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Old 01-30-2016, 08:28 AM   #1
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Default Does Donald Trump realize that he just screwed up?

Or is he telling the exact truth and his followers don't understand?

Donald Trump has accused Ted Cruz of being born outside the United States. This is true. Legal experts have discussed the meaning of the phrase "natural born citizen", this is where you insert the joke about being born C section. Anyway, Trump is concluding that Cruz is actually a Canadian before he became an American. Follow? So now Trump is calling Cruz an anchor baby, an anchor baby for Canada. This is important legally. An anchor baby is a baby of a different nationality that is born in a host country and automatically becomes a citizen of that country.

From this attacks Trump is saying that Cruz is a different nationality than Canadian or he couldn't be an anchor baby. If Cruz is not a nature born Canadian, what is he? His father was from Cuba but had fled so he's not Cuban. Cruz's mother was a United States citizen and the only possible nationality Cruz can be (from Donald Trump's description) is a US citizen. So Donald Trump himself has made the determination. You have to be natural born somewhere. Did Trump lie when he made the original statement or was it just politics? Trump did say that he didn't think that Cruz was Canadian, so he knew he was an American?

Trump may be a great businessman but he is not a lawyer.





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Old 01-30-2016, 10:41 AM   #2
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It doesn't matter if he screws up!

He could shoot Assup and I would still vote for him anyway!!
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Old 01-30-2016, 11:58 AM   #3
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That leaves more president for us...
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Old 01-30-2016, 07:55 PM   #4
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Well, if he shot Assup I may have to vote for him too.
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That leaves more president for us...

What ever you can, Urinal Lips...


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Or is he telling the exact truth and his followers don't understand?

Donald Trump has accused Ted Cruz of being born outside the United States. This is true. Legal experts have discussed the meaning of the phrase "natural born citizen", this is where you insert the joke about being born C section. Anyway, Trump is concluding that Cruz is actually a Canadian before he became an American. Follow? So now Trump is calling Cruz an anchor baby, an anchor baby for Canada. This is important legally. An anchor baby is a baby of a different nationality that is born in a host country and automatically becomes a citizen of that country.

From this attacks Trump is saying that Cruz is a different nationality than Canadian or he couldn't be an anchor baby. If Cruz is not a nature born Canadian, what is he? His father was from Cuba but had fled so he's not Cuban. Cruz's mother was a United States citizen and the only possible nationality Cruz can be (from Donald Trump's description) is a US citizen. So Donald Trump himself has made the determination. You have to be natural born somewhere. Did Trump lie when he made the original statement or was it just politics? Trump did say that he didn't think that Cruz was Canadian, so he knew he was an American?
So, Cruz can't be Cuban because his father "fled" Cuba to go to Canada. But he can be American even though his mother "fled" the US to go to Canada?

Is that your analysis?
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More like urinalysis...
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So, Cruz can't be Cuban because his father "fled" Cuba to go to Canada. But he can be American even though his mother "fled" the US to go to Canada?

Is that your analysis?
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Old 01-31-2016, 06:37 AM   #9
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So, Cruz can't be Cuban because his father "fled" Cuba to go to Canada. But he can be American even though his mother "fled" the US to go to Canada?

Is that your analysis?

HUH? My analysis based on the words of Donald J. Trump are this; Cruz cannot be Cuban because his father cut off all ties when he fled Castro and asked for asylum. Cruz's mother was and is an American citizen. Trump said that Cruz is an anchor baby IN CANADA which means Cruz is something other than a Canadian. So what can Cruz be if he is anchor baby? The only thing that Cruz can be (if he is an anchor baby like Trump said) is an American.

Imagine a pregnant woman comes to the US from El Salvador. She gives birth to a son in El Paso. We say that he is an anchor baby (In the US) because his mother is El Salvadorian. If his mother was a US citizen then he is not anchor baby. To call someone an anchor baby is to say your parent(s) were not of that country. To reiterate, if Cruz is a anchor baby as Trump said then he must be something other than a Canadian and the only option is the US (through his mother).

Trump just destroyed his own argument.
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Well of course Ted is a citizen if the CRBA, or Form FS-240 was filled out in a timely manor... https://travel.state.gov/content/pas...rds/birth.html


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A child born abroad to a U.S. citizen parent or parents may acquire U.S. citizenship at birth if certain statutory requirements are met. The child’s parents should contact the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate to apply for a Consular Report of Birth Abroad of a Citizen of the United States of America (CRBA) to document that the child is a U.S. citizen. If the U.S. embassy or consulate determines that the child acquired U.S. citizenship at birth, a consular officer will approve the CRBA application and the Department of State will issue a CRBA, also called a Form FS-240, in the child’s name.

According to U.S. law, a CRBA is proof of U.S. citizenship and may be used to obtain a U.S. passport and register for school, among other purposes.

The child’s parents may choose to apply for a U.S. passport for the child at the same time that they apply for a CRBA. Parents may also choose to apply only for a U.S. passport for the child. Like a CRBA, a full validity, unexpired U.S. passport is proof of U.S. citizenship.

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Some scholars say you have to be born in the US to be a president or vice president. If Molson gets up a super PAC then we should worry.
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Ted is probably eligible to run for President though I've read where that is not settled law but he damn sure is an Anchor Baby....
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HUH? My analysis based on the words of Donald J. Trump are this; Cruz cannot be Cuban because his father cut off all ties when he fled Castro and asked for asylum. Cruz's mother was and is an American citizen. Trump said that Cruz is an anchor baby IN CANADA which means Cruz is something other than a Canadian. So what can Cruz be if he is anchor baby? The only thing that Cruz can be (if he is an anchor baby like Trump said) is an American.

Imagine a pregnant woman comes to the US from El Salvador. She gives birth to a son in El Paso. We say that he is an anchor baby (In the US) because his mother is El Salvadorian. If his mother was a US citizen then he is not anchor baby. To call someone an anchor baby is to say your parent(s) were not of that country. To reiterate, if Cruz is a anchor baby as Trump said then he must be something other than a Canadian and the only option is the US (through his mother).

Trump just destroyed his own argument.
Good point. Even if he is not 100% American, we do need to be consistent about our definition of anchor baby, so in a way, the ball is in Canada's court. If they don't say he is Canadian, he is an American.

Cruz is a good man, I'll accept him if Canada doesn't.
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HUH? My analysis based on the words of Donald J. Trump are this; Cruz cannot be Cuban because his father cut off all ties when he fled Castro and asked for asylum. Cruz's mother was and is an American citizen. Trump said that Cruz is an anchor baby IN CANADA which means Cruz is something other than a Canadian. So what can Cruz be if he is anchor baby? The only thing that Cruz can be (if he is an anchor baby like Trump said) is an American.

Imagine a pregnant woman comes to the US from El Salvador. She gives birth to a son in El Paso. We say that he is an anchor baby (In the US) because his mother is El Salvadorian. If his mother was a US citizen then he is not anchor baby. To call someone an anchor baby is to say your parent(s) were not of that country. To reiterate, if Cruz is a anchor baby as Trump said then he must be something other than a Canadian and the only option is the US (through his mother).

Trump just destroyed his own argument.
Unbelievable how truly stupid you are in light of the fact you've seen this before, Trump, along with many others did this very same thing in the last elections.......... it's called planting seeds of doubt........... doesn't matter if Trump is right or wrong, long as it makes voters question Cruz.
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Unbelievable how truly stupid you are in light of the fact you've seen this before, Trump, along with many others did this very same thing in the last elections.......... it's called planting seeds of doubt........... doesn't matter if Trump is right or wrong, long as it makes voters question Cruz.
Why do I doubt that you're a Cruz supporter. Actually, if you have any comprehension then what I wrote erases the doubt. Sorry it went over your head.
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