A Sobering Thought as You Drink on Independence Day

[CuteOldGuy]

The Department of Homeland Security has identified numerous characteristics that define a terrorist. Just a few:

- Americans who believe their “way of life” is under attack;

- Americans who are “fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation)”;

- People who consider themselves “anti-global” (presumably those who are wary of the loss of American sovereignty);

- Americans who are “suspicious of centralized federal authority”;

- Americans who are “reverent of individual liberty”;

- People who “believe in conspiracy theories that involve grave threat to national sovereignty and/or personal liberty.


If these are characteristics of terrorists, and the NDAA allows the President to indefinitely detain suspected terrorists or their collaborators, it looks like the door is wide open.



Here's the article. Read the embedded link to the official DHS documents.



http://www.infowars.com/homeland-sec...as-terrorists/


If you are thinking we are becoming a police state, you're wrong.


We are one.

[joe bloe]

They could abreviate the list and just say conservatives. Bill Ayers says they'll have to kill twenty five million of the most stubborn after they take over. Hell, compared to Mao and Stalin, that's not too bad!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWMIwziGrAQ

[cowboy8055]

I don't think that asshole Bill Ayers would like me too much which is a good thing. I imagine I would be on his list of people to get rid of.

[essence]

CoG, you have posted some facts (but I may need to check the accuracy).

If I were you, I would be very afraid, you fail every single one of those tests.

Of course the tests are stupid (does that make me a terrorist?).

Aha - I've read the report

http://start.umd.edu/start/publicati...STerrorism.pdf

and now see that the article and CoG have completely lied (again). It is an interesting report.

They identify groups:

- extreme right wing
- extreme left wing
- religious (islamic extremists or christian reconstructuralists are mentioned)
- ethno nationalist/separatist
- single issue groups

This seems like stating the complete fucking obvious, but that's OK, somebody has to check out common sense.

So you're lucky, CoG, they may not be coming to get you quite yet.

[essence]

I think i understand the problem.

The writers of the article (as opposed to the report) and CoG do not understand the meaning of the words

'and'

and

'also'

and

'may'


So the group definitions start with a description (they are such and such and such and such and such), and carry on to give more indications (they may also be such and such).

It is called logic, group theory, you may have missed classes in Venn diagrams when you were at school.


To take one example, the report talks about

Extreme Right-Wing: groups that believe that one’s personal and/or national “way of life” is under attack and is either already lost or that the threat is imminent (for some the threat is from a specific ethnic, racial, or religious group), and believe in the need to be prepared for an attack either by
participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism. Groups may also be fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation), anti-global, suspicious of centralized federal authority, reverent of individual liberty, and believe in conspiracy theories that involve grave threat to national sovereignty and/or personal liberty.

CoG has ignored the clause:

and believe in the need to be prepared for an attack either by
participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism.

and doesn't understand the significance of the word 'and'.

[i'va biggen]

Wow from the headline of your thread I thought it was about drunk drivers.No two threads same subject. Dementia?

[Doove]

Originally Posted by essence

To take one example, the report talks about

Extreme Right-Wing: groups that believe that one’s personal and/or national “way of life” is under attack and is either already lost or that the threat is imminent (for some the threat is from a specific ethnic, racial, or religious group), and believe in the need to be prepared for an attack either by
participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism. Groups may also be fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation), anti-global, suspicious of centralized federal authority, reverent of individual liberty, and believe in conspiracy theories that involve grave threat to national sovereignty and/or personal liberty.

Come on, admit it....you made that part all up.

[Sidewinder]

No, Doovus, he did not make that part all up.

It is a direct quote from "Profiles of Perpetrators of Terrorism - United States (PPT-US)", January 30, 2012 version, from the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism, "a Center of Excellence of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security based at the University of Maryland". The quote appears in the middle of page 26.

You can find a PDF of the report, if your Google Fu is strong enough. Scribd has it, for one place.

[IIFFOFRDB]

Originally Posted by Doove

Come on, admit it....you made that part all up.

"Fiercely Nationalistic", guess that leaves you out Douchee...and a bunch of others...fuckem

[Guest040616]

I'm now convinced, StupidOldFart is scared of his own friggin' shadow.

He's nothing but a big ol' crybaby!

WAHWAHWAHWAHWAH

I believe SOF and Rush need to defect to Damascus and join the Syrian Army! The sooner the better! As an added bonus, I am still willing to pay their one way ticket to get the hell out of Wichita, Dodge City, Bumfuk or wherever the hell they are from! Then Assad's Army will have on their front lines a big, fat blowhard (with a pain killer addiction) and a mealy-mouthed wuss (with a WAHWAHWAH addiction)!

[IIFFOFRDB]

Originally Posted by bigtex

I am absolutely convinced, StupidOldFart is scared of his own friggin' shadow.

WAHWAHWAHWAHWAH

I'm convinced he's a Ben and you are a Benadict...