"Stupid Is As Stupid Does": Forest Gump

[ICU 812]

My Liberal Brother-in-Law is not Stupid, But . . .

Both my brother -in-law and his wife have PhDs in either Education Technology or Academic Administration. However, you may feel about those specific degrees, these are not stupid people. Both have had careers in academia involving responsibility with accountability. Now retired from university life, they have a successful consulting practice, often working in Turkey and other counties in the Middle East. My sister-in-law has twice been a Fulbright Scholar. Not something an idiot can accomplish.

In family gatherings we avoid direct discussion of politics to keep things civil in deference to my 97-year-old mother-in-law. I am OK with that. Yet in general conversation it is often obvious that neither one of them really understand how The Constitution molds how the USA is set up.

They praise how trains and other forms of public mass transit make life convenient in Europe and other places. They feel that a strong central government should force construction of high speed passenger train network across the US. Discussions of population density or flexibility of travel are brushed aside as are any examination of taxation, jurisdiction, and eminent domain issues.

I once noted that the state of Texas itself is as large as France. Texsas is also as large as all of Spain. I noted that a very large proportion of the US population live East of the Mississippi with density increasing East of the Appalachian ranges. In comparison, virtually no one lives between the Mississippi=Missouri river complex and the West Coast relatively speaking. This too was brushed aside in the context of high speed trains.

My private observation is that their travel is often sponsored through a grant or on an expense arrangement. Additionally, it is my view that private expenditures for travel are also sponsored in a sense, as they will get or have just received a significant fee. Perhaps naively, I suspect that there is some tax provision for business expenses too.Sure, it is easy to hop onto a high-speed train for a day trip (a round trip) if money is no concern. The locals in those countries cannot do that.

Telling remarks often cropped up in casual conversation though. My brother-in-law was impressed that in Turkey, some town will be struggling economically due to changing times. In these cases, the Turkish government will step in with some light industry, often it is manufacturing tourist-oriented consumer products . . .and that is what the locals must do. This is fully supported and admired by my brother-in-law.

In another chat he wished that the USA had a "genuine Ministry of Education" to keep "the crazies" out of local school boards and ensure uniformity of standards and curriculum. I refrained from pointing out tht there is a cabinet level Department of Education that reports directly to the President. What he meant was that State. local authorities and parents should have little or no control of education

They both really want central control of every aspect of society. They have no concept of The Constitution as a basic tripartite framework that molds our national government.

They have a family business as consultants. They are not wild-eyed socialists . . .but they seemingly are oblivious to their socialist attitudes and beliefs or how the progressive agenda is bringing ruin to our society and nation.

[HDGristle]

I'd be interested in their side, directly, rather than through your lens.

[texassapper]

First let me say yes, you brother-in-law and sister-in-law are in fact stupid. They are credentialed certainly and they are not ignorant. But they are stupid. They can look at a problem and not see the obvious because they've been indoctrinated not to. There are many people like that out in the world. Sounds like they are also have a narcissist streak. They know better then everyone else (and why shouldn't they think that? look at all their credentials)

Do they have kids? That's usually the dividing line between stupid and everyone else. When you have a little girl or boy whose future depends on you, most people sober up about their ridiculous beliefs that the government can do anything better. It can't. It truly only does a few things well at scale and our Founders understood that/. It must be restrained, at all turns from increasing in power and scope. I don't want the government teaching my kids that men wearing dresses and cutting their dicks off is anything but a mental disorder for example.

They think man is perfectable when in fact he is flawed and PRONE to mistakes. They ignore this and assume all of us together is smarter or has more rights than one of us. It's not an illogical thought, but it's one that 15 minutes in the real world should disabuse people of.

No, they're not smart people. They are in fact stupid sheep. They maybe the stupid sheep with the best wool, but they are still stupid sheep.

[Lucas McCain]

There is nothing wrong with how they view things, ICU. I am sure they think you are odd for supporting Trump. It's all relative. As long as they are good people, that's all that should matter to you IMO when it comes to fam, so political views be damned.

[ICU 812]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

I'd be interested in their side, directly, rather than through your lens.

Can't help you there. Neither one would ever participate in any forum on this board.

What I will say is that they are basically good people. Parents of an independent adult son who is effective and successful in his field. They are doting grandparents of two great grandkids.

Respect and cordiality go both ways in our family.

Their world view is and has been molded by careers in academia, culminating, for both of them, in tenured professorships. This means that they are recognized as authority figures. They ae accustomed to expounding on what is what and expecting that their view will be accepted as truth.

[HDGristle]

Respect clearly doesn’t go far when you're using them as examples in a hooker board political forum about... what exactly?

[ICU 812]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

about... what exactly?

These are otherwise intellectually engaged people of demonstrated accomplishment, They are small business owners who pay income aand property taxes.

How is it that they allow themselves to be hoodwinked by the liberal progressive agenda? How can they see nothing wrong in the shenanigans that froze RFK Jr. out of the Democrat's primary. How can they see nothing wrong with the back room dealing and arm-twisting that swapped out Biden for Harris. . . .or the no-primary appointment of VP Harris? This is something we have not seen since Nixon was replaced by Ford in a similar sort of party coup.

[HDGristle]

They're Americans. It's their right to believe whatever the blue fuck they want.

Perhaps they see that as a lesser evil than the alternative or things which you think that are smart that they find morally, intellectually and legally troubling.

Maybe you should talk to them instead of us

[texassapper]

Originally Posted by HDGristle

It's their right to believe whatever the blue fuck they want.

I think you will find that recent residents of the White House don't believe one iota of that thought. Obama and Biden both advocated for restricting speech. Karmela does as well. In fact there is a developing scandal with regards to a British org with ties to the Karmela campaign whose stated goal is to "Kill Musks Twitter". ie censor it, eliminate it because other than GAB, its the only social media site on the planet that allows all speech which is not illegal.

So you best figure out what side is the right one while you still have the option to actually say what you think.

[HDGristle]

That sounds, droll. You can do better

[ICU 812]

The progressive left showed how much they hate the Constitution and The Bill of Rights during the pandemic hysteria when they ignored most if not all provisions of the First amendment. selectively.

We couldn't go to church but George Floyd had three massive funerals without enforcing mask wearing or the so-called six foot rule.

We could not go to the local Ace hardware or Western Auto, but the Home Depot was open.

Earlier, President Obama had complained that the Constitution does not empower the government but constrains it. Downtown NYC was closed down as were city centers across the country. . . .but bars and strip clubs were open.

More recently, there have been calls on the left to subordinate the Supreme Court to Congressions=al oversight. . . .co-equal branches of government indeed!

The Constitution can be changed. There is a mechanism for doing it written into the document itself., That has been successfully done some twenty five times . .but the Left won't even try because they know that their overall agenda just won't fly.

[1blackman1]

Like women’s rights. The ERA has failed for decades to become an amendment. If that won’t pass it’s pretty clear no further amendments are possible.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by ICU 812

The progressive left showed how much they hate the Constitution and The Bill of Rights during the pandemic hysteria when they ignored most if not all provisions of the First amendment. selectively.

We couldn't go to church but George Floyd had three massive funerals without enforcing mask wearing or the so-called six foot rule.

We could not go to the local Ace hardware or Western Auto, but the Home Depot was open.

Earlier, President Obama had complained that the Constitution does not empower the government but constrains it. Downtown NYC was closed down as were city centers across the country. . . .but bars and strip clubs were open.

More recently, there have been calls on the left to subordinate the Supreme Court to Congressions=al oversight. . . .co-equal branches of government indeed!

The Constitution can be changed. There is a mechanism for doing it written into the document itself., That has been successfully done some twenty five times . .but the Left won't even try because they know that their overall agenda just won't fly.

The constitution is a work in progress, open to revision.

That’s what the RWWs never understood but used as a prop in their war against truth, justice and the American way.

Saying the those who seek to change those ancient tenets “hate the constitution” is proof of that.

Not lost is the irony that many of these fellas (if not most of them) practice a religion that ignored the existing norms and elect candidates who repeated wipe their ass with the constitution.

[eyecu2]

Originally Posted by texassapper

First let me say yes, you brother-in-law and sister-in-law are in fact stupid. They are credentialed certainly and they are not ignorant. But they are stupid. They can look at a problem and not see the obvious because they've been indoctrinated not to. There are many people like that out in the world. Sounds like they are also have a narcissist streak. They know better then everyone else (and why shouldn't they think that? look at all their credentials)

I don't want the government teaching my kids that men wearing dresses and cutting their dicks off is anything but a mental disorder for example.



No, they're not smart people. They are in fact stupid sheep. They maybe the stupid sheep with the best wool, but they are still stupid sheep.

Originally Posted by texassapper

I think you will find that recent residents of the White House don't believe one iota of that thought. Obama and Biden both advocated for restricting speech. Karmela does as well. In fact there is a developing scandal with regards to a British org with ties to the Karmela campaign whose stated goal is to "Kill Musks Twitter". ie censor it, eliminate it because other than GAB, its the only social media site on the planet that allows all speech which is not illegal.

So you best figure out what side is the right one while you still have the option to actually say what you think.

Low brow berating of both board family members and the current administration is just ridiculous. You know nothing about them but what the poster mentioned, which was they appreciated governments who supported failing cities; we do that in the US, by local states and places that have tax subsidies or abatements for new business. Clearly you don't think that any government does a good job at creating both equality or has a responsibility to inspire work or employement outside of a strictly capitalistic approach.

Why do we offer any subsidies to companies or groups like farmers if in your opinion only capitalism works?

Why have an FDA to create safety for consumers?

Why have OSHA or any oversights when all they do is create red tape and restrictions?

Perhaps because while making money is certainly important- so is having a refuge like national parks, or social security and things like clean water, and safe medications are also a priority!

As afar as the lemming mindset of taking away someone's first amendment rights- Trump has been a big proponent of increasing liability claims for any false information being spoken about himself- (although most are simply illuminations of his bad deeds) and elimination of Twitter is never gonna happen. It's sad that Musk has decided to use it as a personal platform to speak about false equivalency and that ZERO fact checking happens now on that platform. It's become another broadcast platform for RED HAT folks, much like Truth social, or Rumble or Telegram- and besides losing value daily- (which Elon likely doesn't care about) it will become a wasteland at some point.

When any news organization starts to go down the path of lacking integrity and truth- they either become a fringe network or source, or they become extinct. The echo chambers of the right or left will consolidate eventually- and be absorbed by each other.

I'd love to see the fairness doctrine be required for News and "entertainment" outlets, but the Murdochs don't want that- they are more interested in selling airtime and commercial air to their sponsors. Ever notice how almost all of them now mention an alignment to "patriot" or "trump" as a marketing tool?

It will have a limited shelf-life whether it's post Nov 5th, or 4 more years later- it's done when he is. The wagon that has been tied to one person only lasts as long as the person, vs a team of ppl.

In the box of chocolates, Trump is atleast not like Forest Gumps quote of "you never know what you're gonna get".

In that scenario, you know exactly what you are gonna get- It's a shitty pecan cluster that has maggots and worms in it.

[ICU 812]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

The constitution is a work in progress, open to revision.

That’s what the RWWs never understood but used as a prop in their war against truth, justice and the American way.

Saying the those who seek to change those ancient tenets “hate the constitution” is proof of that.

Not lost is the irony that many of these fellas (if not most of them) practice a religion that ignored the existing norms and elect candidates who repeated wipe their ass with the constitution.

Not sure what some of that means.

I do agree with the part about the Constitution being a "work in progress". The founding fathers and framers recognized that and made provisions for that. The ERA amendment process has expired or timed out, If our society has changed enough since the 1970s to mov it forced again, then its proponants should re-initiate that process.