Are there outcall LEs?

[rocket_newbie]

Just wondering if any of you have heard of stings where LEs will respond to a client inquiry and go to their residence to make the bust?

[Guest102513-1]

Never have heard of that type of activity

Just not worth their time...unless they have info that more than hobby stuff will be at the residence

[acp5762]

Originally Posted by rocket_newbie

Just wondering if any of you have heard of stings where LEs will respond to a client inquiry and go to their residence to make the bust?

Well I have to say I've thought about that myself. But LE would have to deal with some limitations that would really cause them some legal problems. First of all when they do a sting at a Hotel Room. They often times have CC Cameras set up in the room so they can legally document the interaction between the UC Decoy and the client. Once they get what they want they spring into action. At a private residence they won't have that luxury and your front door hopefully is locked and they can't just bust in and arrest you with out a warrant. Further they have to battle with your word against theirs. Certainly to many factors they don't want to deal with. They do drug stings in this matter but thats a different matter and easier to establish Probable Cause to arrest you. Anyway I would still be cautious when inviting anyone to your home.

[Torqueman]

Originally Posted by acp5762

Well I have to say I've thought about that myself. But LE would have to deal with some limitations that would really cause them some legal problems. First of all when they do a sting at a Hotel Room. They often times have CC Cameras set up in the room so they can legally document the interaction between the UC Decoy and the client. Once they get what they want they spring into action. At a private residence they won't have that luxury and your front door hopefully is locked and they can't just bust in and arrest you with out a warrant. Further they have to battle with your word against theirs. Certainly to many factors they don't want to deal with. They do drug stings in this matter but thats a different matter and easier to establish Probable Cause to arrest you. Anyway I would still be cautious when inviting anyone to your home.

Back in the 70's and 80's, before all the cameras and electronic evidence, vice used to regularly bust Agency's off the yellow pages..

They would keep it out of the news for a few weeks and have the phones transferred to the vice office. A female vice officer would answer and set appointments.

Hotels were the target, homes not so much for the aforementioned reasons.. This was real common before big conventions and shows like the OTC when it was huge..

[i812-)]

If there are enough compliants they will. http://www.fox16.com/news/local/stor...A.cspx?rss=315

[Guest102513-1]

Totally agree with acp5762...it's not LE that you should worry about bringing to your resident. But potential flaky providers and their "friends", those are the ones you need to be careful about.

[Queen_Killee_Francois]

when i was visiting Fayetteville, Arkansas I had a client tell me that hs buddy was busted using BP. He said that his buddy got a room and called a gal from BP she showed up to his hotel, he handed her a envelope and then she let the cops in the room to arrest him. The gal that was posted was a LE or affiliated. I was told that in her ad she used pics where she was mostly covered. IDK

[Mariah Moore]

great thread

[atlcomedy]

Originally Posted by vkmaster

Totally agree with acp5762...it's not LE that you should worry about bringing to your resident. But potential flaky providers and their "friends", those are the ones you need to be careful about.

Agreed. Not all of us have flexibility around our living arrangements but a set up where there is security (e.g. a building where one needs key card elevator access is ideal) is much better than say a single family home where "friends" can walk right up.

Originally Posted by i812-)

If there are enough compliants they will. http://www.fox16.com/news/local/stor...A.cspx?rss=315

Yes but the story you cite is an "incall" situation. He visits her. This thread is about "outcalls." She visits him.

That said I'm surprised more high volume "incalls" in neighborhoods or apartment complexes don't get busted by nosy neighbors. Any place with that many short term visitors is engaged in one of two enterprises and neither of them are legal.

[FK]

I don't know if I've ever heard of this scenario either, but this website is a great resource when your looking for the common denominator in stings and busts. So far, I've found by reading this website that there really isn't one and L E can write up what happened however they want to.

www.escortdrama.com

The above website is a compilation of surveys provided by escorts who have been busted. Not the exact same scenario, but a very enlightening website anyways.

[Guest121212]

I have not heard of LE posing as an Escort or provider and entering a private residence to effect an arrest or make a citation related solely to this endeavor . . . agreed that it would be much too risky for the officer and lack of reliable surveillance would be an issue . . . now, I have heard of overzealous vice officers placing GPS units on the vehicle of an Escort or provider (which is completely legal) and making life hell for the client after the fact or attempting to arrest / hassle the lady as she leaves a call in the hope that she will roll on the client . . but as for a LEO dressing up and entering a private residence posing as an Escort or provider, that is just probably NOT going to happen in and of itself as a "sting".

Isolated incidents similar to the one described in Arkansas above have been known to happen from time to time with ladies acting as informants . . but USUALLY (in many jurisdictions) the confidential informant / cooperating witness' actions are under some kind of judicial review or directive, and they (the judiciary) doesn't usually like such chances being taken with one's safety. If you walk in to someone's home and pull a sting there, you never know what you might encounter. If they (LE) REALLY want the client though (usually for other charges) they might use a CI/CW to enter and subsequently let them (LE) in - but they would have to have advance notice of the appt. taking place, etc. - not an easy thing to set up without an intensive investigation being already active. For what is in most all jurisdictions a simple misdemeanor, they aren't going to put someone (especially one of their officers) in that much jeopardy. Too many unknown variables.

Be safe!

Kisses,

- Jackie

[Shackleton]

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=48523. Check post #7 in particular.

Before I didn't think it ever happened. Now, I'd say it's extremely unlikely, but not impossible.

[Guest121212]

Originally Posted by Shackleton

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=48523. Check post #7 in particular.

Before I didn't think it ever happened. Now, I'd say it's extremely unlikely, but not impossible.

Wow. I'm freaking floored. That is just SCARY. But, I don't put anything past Oklahoma LEOs.

They worked (booked) it as a double (as mentioned in the probable cause warrant that is available online, most obviously doing so for safety reasons, and there were multiple officers waiting outside that assisted in the arrest according to that charging document) and actually pulled it off . . . I can't find any other example from that area (at least one newsworthy) from that specific time frame or since . . I wonder if this was a proof of concept / "shock them straight" type of an arrest, done specifically for publicity to curb an issue. I really can't see that it would be repeated by most any department that valued their officer's safety - also, it seems very cost prohibitive, you're not getting a lot of "bang for your buck / budget" and you're committing a lot resources into going mobile, possibly miles across town with no advance intel on the location, which has to be figured in the cost / benefit analysis. I guess the moral of the story is don't have a double come to your home in Oklahoma if the ladies are an "unknown quantity". Also, if I read this correctly, this was an incall sting that LE had active and he invited them over after declining to go to them - they may have gone fishing with their sting and had no bites and needed to put someone in jail for appearances . . . because WOW, that takes BALLS (and IMHO it is reckless) OR - it may be that as this a very well known gentleman in OKC (self-employed as, among other things, a concert promoter - a high profile "target of opportunity"), and they wanted to drive home a point and went to him specifically when he called (or he was on their radar from something else and they took an opportunity to make the arrest in his home to look for "more"). No matter the motivation, it is just . . WOW.

I remember several instances where LEOs (decoys) were injured after getting into vehicles during street stings for prostitution when the arrest was attempted; I know of one officer being killed - several suffered life altering injuries. And, I have heard of (but never substantiated) other instances of decoys being killed in vehicles, similarly. I would think that activities such as this (entring a private home in this manner) might be even more dangerous for the officers involved. Just my 2 cents.

Thanks for the link / info. I may be rapidly approaching the time in my life where I can say I've seen it all . . . I'm picking my jaw up off the desk.

Kisses,

- Jackie

[MsElena]

Originally Posted by Shackleton

http://www.eccie.net/showthread.php?t=48523. Check post #7 in particular.

Before I didn't think it ever happened. Now, I'd say it's extremely unlikely, but not impossible.

Jackie took the words out of mouth, now I've seen it all. Well, hats off to LE for being creative and booking it as a double.

Something new for guys to look out for huh?

[acp5762]

All in all if you invite a girl to your home and she agrees and outcalls are something she generally will do, I would say you are pretty much ok. I've had a few girls come to my home. The chances of her being affiliated with LE are very slim. But on the few instances where I've had them come to me I was very direct when asking them if they drove themselves. I really don't want someone hanging around my driveway or dropping off and picking them up. It could look kinda obvious to any neighbors that might notice.