Stevie since you're the resident democrat bible expert could ya help me out with this?

[LovingKayla]

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right.* but the heart of the fool inclines to the left."*
*
****************************** ****************************** ************************* Ecclesiastes 10:2* (NIV)


My poor southern heart just needs some clarity.

[Randy4Candy]

right = correct, not wing - nut, Glenna.

[I B Hankering]

To be right is to be correct; whereas, the left side is the sinister side.

Webster definition of SINISTER
1. archaic: unfavorable, unlucky
2. archaic: fraudulent
3. singularly evil or productive of evil
4. b: of ill omen by reason of being on the left
5. presaging ill fortune or trouble
6. accompanied by or leading to disaster

[LovingKayla]

But.... Why does the "left" mean wrong then? I'm so confused. Sniff (you r soooo right. I'll call Glenn first thing in the morning.)

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

To be right is to be correct; whereas, the left side is the sinister side.

Webster definition of SINISTER
1. archaic: unfavorable, unlucky
2. archaic: fraudulent
3. singularly evil or productive of evil
4. b: of ill omen by reason of being on the left
5. presaging ill fortune or trouble
6. accompanied by or leading to disaster

Yeah. That describes liberal philosophy pretty well. Thanks.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by LovingKayla

"The heart of the wise inclines to the right.* but the heart of the fool inclines to the left."*
*
****************************** ****************************** ************************* Ecclesiastes 10:2* (NIV)


My poor southern heart just needs some clarity.

Like so many Bible verses, it all depends on the translation. Here are two alternative translations which change the meaning.

A wise person's heart leads the right way. The heart of a fool leads the wrong way

A wise person chooses the right road; a fool takes the wrong one.

It's no longer right and left, but right and wrong. The modern day significance attached to the terms left and right are probably just coincidence.

Some Bible mistranslations are really important. A lot of Bible scholars believe that a better translation of Thou shalt not kill is probably thou shalt not murder. That's always made more sense to me.

Dennis Prager, who is fluent in Greek and Hebrew says that the Bible verse that says Man is made in the image of God should probably be Man is made in the shadow of God. The difference between image and shadow completely changes the meaning.

[CuteOldGuy]

Ok. So now we're debating New Testament greek, and the relative merits of Bible translations on a SHMB. I'm with Mark Twain, who said, "It's not the parts of the Bible I don't understand that bother me, it's the parts I DO understand!"

[essence]

I thought Eccesiastes was not in the bible?

[CuteOldGuy]

Yes, Ecclesiasties is in the Bible. Old Testament, in the poetry section next to Psalms.

[essence]

Woops, got muddled with Ecclesiasticus.

[I B Hankering]

New American Standard Bible

Ecclesiastes 1:

5 Also, the sun rises and the sun sets;
And hastening to its place it rises there again.

6 Blowing toward the south,
Then turning toward the north,
The wind continues swirling along;
And on its circular courses the wind returns.

7 All the rivers flow into the sea,
Yet the sea is not full.
To the place where the rivers flow,
There they flow again.

8 All things are wearisome;
Man is not able to tell it.
The eye is not satisfied with seeing,
Nor is the ear filled with hearing.

9 That which has been is that which will be,
And that which has been done is that which will be done.
So there is nothing new under the sun.

10 Is there anything of which one might say,
“See this, it is new”?
Already it has existed for ages
Which were before us.

11 There is no remembrance of earlier things;
And also of the later things which will occur,
There will be for them no remembrance
Among those who will come later still.

[JD Barleycorn]

You do know that Obama is left handed...just sayin...

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

Like so many Bible verses, it all depends on the translation. Here are two alternative translations which change the meaning.

A wise person's heart leads the right way. The heart of a fool leads the wrong way

A wise person chooses the right road; a fool takes the wrong one.

It's no longer right and left, but right and wrong. The modern day significance attached to the terms left and right are probably just coincidence.

Some Bible mistranslations are really important. A lot of Bible scholars believe that a better translation of Thou shalt not kill is probably thou shalt not murder. That's always made more sense to me.

I would agree with this. The Bible saying right or left is not a reference to political right or left as frequently stated by some.

[Munchmasterman]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

You do know that Obama is left handed...just sayin...

Just sayin' so are;
Harry S. Truman (1884-1972) 33rd
Gerald Ford (1913- ) 38th
Ronald Reagan (1911 - ) 40th
George H.W. Bush (1924- ) 41st
Bill Clinton
Ben Franklin
Joan of Arc (?), French heroine
Lloque Yapanqui (?), Inca monarch
Ramses II (?), Egyptian pharaoh
Tiberius (?), Roman emperor
Alexander the Great
Charlemagne, Holy Roman emperor
Julius Caesar, Roman general
Napoléon Bonaparte (?), French emperor
Josephine de Beauharnais
King Louis XVI of France
Queen Victoria of England
King George II of England
King George VI of England
Prince Charles of England
Prince William of England
Henry Ford
Carl Philipp Emanuel Bach, composer
David Byrne (Talking Heads)
Glen Campbell
Vicki Carr
Natale Cole
Kurt Cobain (Nirvana)
Phil Collins (Genesis)
Billy Corgan (Smashing Pumpkins)
Dick Dale (guitarist)
Don Everly (The Everly Brothers)
Phil Everly (The Everly Brothers)
Bela Fleck, jazz musician
Glenn Frey (the Eagles)
Eric Gale, guitarist
Noel Gallagher (Oasis) (?)
Errol Garner, jazz pianist
Judy Garland
Crysal Gayle
Kevin Griffin, guitarist & lead singer (Better than Ezra)
Thomas Hedley, vocalist/musician
Jimi Hendrix
Isaac Hayes
Tony Iommi, guitarist (Black Sabbath)
Albert King, guitarist
Melissa Manchester
Chuck Mangione, trumpet
Martina McBride ?, country music singer
Paul McCartney (the Beatles; Wings)
Christie Marie Melonson (opera)
George Michael (Wham!)
Peter Nero, conductor
Joe Perry ? (Aerosmith)
Robert Plant (Led Zepplin)
Cole Porter, song-writer
Sergei Rachmaninoff ?, composer
Maurice Ravel ?, composer
Lou Rawls
John Lydon a.k.a. Johnny Rotten (Sex Pistols / Public Image Ltd.)
Rich Szabo, trumpeter
Seal
Ringo Starr (?) (the Beatles)
Paul Simon (Simon & Garfunkel)
Tiny Tim
Rudy Valee
Lenny White, drummer
Paul Williams, song-writer
Left-Handed Artists
Albrecht Dürer
M.C. Escher
Hans Holbein
Paul Klee
Michelangelo
LeRoy Neiman
Raphael
Leonardo da Vinci (RH paralyzed?)
Left-Handed Actors
Don Adams
Dan Aykroyd
Eddie Albert
Tim Allen
June Allyson
Harry Anderson
Amitabh Bachchan, Indian actor
Herschel Bernardi
Robert Blake
Matthew Broderick
Bruce Boxleitner
Carol Burnett
George Burns, comedian
Ruth Buzzi, comedienne
Keith Carradine
Khaled Chahrour, Egyptian actor
Charlie Chaplin
George Gobel, comedian
Chuck Conners
Hans Conreid
James Cromwell
Tom Cruise
Quinn Cummings
Daniel Davis
Bruce Davison
Matt Dillon
Marty Engles, comedian
Olivia de Havilland
Robert DeNiro
Michael Dorn
Fran Drescher, comedian
Richard Dreyfuss
W.C. Fields
Larry Fine ? (of the Three Stooges)
Peter Fonda
Greta Garbo
Terri Garr
Paul Michael Glaser
Whoopie Goldberg
Betty Grable
Cary Grant
Peter Graves
Mark Hamill
Rex Harrison
Goldie Hawn
Joey Heatherton
Tippi Hedren
Jim Henson, puppetteer
Kermit the Frog
Rock Hudson
Angelina Jolie
Shirley Jones ?
Gabe Kaplan
Danny Kaye
Diane Keaton
George Kennedy
Nicole Kidman
Lisa Kudrow
Michael Landon
Hope Lange
Joey Lawrence
Peter Lawford
Cloris Leachman
Hal Linden
Cleavon Little
Shirley MacLaine
Andrew McCarthy
Kristy McNichol
Steve McQueen
Howie Mandel, comedian
Marcel Marceau, mime
Harpo Marx
Marsha Mason
Mary Stuart Masterson
Anne Meara, comedian
Sasha Mitchell
Marilyn Monroe
Robert Morse
Anthony Newley
Kim Novak
Ryan O'Neal
Sarah Jessica Parker
Estelle Parsons
Anthony Perkins
Ron Perlman
Luke Perry
Bronson Pinchot
Joe Piscopo, comedian
Robert Preston
Michael J. Pollard
Richard Pryor, comedian
Robert Redford
Keanu Reeves
Don Rickles, comedian
Julia Roberts
Mickey Rourke
Eva Marie Saint
Telly Savalas
Jean Seberg
Jerry Seinfeld, comedian
Christian Slater
Dick Smothers, comedian
Brent Spiner
Slyvester Stallone ?
Terence Stamp
Jessica Steen
Rod Steiger
Alan Thicke
Terry Thomas, comedian
Emma Thompson
Rip Torn
Peter Ustinov
Brenda Vaccaro
Karen Valentine
Rudy Vallee
Dick Van Dyke
Graham Walker a.k.a. Grumbleweeds, English comedian
Wil Wheaton
James Whitmore
Treat Williams
Bruce Willis
William Windom
Oprah Winfrey
Mare Winningham
Joanne Woodward
Keenan Wynn
Stephanie Zimbalist
Left-Handed Athletes
SOCCER
Jans van Breukelen (soccer)
Dan Burbott (?) (soccer)
Johan Cruyff (soccer)
Willem van Hanegem (soccer)
Hernan Medford (soccer)
Pelé -Edson Arantes do Nascimento (soccer)
Diego Armando Maradona (soccer)
Romario (soccer)
Hugo Sanchez (soccer)
Richard Witschge (soccer)
CRICKET
Alan Border (cricket)
Alistair Campbell (cricket)
Denis Compton (cricket)
Saurav Ganguly (cricket)
David Gower (cricket)
Gary Sobers (cricket)
OLYMPIC SPORTS
Francis X. Gorman (diving)
Greg Louganis (diving)
Mark Spitz (swimming)
Bruce Jenner (decathlon)
Nikita Kohloff (wrestling)
Dorothy Hamill (skating)
GOLF
Bonny Bryant (golf)
Bob Charles (golf)
Russ Cochran (golf)
Connie Decker (golf)
NOT Ben Hogan (golf), who is included on many published lists
FENCING
Cécile Argiolas (fencing)
Laura Flessel-Colovic (fencing)
Fabrice Gazin (fencing)
Matthieu Gourdain (fencing)
Fabrice Jeannet (fencing)
Giuseppe Mangiarotti (fencing)
Hugues Obry (fencing)
Anne-Lise Touya (fencing)
Adeline Wuilleme (fencing)
CYCLING
Thomas Voeckler (French), cyclist
HOCKEY
Tom Barrasso
Phil Esposito
Cam Neely
Terry Sawchuk
Roman Turek
BOWLING
Bill Allen (bowling)
Patrick Allen (bowling)
Earl Anthony (bowling)
Mike Aulby (bowling)
Steve Cook (bowling)
Patty Costello (bowling)
Dave Davis (bowling)
Cara Honeychurch (bowling)
Tish Johnson (bowling)
Johnny Petraglia (bowling)
Andy Varipapa (bowling)
BILLARDS
Steve Mizerak, Jr. (billiards)
Kun-Fang Lee (billiards)
Bonnie Arnold (billiards)
Reynaldo Grandee (billiards)
BADMINTON
Erik Poul Hoejer (badminton)
Peter Rasmussen (badminton)
Donna Stacey (netball)
BOXERS
Carmen Basilio (boxing)
James "Gentleman Jim" Corbett (boxing)
Marvin Hagler (boxing)
Oscar de la Hoya (boxing)
Reggie Johnson (boxing)
Rafael "Bazooka" Limon (boxing)
Freddie Miller (boxing)
Jacker Patterson (boxing)
Pernell "Sweet Pea" Whitaker (boxing)
DRIVERS
Johnny Herbert (Formula 1 driver)
Terry Labonte (NASCAR race car driver)
Ayrton Senna (Formula 1 driver)
Karl Wendlinger (Formula 1 driver)
Valentino Rossi (motorcycle racer)
AMERICAN FOOTBALL
Frankie Albert (Am.football)
Terry Baker (Am.football)
Mark Brunell (quarterback)
Bobby Douglass (Am.football)
Norman "Boomer" Esiason (Am.football)
Jim Del Gaizon (Am.football)
David Humm (Am.football)
Paul McDonald (Am.football)
Scott Mitchell (Am.football)
Gayle Sayers (Am.football)
Allie Sherman (Am.football, coach)
Kenny Stabler (Am.football)
Steve Young (Am.football)
Jim Zorn (Am.football)
BASKETBALL
Nate Archibald (basketball)
Walter Berry (basketball)
Larry Bird (basketball)
Adrian Branch (basketball)
Calbert Cheaney (basketball)
Dave Cowens (basketball)
Adrian Dantley (basketball)
Charles "Lefty" Driesell (basketball)
Mark Eaton (basketball)
Nick Van Exel (basketball)
Gail Goodrich (basketball)
Ron Kellogg (basketball)
Toni Kukoc (basketball)
Bob Lanier (basketball)
Brad Lohaus (basketball)
Harold Minor? (basketball)
Dick Motta (basketball)
Chris Mullen (basketball)
Sam Perkins (basketball)
Digger Phelps (basketball)
Willis Reed (basketball)
Guy Rodgers (basketball)
Bill Russell (basketball)
Wayman Tisdale (basketball)
Bill Walton (basketball)
Lenny Wilkins (basketball)
Manuel Zuleta (basketball)
TENNIS
Kenneth Carlsen (tennis)
Jimmy Connors (tennis)
Norman Brookes (tennis)
Courtney De Mone (tennis)
Guy Forget (tennis)
Andres Gomez (Santos) (tennis)
Goran Ivanesivic (tennis)
Rod Laver (tennis)
Henri LeConte (tennis)
John McEnroe (tennis)
Thomas Muster (tennis)
Martina Navratilova (tennis) - ambidexterous
Manuel Orantes (tennis)
Niki Pilic (tennis)
Renee Richards (tennis)
Marcello Chino Rios (tennis)
Monica Seles (tennis)
Roscoe Tanner (tennis)
Guillermo Vilas (tennis)
Mark Woodforde (tennis)
BASEBALL
Steve Carlton ? (pitcher)
Whitey Ford (pitcher)
Paul Gibson (pitcher)
Lefty Grove (pitcher)
Ron Guidry (pitcher)
Al Habrosky (pitcher)
Steve Howe (pitcher)
Bruce Hurst (pitcher)
Carl Hubbell (pitcher)
Randy Johnson (pitcher)
Tommy John (pitcher)
Bob Kipper (pitcher)
Joe Magrane (pitcher)
Greg Swindell (pitcher)
Brady Anderson (baseball)
Steve Avery (baseball)
Harold Baines (baseball)
Barry Bonds (baseball)
Wade Boggs ? (baseball)
Lou Brock (baseball)
Brett Butler (baseball)
Will Clark (baseball)
Ty Cobb (baseball)
Adrian Dantley (basketball)
Lenny Dykstra (baseball)
John Franco (baseball)
Tom Glavine (baseball)
Lefty Gomez (baseball)
Leon "Goose" Goslin (baseball)
Ken Griffey, Jr. (baseball)
Tony Gwynn (baseball)
Rickey Henderson (baseball)
Kent Hrbek (baseball)
"Shoeless" Joe Jackson (baseball)
Reggie Jackson (baseball)
David Justice (baseball)
Wally Joyner (baseball)
Sandy Koufax (baseball)
John Kruk (baseball)
Kenny Lofton (baseball)
Fred Lynn? (baseball)
Kevin Maas (baseball)
John McGras (baseball)
Fred McGriff (baseball)
Heinie Manush (baseball)
Dave Martinez (baseball)
Don Mattingly (baseball)
Jackie Mitchell (baseball)
Stan Musial (baseball)
Troy O'Leary (baseball)
Paul O'Neil (baseball)
John Olerud (baseball)
Mel Ott (baseball)
Rafael Palmeiro (baseball)
Dan Pasqua (baseball)
Babe Ruth (baseball)
"Neon" Deion Sanders (baseball/Am.football)
Warren Spahn (baseball)
Casey Stengel (baseball)
Darryl Strawberry (baseball)
Lou Whitaker (baseball)
Ted Williams (baseball)
Fernando Valenzuela (baseball)
Tommy Lasorda (baseball manager)

[i'va biggen]

Damn you left out Phil Mickelson