Double check your ref's

[Guest032514-1]

Guys, last night I got a call asking about a particular Memphis provider. This is the 3rd time in @ a month I have been asked about this particular lady. I'm not personally having issues because I quit using her as a ref months ago.

Guys are giving her as a ref and she goes absolutely ballistic, cusses the provider asking for a ref and then refuses to give the ref.

Now, I know for a fact this particular provider doesn't want to give ref's over the phone so that's part of it. I only give a few phone refs myself, so I get that.

Thing is, you guys think you are giving a great ref...and you are not. It's not your fault, it's not the fault of the provider you're trying to see but that's who's getting screwed over this not-ref-friendly provider.

Make sure your references are good. Make sure the providers you use as ref's are ref friendly. Make sure you know how she prefers to give ref's. If a provider's phone number isn't on her site or her ad, most likely she doesn't do phone refs. But it's your job to find out.

When you go through the screening ask your potential date to let you know if she has any issues getting replies.

You guys need to figure out who this is pretty quick so you can cut down on unnecessary bs during screening.

Just a little public service announcement.

[DallasRain]

good points!!!

[tammy4u]

The best way to get a reference is to have the hobbyist submit an OK request from a verification site from the provider he has seen if he plans on using her as a reference. That way the provider does not have to be contacted.

In my experience, if I have seen someone once or even twice, since I don't keep records, and don't take this as an insult, I don't remember you. If it has been a long time, people sometimes change.

I do not take phone calls from providers. The problems that were stated a year or so ago with one of our hobbyists on here and his wife, or any wife that could call for that matter.

So guys, if you want to use a provider I suggest getting verified thru date-check or P411

[London Rayne]

Babee, is she local or a touring provider? Even though I use verification sites, I STILL call and check a guy's refs. Too many times those sites are not full-proof and I don't trust anyone to do 100% of my screening.

If she does not like providing references that is her choice, but to be a complete idiot about it is not doing her any favors lol. If she can't act like a professional, get out of the business and don't expect anyone to look out for you either. References are ONE way we help each other out, and it's sad that some people can't even do that....yet expect everyone else to give them one.

If there is an issue where a provider thinks a wife is calling or emailing, it's not rocket science. If she is not willing to send you a link to her website and reviews, and is not using the same info(email or phone#) FROM her ads, it's probably not a provider at all.

I always verify the provider before I give out any info, and like Tammy pointed out, I don't remember you if it's been over 6 months. I don't even feel comfortable giving a reference if I have not seen a client recently, nor will I accept one that old.

Sorry some of you girls are having to deal with this, and I hope she is not stupid enough to get rude with me lol.

[tammy4u]

London, I have started telling the guys that if they want to use me as a reference and someone is going to call me, just give me a heads up, that way I know that it is a legitimate call and can give the okay without any hesitation.........

Before then, I would not give phone references..........of course their are always exceptions, but make it easy for the provider being used as a reference and have the guy call her and give her a heads up.........

[memdal]

Personally, as someone who needs to have references to see some of the providers who don’t know me, I find the combination of being registered on sites as a first line of “legitimacy” followed by the invitation to call providers I have seen as the final check to have worked well. I typically communicate with the provider I am interested in through the site or sites they are listing on, and then give the suggestion that they can call any of the girls that I have reviewed or have an okay from. That way, they may be able to check with someone they know and trust rather than me forcing someone on them they don’t know. As an intermediate step, if the two girls do no know each other, I agree that it is good for me to be able to alert the reference to expect a call and who it will be coming from. It can also serve as a reminder to the reference being called because they can see what the review was or when the okay was given.

To me, the more integrated the information, the greater the trust level. Just like we, as hobbyists, want to have multiple sources of the providers “legitimacy” and offering. The days of just answering an ad are over for someone who wants to be safe at either end of the equation.

[Guest032514-1]

All I'm saying is there are many Memphis area guys who think they are giving an excellent reference.

It could be entirely possible that's not the case.

If situations keep popping up where it's not just a no reply ref, not just an I don't remember ref, not just an I don't do refs via phone ref but is a "cuss you and the client out" not give a ref - then the clients should know not to put providers and themselves through that abuse.

If I know there is an issue that effects the community; Y'all know I will say it - nicely and w/out spreading BS or causing drama. (I hope)

So, just make sure your "Go To" refs are straight with giving the ref.
Ask your potential date to let you know if she has an issue with the references you gave her, and if a pattern manifests wellllllll....use a different ref.

[ANONONE]

Originally Posted by tammy4u

So guys, if you want to use a provider I suggest getting verified thru date-check or P411

Nope--not paying an extra fee because providers fail to screen properly or are too lazy to do it.

I have been doing this too long (25 years in the hobby) to bend to a screening extortion fee. You either value my business enough to check my solid refs, or you don't want my business.

If you are going to require P411, then lower your rate to make up for the administrative convenience that P411 (or other verifying sites) gives you.

The reality is that P411 and other sites do not really give you any more safety than the good old fashioned screening pro providers do.

[tomatommm]

Some providers/agencies (including elite pornstar agencies in LA/Vegas) just require a TER account with at least 5 reviews of reputable providers.

But personally, I don't mind paying Date-Check $150 for a lifetime of worry free reference checks, and currently I only have P411! Basically, I'm going to milk out P411 and then switch to date-check or rs2k if or when I move to Illinois.

By the way, rs2k is $50 lifetime per phone number. And p411 is $70 a year, and they tend to give 3 months free for renewal. I hear that providers enjoy P411 more because it's owed by Gina and is more provider friendly than date-check, but there are way more using date-check. rs2k has been around longest, but it cost providers money.

[Macie Madrid]

I dont know about any other ladies but I will gladly give refs. to any ladies who need them to feel free to email or call! But, if I remember correctly Babee you just stated you wouldnt give refs. to Chrissy or myself and that we wouldnt get verified on this site, well Chrissy is already verified and I have no interest on advertising on this site at this time! Be sure and make it clear that you also have a problem giving refs. to certain providers!

[wildcat4fun]

My response is if you use me as a reference that is fine.If you need to call me,e-mail me or text me that is fine.I will respond one way or the other.If i don't answer my phone when you call the first time i will call you back soon as i get done doing whatever i might be doing at the time.I'm not always around my computer so i won't respond back as quick.I know what it is to be in a situtation that i don't wanna be in.So i don't mind giving the references for the ladies or the gents.

[wildcat4fun]

IT DOESN'T MATTER IF I KNOW YOU,DON'T LIKE YOU,OR WHAT EVER THE REASON MAY BE OR EVEN IF YOU ARE MY WORST ENEMY WE ARE SUPPOSED TO LOOK OUT FOR EACH OTHER NO MATTER WHAT OR AT LEAST THATS HOW IT SHOULD BE.

But hey thats just me and not gonna change for noone.

[bluffcityguy]

Originally Posted by ANONONE

Nope--not paying an extra fee because providers fail to screen properly or are too lazy to do it.

I have been doing this too long (25 years in the hobby) to bend to a screening extortion fee. You either value my business enough to check my solid refs, or you don't want my business.

If you are going to require P411, then lower your rate to make up for the administrative convenience that P411 (or other verifying sites) gives you.

The reality is that P411 and other sites do not really give you any more safety than the good old fashioned screening pro providers do.

Understand why you wouldn't want to pay the extra; I'm not going to argue about that.

OTOH, from my perspective the extra convenience that P411 and Date-Check have given me, and the ease with which I've cleared screening for a number of providers using them have made them worth it. So much so that I have lifetime memberships at both sites.

I have no problem providing whatever screening information a provider has wanted (so I can and have seen non-DC/P411 providers), but I appreciate having my references pre-collected at a website where a provider can just check there and give me a quick yea or nay.

Just a matter of what you feel comfortable with, and what you're willing to pay.

Cheers,

bcg

[bluffcityguy]

Originally Posted by tomatommm

rs2k has been around longest, but it cost providers money.

I've gotten the impression that RS2K isn't all that useful unless you're hobbying in Chicago.

FWIW, RS2K is the first verification service I recall seeing, and that was back in 2000 or so (i.e., it's been around just about forever in 'net years).

Cheers,

bcg

[Guest032514-1]

Originally Posted by rump shaker

But, if I remember correctly Babee you just stated you wouldnt give refs. to Chrissy or myself ............ Be sure and make it clear that you also have a problem giving refs. to certain providers!

uh-huh