Government spying

[Fsn57]

Interesting reading. If they can do AMPs, I'm sure they can do hotels. Cooperation with LE is not necessary for them to spy, you can never be too safe.


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/14/robe...-evidence.html

[Unique_Carpenter]

Note that the for the Florida amp, leo actually got warrants.

Hotels nowadays have advanced security systems and vids that go to recorders.
But, the only thing in a room, are the smoke detectors.
Leo can deliver a warrant to hotel, but said warrant goes straight to an attorney. I have seen a warrant get cancelled by same judge a couple hours after being issued.
Hotels do not let leo muck around, and that's from hotel insurance companies.
That said, it's common for Leo to circle parking lots with license plate reader cameras.

[Fsn57]

Good to know, there's no evidence of anything wrong from license plate cameras or from video of people walking through halls and lobby.



The article did mention it is rare for them to put cameras in AMPs,. However, after LE does it once, they're more likely to do it again, and even expand its use.


Just another reason to avoid AMPs

[Unique_Carpenter]

People do need to realize that nowadays leo does have professional Tech staff on payroll.

[TailHooked]

UC. Why do the hotels allow the cops to read plates or drive around the lots? If they buck them inside, you think they would do the same outside. I don't know how many threads have said Leo was in the parking lot , so the hobbyist bolted.

[Unique_Carpenter]

TH,
Good question.
Basically, parking lots are in clear view of the public.
There's various "edges" of relationships that any real world business man has to accept with the "neighbors".
On the flip side is that everyone knows leo needs a warrant to do other things. As for stings, well, cops can not set up in a hotel, without owners consent. There's issue of safety for other guests, insurance liability and other significant legal issues.
That said, once a hotel gets a reputation, well..., cops do try lean on hotel owner for that permission.
A classic example just happened last month at a east plaza hotel that's been a known hazard for a couple years.
Anyway, well run hotels don't put up with any crap, from anyone, and simply expect all their guests to be discrete.

[JRLawrence]

Originally Posted by Unique_Carpenter

People do need to realize that nowadays leo does have professional Tech staff on payroll.

Hey Carpenter,

Not only does the police department have professional tech staff for installing and maintaining the camera systems: in KCMO all of the other departments also have the same staff. This includes: water department, parks department, fire department, and let your imagination find flight. All of these departments are interconnected with the police department, and all record. Many city vehicles have a camera installed that is also connected to the grid: they stay on for a set time after the driver shuts off the engine.

In addition, many businesses have private camera systems that are also hooked to the grid, which gives the police direct access to those systems should they want it.
I am considering it for my locations. It does require some expense to connect to the same system.

[Unique_Carpenter]

Yes JR I know.
But the discussion is leo.
And I'm well aware exactly how much it costs to put a vid sys in a large building.

[Enchanterlingum]

If you think that you can get away with any "crime" using that spy in your pocket, or over the internet, regardless of the precautions you take, you are naive as fuck. EVERY call and keystroke is recorded. If the right people want you, they will get you. It just takes a phone call to an alphabet agency located in Utah and every text message, every call, every website you have visited in the last 15 years has been documented and can be viewed. This information has been available for 10 years. And don't even get me started about that damned Facebook or Google and their G(overnment)-Mail.



That's why I don't even bother with a burner phone or attempt real hard to hide my identity. Everything I am up to is already known by someone. The key is to stay out of the eye of the right people. You don't do that by bumbling your dumbass into a human trafficking ring. If you are screwing around with those trafficked girls, you deserve anything you get.

[Fsn57]

Originally Posted by Unique_Carpenter

On the flip side is that everyone knows leo needs a warrant to do other things. ....

The insidious thing about this new type of warrant used in the Florida AMP is that its a delayed notice warrant. So if they set up in a hotel, they would not present the warrant until after they did their dirty work. So the hotel would not have a chance to have their lawyers rebuff LE before they put in their cameras, etc.

[Unique_Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Fsn57

The insidious thing about this new type of warrant used in the Florida AMP is that its a delayed notice warrant. So if they set up in a hotel, they would not present the warrant until after they did their dirty work. So the hotel would not have a chance to have their lawyers rebuff LE before they put in their cameras, etc.

I get what your saying FSN, but, investigative warrants date back to phone tap days going back decades, and are not new.
There has to be something, not speculation. In Florida, they sent in a codes enforcement staff, and that report is what the warrant came off of.
Getting back to hotels, which room? in advance? Odds of target being in that hotel, and a specific room in hotel? Nope, no judge would sign off. In hallways or public areas? Well, hotel systems would record anyone else trying to install something. And a judge would not sign off on a "surveillance" in a private building without specific cause.

That said, if a building has earned a reputation for whatnot, well...,
Btw, Lenexa PD rescued an underage gal a few months ago. But that was a hotel parking lot stakeout, not tech or warrant.

[Fsn57]

True, a hotel is probably not as likely as an AMP, or someone running their business out of a fixed location where LE has time to setup. The fact they were successful in Florida, I would expect to see other LE agencies around the country using this method, and even expanding it to other venues. For example, if someone were to have a private apartment that was used for various providers and clients to use for the purposes of the hobby, I can see LE setting up something there. The safest places may in fact be hotels.

[Unique_Carpenter]

Northland, a couple years ago, an amp in an apartment complex got raided. Leo did their homework and tracked transport across state lines. Felony bracelets.
My point is that this is not a new idea for leo. What is new is leo getting the newsies to splash the takedown on page one.

[JRLawrence]

Originally Posted by Unique_Carpenter

Yes JR I know.
But the discussion is leo.
And I'm well aware exactly how much it costs to put a vid sys in a large building.

Sorry Carpenter, I did not state it clearly enough: all of these systems are hooked directly to the police system along with the individual departments.

"...hooked to the grid, which gives the police direct access to those systems should they want it."

If an alarm is noted in any location for any department, the police have immediate access to it. That includes all of the city departments, buildings and private locations that are hooked to the city system. LEO can see all of it immediately.

[Unique_Carpenter]

JR,
Only govt cameras on govt property.
Private hotel equipment is not accessible to leo. If there's an incident, maybe a copy after, if the lawyers allow.