Historian who predicted Trump's 2016 win also predicted his impeachment

[WTF]

https://www.msnbc.com/weekends-with-...nt-73604165926


He said it was too early to predict if the slimy SOB gets reelected. But that Clinton's impeachment certainly hurt Gore in 2000.




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[winn dixie]

Is this about cuntillarys emails or a benghazi thread?

[winn dixie]

Originally Posted by WTF

https://www.msnbc.com/weekends-with-...nt-73604165926


He said it was too early to predict if the slimy SOB gets reelected. But that Clinton's impeachment certainly hurt Gore in 2000.




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This fucker aint even close to Carnac the magnificent

[dilbert firestorm]

the historian does make a point about the after effects of impeachment.

Andrew Johnson lost in the democrat primary, one he prolly would have won if not for the impeachment. the democrat party at that time apparently were in the minority. so it had no effect on party elections and the republicans went on to have 20 year domination of both houses and executive.

Richard Nixon, he resigned instead of being impeached. but the effect was the same. the impeachment hearings did him in. Ford lost and there was a party blood bath as several republicans lost seats to democrats.

bill clinton, impeached in 2nd term. Republicans did lose some seats in the mid term. In 2000 election, Gore didn't win, nor did Dem party either.

as for Trump's reelection chances, post-impeachment, surviving one is not good. Goebbels maxim, "repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it to be the truth".

regarding impeachment politics, somebody is going get whacked at election time.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by dilbert firestorm

Ford lost and there was a party blood bath as several republicans lost seats to democrats.

bill clinton, impeached in 2nd term. Republicans did lose some seats in the mid term. In 2000 election, Gore didn't win, nor did Dem party either.

Neither Ford's loss nor Gore's was related to any "impeachment"!

The upcoming election is distinctly different, as are almost all.

Something that all should remember is the "choice of words" and their legal/Constitutional meaning and importance.

Another example: Withholding that which one has the legal authority to withhold for legitimate and authorized purposes is not "bribery" nor "extortion" nor "high crimes and misdemeanors (as "misdemeanors" were defined with the Constitution was crafted).

For clueless LOONS on here who keep ranting and bloviating the bile spewed by the IgnorantLameStreammedia ... "overparking" today is a "misdemeanor" offense. The papers preserved with respect to the authors of the U.S. Constitution furthermore reflect THEIR meaning of the word "Bribery" and the intent of the crafting of that phrase in the Constitution. It is not surprising that the worshipped Constitutinal Law Professor who recently occupied the White House hasn't addressed THOSE ISSUES ..... being an expert on all things "Constitutional" .... or was his admittance and graduation from Harvard ... a consequence of AFFIRMATIVE ACTION ...?

The Dunce Dems in Congress are creating unfortunate "precedence" by conducting secret hearings, restricted participation hearings, and broad, loose interpretations of the meaning and import of words in the U.S. Constitution and Federal criminal statutes. They record of their intent to engage in this folly is clear from 2016 to the present.

[friendly fred]

Originally Posted by LexusLover

Withholding that which one has the legal authority to withhold for legitimate and authorized purposes is not "bribery" nor "extortion" nor "high crimes and misdemeanors (as "misdemeanors" were defined with the Constitution was crafted).

For clueless LOONS on here who keep ranting and bloviating the bile spewed by the IgnorantLameStreammedia ... "overparking" today is a "misdemeanor" offense. The papers preserved with respect to the authors of the U.S. Constitution furthermore reflect THEIR meaning of the word "Bribery" and the intent of the crafting of that phrase in the Constitution. It is not surprising that the worshipped Constitutional Law Professor who recently occupied the White House hasn't addressed THOSE ISSUES ..... being an expert on all things "Constitutional" .... or was his admittance and graduation from Harvard ... a consequence of AFFIRMATIVE ACTION ...?

This should be stickied to the top of the forum - excellent post.

[oeb11]

=1 - agreed!

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by WTF

Historian who predicted Trump's 2016 win also predicted his impeachment


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and that's a remarkable prediction?

the dims have been frothing about impeachment for over three years

this guy and I have something in common, I predicted trump winning in 2016

it was obvious just from the voting lines in Floresville

predict the power ball numbers and i'll be impressed

[oeb11]

DPST's keep after "Impeachment" as they savoir for their 2020 plans.
We will see how that works out.

just like Russia collusion on CNN, is my prediction.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by oeb11

just like Russia collusion on CNN, is my prediction.

As has turned out, "Russia collusion" was the DNC + HillariousNoMore tactic beginning in 2015 to 2016 (depending on what documents to believe) and based upon the results the DNC got for their standard bearer for the Fall of 2016 they didn't get their money's worth.

Least anyone forget: The Obmaninable Administration knew about the Russians and the Ukrainians BEFORE the 2016 election, but did NOTHING ABOUT IT except begin a fake investigation into the Trump Campaign using fabricated documentation without mentioning anything about it to the Trump Campaign until AFTER THEY LOST THE ELECTION!!!!! The DimsWits paid for the documents!

Has EVERYONE forgotten when Trump made the accusation that the Trump Tower offices were being "bugged" or "eveasdropped" upon?

The current hoax investigation by the "Intelligence Committee" actually proves the pattern that has developed by the LOONS led by SchittFace and "Shroomer" ....

.... the DNC et al try one of their dirty tricks and when it fails or backfires they begin a campaign of accusing the opposition of engaging in the same behavior with which they sought to keep Trump from doing what he's doing!!! WINNING!!!

They are unconvincingly claiming their communications with the Russians and the Ukrainians was for the purpose of "investigating" Trump, his family, and friends so they have an excuse for being involved with the "enemy"(?) and then they stir up these fake cover-story investigations in a lame attempt to demonstrate the "validity" of their claims that "Trump did it"!

The identity of the "WhistleBlower" will be revealed and he (or she) will be interviewed and cross-examined UNDER OATH. The DimsWitts' entanglement with he or she will be revealed for the U.S. voters before September 2020.

All of these hoaxes, fake claims, and lies on the surface demonstrate the level of their disrespect for the U.S. voters' intelligence and their belief that the U.S. voters are stupid.

Take the posts in here as example: What purpose does it serve to post ignorant, stupid shit by them and repeat it? Does it change any minds? Does it demoralize the opposition? Does it affect votes? It's insulting. But it only reveals their true character.

[oeb11]

Agreed, LL

[LexusLover]

Watch the SocialistLiberalAntiTrumper posts in here after this:

Six U.S. Agencies Conspired to Illegally Wiretap Trump; British Intel Used as Front to Spy on Campaign for NSA
Posted on September 20, 2017 by Investigative Bureau

From the beginning it was a set up to find dirt on Trump campaign insiders and if possible to topple Donald Trump’s presidential aspirations.

Before and after the 2016 election. And while this operation had many moving parts and alternating players, the mission to unseat Trump never changed. And it remains ongoing.

Paul Manafort was wiretapped. Cater Page was wiretapped. Donald Trump Jr. was wiretapped. Jared Kushner was wiretapped. Gen. Michael Flynn was wiretapped. And likely there were others.


And none of it was very legal.

In fact, most of it was very illegal, according to federal law enforcement sources who are blowing the whistle on a sweeping scheme to undermine the Executive branch and the electorate’s choice for president of the United States.

And according to high ranking FBI sources, the Bureau played a definitive role in plotting this sweeping privacy breach. But the FBI had much help from the NSA, CIA, the Office of of the Director of National Intelligence, Treasury financial crimes division under DHS, and the Justice Department, federal law enforcement sources confirmed.


The Deep State caretakers involved are familiar names: James Comey (FBI), John Brennan (CIA), James Clapper (ODNI), Loretta Lynch (DOJ), Jeh Johnson (DHS), Admiral Michael Rogers (NSA). And then-director of GCHQ Robert Hannigan who has since resigned from the esteemed British spy agency.

President Barack Obama’s White House too could be implicated, sources said. But while evidence certainly points to involvement of the Obama administration, sources said they did not have access to definitive intelligence proving such a link.

Here is what we now know, per intelligence gleaned form federal law enforcement sources with insider knowledge of what amounts to a plot by U.S. intelligence agencies to secure back door and illegal wiretaps of President Trump’s associates:


Six U.S. agencies created a stealth task force, spearhead by CIA’s Brennan, to run domestic surveillance on Trump associates and possibly Trump himself.
To feign ignorance and to seemingly operate within U.S. laws, the agencies freelanced the wiretapping of Trump associates to the British spy agency GCHQ.
The decision to insert GCHQ as a back door to eavesdrop was sparked by the denial of two FISA Court warrant applications filed by the FBI to seek wiretaps of Trump associates.
GCHQ did not work from London or the UK. In fact the spy agency worked from NSA’s headquarters in Fort Meade, MD with direct NSA supervision and guidance to conduct sweeping surveillance on Trump associates.
The illegal wiretaps were initiated months before the controversial Trump dossier compiled by former British spy Christopher Steele.
The Justice Department and FBI set up the meeting at Trump Tower between Trump Jr., Manafort and Kushner with controversial Russian officials to make Trump’s associates appear compromised.
Following the Trump Tower sit down, GCHQ began digitally wiretapping Manafort, Trump Jr., and Kushner.
After the concocted meeting by the Deep State, the British spy agency could officially justify wiretapping Trump associates as an intelligence front for NSA because the Russian lawyer at the meeting Natalia Veselnitskaya was considered an international security risk and prior to the June sit down was not even allowed entry into the United States or the UK, federal sources said.
By using GCHQ, the NSA and its intelligence partners had carved out a loophole to wiretap Trump without a warrant. While it is illegal for U.S. agencies to monitor phones and emails of U.S. citizens inside the United States absent a warrant, it is not illegal for British intelligence to do so. Even if the GCHQ was tapping Trump on U.S. soil at Fort Meade.
The wiretaps, secured through illicit scheming, have been used by U.S. Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s probe of alleged Russian collusion in the 2016 election, even though the evidence is considered “poisoned fruit.”
Veselnitskaya, the Russian lawyer who spearheaded the Trump Tower meeting with the Trump campaign trio, was previously barred from entering the United Sates due to her alleged connections to the Russian FSB (the modern replacement of the cold-war-era KGB).

Yet mere days before the June meeting, Veselnitskaya was granted a rare visa to enter the United States from Preet Bharara, the then U.S. Attorney for the southern district of New York. Bharara could not be reached for comment and did not respond the a Twitter inquiry on the Russian’s visa by True Pundit.

Thomas Paine @Thomas1774Paine
Replying to @PreetBharara
Mr. Bharara, @PreetBharara Why did you sign off a rare visa allowing Ms. Veselnitskaya into the United States? She was banned by @StateDept

10:42 PM - Sep 19, 2017

Federal law enforcement sources said Bharara was simply following the orders of Attorney General Lynch, who lobbied the State Department to issue the disavowed Russian a B1/B2 non-immigrant visa. This permitted Veselnitskaya entry into the United States for the sole purpose of entrapping Trump associates to use as fuel to commission wiretaps, federal sources said.

Veselnitskaya may have been paid as well by the U.S. government, FBI sources said. It was reported last week that Steele, who compiled the Trump dossier was paid at least $100,000 from FBI funds as well. But that came later, after the wiretapping was well underway.

The illegal eavesdropping started long before Steele’s dossier. Federal sources said the wiretaps on Trump insiders began in late 2015, almost a year before the 2016 election. The targets then were Flynn and Page, sources confirmed. When no smoking gun was recovered from those initial taps, U.S. intelligence agencies moved to broaden the scope through their newly-formed alliance.

Intelligence garnered from the British eavesdropping, which again was merely a front for the NSA, was then used in August 2016 to secure a legitimate FISA warrant on Manafort, Trump Jr. and Kushner. That warrant was issued on or about September, 2016, federal sources confirm.

It was the third time the cabal of U.S. intelligence agencies sought a FISA warrant for the Trump associates and this time it was approved.

FBI sources said finally obtaining the FISA warrant was important because it provided the agencies cover for previous illegal wiretapping which they believed would never be discovered.

“This would make for an incredible string of Senate hearings,” one federal law enforcement source said. “I don’t think they ever thought he (Trump) would win and information would come out about how they manipulated evidence.”

22 bplionfan, Sep 20, 2017

[oeb11]

But But but but

Russian Collusion!!!!!

[Jackie S]

Originally Posted by oeb11

But But but but

Russian Collusion!!!!!

The sad part is 1/2 of the Country buys into the Democrat’s swill.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

The sad part is 1/2 of the Country buys into the Democrat’s swill.

According to whom?

It is apparent from a critical examination of the raw data that those interpreting the more recent polls have a bias "in favor" of ousting Trump from office PRIOR to the 2020 election or smearing him with an "indictment" aka "Impeachment" vote. As a consequence those LOONS have lumped into their interpretation a combined tally of those who are in favor of overturning the 2016 election by ousting Trump with those who want the DimsWits to continue with their farce right up to the 2020 election.

When one sorts out those responses who want the DimsWits to hang themselves for 2020 .... and end up ousting a bunch of those who ran on the "No Impeachment" plank in their publicity ..... the majority of the US voters are opposed to ousting Trump by Congressional action.

I will apply what I said about the Astros in February 2019:

"The only team who can beat the Astros is the Astros!"

To coin the phrase:

"The only candidate who can beat Trump in 2020 is Trump!"