Having said all that, the OP is probably asking the wrong question. Eccie pays a hosting company to provide server resources to make the web site available. The server resources are in the Netherlands, but the hosting company is based in New York. So if LE is going to serve any kind of papers asking for access to Eccie website data, they are going to serve them against the hosting company. Eccie probably won't even know they are under investigation. How the law and reality would play out in such a situation, I have no idea, but it would be safest to assume that the hosting company will cooperate fully with LE. I have yet to read terms of service for that type of situation (and yes, I do read those kinds of things), that does not has some exclusion allowing the service to release data if unlawful activity is suspected.