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Old 11-15-2011, 10:54 PM   #1
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We've been sold a bill of goods. We seem to think that under Obamacare, everyone will get the care they need. Oh really? Check out who the President is appointing to positions that may have some say in the matter.

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Obama Nominee for Social Security Board Favors Rationing Health Care



4:17 PM, Nov 15, 2011 • By JEFFREY H. ANDERSON


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Is it just a coincidence that the people that President Obama nominates to fill high-level governmental posts tend to favor government-directed health care rationing? Last year, Obama nominated Donald Berwick to head Medicare and Medicaid. Now he’s nominated Henry J. Aaron to head the Social Security Advisory Board.



Berwick, to whom Obama issued a dubious recess appointment to circumvent the usual Senate confirmation, has become notorious for statements like, “The decision is not whether or not we will ration care — the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open” — and, in progressive-speak, “The social budget is limited.”
Aaron, a recent Obama nominee, has expressed similar views. He wrote a piece earlier this year called, “The Independent Payment Advisory Board — Congress's ‘Good Deed.’” The grisly IPAB, one of the most underreported of Obamacare’s myriad of liberty-sapping features, would have the power to cut Medicare spending each year — if Obamacare isn’t repealed first. The dictates of its 15 unelected members would effectively become law. In fact, Congress couldn’t even overturn the IPAB’s decrees with a majority vote in each house and the President’s signature.





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Obama has since doubled-down on the IPAB, seeking to grant it even more power to cut Medicare spending than Obamacare would grant it. To be clear, this is in addition to the nearly $1 trillion that the Congressional Budget Office says would be siphoned out of Medicare and spent on Obamacare during the overhaul’s real first decade (2014 to 2023).
Aaron praises the IPAB, although he does admit to having a few problems with it. He thinks that its largely unchecked power isn’t unchecked enough, as the board should be able to order payment reductions for other aspects of medical care that have so far escaped its statutory grant of power. He writes,
“I admit that the provisions governing the IPAB are less than optimal. For example, recommendations regarding payments to acute and long-term care hospitals, hospices and inpatient rehabilitation and psychiatric facilities are off-limits until 2020; and those to clinical laboratories are off-limits until 2016. These politically motivated restrictions should be repealed as early as possible so the IPAB’s recommendations can comprehend the delivery system as a whole.”
Aaron says that “the survival and strengthening of the IPAB is of critical importance.” In a sense, this is unsurprising, given his earlier views, which were captured in a Washington Post story published during the Reagan administration (when Aaron was in his late 40s). The Post article reads,
“If Americans are serious about curbing medical costs, they’ll have to face up to a much tougher issue than merely cutting waste, says Brookings Institution economist Henry J. Aaron.
“They’ll have to do what the British have done: ration some types of costly medical care — which means turning away patients from proven treatments.
“Cutting billions worth of ‘pure waste’ — in needless hospitalization, surplus beds, Cadillac-model machinery and superfluous tests — would only temporarily slow the growth in health spending, which now tops 10 percent a year, Aaron told a symposium sponsored by the American Academy of Physician Assistants last week in Reston.
“Eventually the ‘cornucopia of technology’ and America’s aging population will combine to drive up health costs by 6 or 7 percent a year anyway unless something else is done, he said.
“That ‘something else’ is what Aaron calls the ‘second stage’ of cost control. It’s a much more complex step, requiring choices that no one — doctor, patient or politician — likes to make.
“Aaron and Dr. William B. Schwartz, professor of medicine at Tufts University School of Medicine, recently completed a study of how these choices are made in Britain, a country which spends half as much per person as the United States on health care.
“Some medical services widely available in the United States are strictly rationed in Britain, Aaron and Schwartz report in their book, ‘The Painful Prescription.’ For example, British doctors order half as many X-rays per capita as their American counterparts, and use half as much film per X-ray. They do one-tenth as much coronary artery bypass surgery. British hospitals have one-sixth as many CAT scanners and less than one-fifth as many intensive care unit (ICU) beds....
“Half the patients with chronic kidney failure in Britain are left untreated — and die as a result….
“The key to the British system, they contend, lies not in regulation but in a different attitude toward medicine, mortality and the scarcity of resources.
“Unlike their American counterparts, who tend to believe in saving lives at all cost, British doctors define ‘what is best’ in terms of ‘what is available,’ Aaron said.
“As the director of a tiny 10-bed ICU in an 800-bed London hospital put it: ‘Yes, this would be too small in America. But if you took this unit and set it down in Sri Lanka or India, it would stick out like a sore thumb. It would be an obscene waste of money.’
“The burden of enforcing medical rationing in Britain falls mainly on doctors, who act as ‘gatekeepers’ in the system. They know funds for kidney dialysis are limited, so they simply don’t refer older patients for the life-saving treatment.
“Asked how he could turn away over-55 kidney patients from life-saving dialysis, one doctor told Aaron and Schwartz: ‘What you don’t seem to understand is that everybody over the age of 55 is a bit crumbly.’…
“It will be ‘a lot harder to move into this second stage of rationing in the U.S.,’ Aaron warned.
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take money out of medicare!!!!!!!!one of the main goals of Obamacare is to save money by not giving people over 55 medical care.....


A LOT OF YOU DUMBFUCKS SAY YOU LIKE PARTS OF OBAMACARE.....TELL US, WHICH PARTS DO YOU LIKE?
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take money out of medicare!!!!!!!!one of the main goals of Obamacare is to save money by not giving people over 55 medical care.....


A LOT OF YOU DUMBFUCKS SAY YOU LIKE PARTS OF OBAMACARE.....TELL US, WHICH PARTS DO YOU LIKE?
I like the part about not being denied coverage due to a pre- existing condition- surely you must like that Marshall- if ObamCare didn't have that clause than you would be denied coverage for being a mentally challenge idiot- Marshall now they won't deny you for being Trangenered- Marshall was born with female parts and doesn't know if he wants to be a man or a woman- go ahead and get the surgery to get those ovaries removed Marshall- under Obamacare that won't deny you.
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Man charged with burning cross in driveway




November 15, 2011 08:17:36 PM

CHRIS OLWELL / News Herald Writer

PANAMA CITY — A recent cross burning at the home of a Panama City mixed-race couple does not signal the resurgence of the Ku Klux Klan; it was the symptom of something understandable to anyone who’s ever been afraid of losing someone.
LB Williams, a 50-year-old black man, his wife of nearly seven years Donna Williams, who is white, and their bi-racial daughter found a cross burning in their driveway Nov. 4. Their grandchild was home too.
“When I saw that cross burning, I was scared to death,” Donna Williams said. “I was terrified…we all were.”
They called police and reported it. Her grandbaby still reports seeing fires outside the house, even when there are none. There’s a scar burned into the driveway in the shape of a cross, she said.
“It started out as a hate crime [investigation] based on the information that we had at the time,” said Sgt. Jeff Becker with the Panama City Police Department.
It was odd though; the investigator told Donna Williams that whoever left this symbol of hate and fear to burn in the driveway probably didn’t want to damage the lawn or burn down the house.
Two days later, Donna found a note taped to the front door and the side entrance of the house. She paraphrased:
“They were watching us, I assumed me and the kids, and that I better not leave that [N-word],” Donna Williams said. The note was signed “KKK.”
This was another odd development.
“When did the KKK start supporting black and white, interracial marriages?” she asked.
Police thought so too. On Monday, LB Williams admitted to setting the fire and posting the notes, according to the arrest affidavit charging him with two felonies: domestic violence stalking and exhibits that intimidate. He did it, he said, so she wouldn’t proceed with the divorce she filed for.
It started clicking for Donna Williams a few minutes after she found the notes. The handwriting wasn’t exactly the same, but it was close enough that she recognized it. It wasn’t a hate crime, but a love crime. But for days, her husband denied involvement in both incidents.
It’s hard to know what was going through LB Williams’ head, and he couldn’t be reached to answer the question. He was released from the Bay County Jail Tuesday with no bond. His daughter said he had left his cell phone at the house.
The cross and the notes were the desperate acts of a desperate man, Williams said. Police agreed. The fact that Williams was released from jail on two felonies without any bond might be a good indication of the danger he poses to the community (though he’s not allowed to go home, a standard condition of bond in domestic violence cases).
“He truly is a good man. He doesn’t drink, he doesn’t do drugs and he works like a dog,” Donna Williams said. “We just can’t be together.”



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I like the part about not being denied coverage due to a pre- existing condition- surely you must like that Marshall- if ObamCare didn't have that clause than you would be denied coverage for being a mentally challenge idiot- Marshall now they won't deny you for being Trangenered- Marshall was born with female parts and doesn't know if he wants to be a man or a woman- go ahead and get the surgery to get those ovaries removed Marshall- under Obamacare that won't deny you.
What you say about not being denied coverage for pre-existing conditions is true under the proposed new law. What it fails to disclose is that the price of that insurance will likely be triple or more what someone without a pre-existing condition will pay. I found this out when my company was trying to determine our insurance costs under the new bill.

We have about 2% of our employees with pre-existing conditions. Those 2% will be about 20% of our total health care costs. Plus, we have a "platinum" plan that we will be fined for. The best solution we have is to drop health care coverage including dental and eye. I think a lot of small and medium sized (between 10 and 1000) employees will drop insurance and let the government take over. The fines will only be about 10-15% of the costs. We are trying to work out some alternative form of compensation to the employees to make up for the loss of this benefit. Probably a combination of raises and additional paid time off.

This is two years away and a lot of companies are going to get caught with surprises at the end. If you own or run a business, I would start getting a lot of information now and prepare your employees.

It appears the only people who don't seem bothered are the large companies who can either a) get an exemption because they have lobbyists or donate to the Obama administration. or b) just absorb the costs and cut employee benefits and pay because the economy is so bad.

I try to explain to people that large businesses don't mind regulations because they can absorb the costs of compliance across a larger revenue stream.
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DUMBASS, MOST PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS ARE COVERED WHEN YOU HAVE EMPLOYER PROVIDED/SPONSORED HEALTH INSURANCE.......ODUMBO IS BEING DISINGENUOUS..........
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