Callifornia County Administrator to make over $420,000 per year for LIFE.

[Guest032516]

If you want to know why California is going broke, here is why:

http://blog.sfgate.com/matierandross...r-tops-in-pay/

This woman isn't the CA governor, or lieutenant governor, or treasurer. She doesn't even have a statewide position - only a county position.

She is 63, but not yet retired. However, she could retire in a couple of years and easily live another 20 years.

She worked for 38 years for the county and her current position is a county administrator. I cannot imagine what a county administrator can do that justifies such a pay level.

This is a perfect example of why the federal government should NEVER bail out a state, which had been widely discussed. Not CA, not NY, not IL and definitely not MI.

Any federal tax money that bails out California is taken from other states. Why should Texas taxpayers pay for the lavish retirement packages of California county workers when their own Texas county workers don't get that kind of pay?

If Texans can't vote in California elections they should not pay for the consequences of them.

[UB9IB6]

Agreed.

[IIFFOFRDB]

Originally Posted by ExNYer

If you want to know why California is going broke, here is why:

http://blog.sfgate.com/matierandross...r-tops-in-pay/

This woman isn't the CA governor, or lieutenant governor, or treasurer. She doesn't even have a statewide position - only a county position.

She is 63, but not yet retired. However, she could retire in a couple of years and easily live another 20 years.

She worked for 38 years for the county and her current position is a county administrator. I cannot imagine what a county administrator can do that justifies such a pay level.

This is a perfect example of why the federal government should NEVER bail out a state, which had been widely discussed. Not CA, not NY, not IL and definitely not MI.

Any federal tax money that bails out California is taken from other states. Why should Texas taxpayers pay for the lavish retirement packages of California county workers when their own Texas county workers don't get that kind of pay?

If Texans can't vote in California elections they should not pay for the consequences of them.

Thanks! Shit needed to be said. We can revive this thread when this shit comes back up. I would say in 6-18 months...

[Jackie S]

That is more than the President of The United States makes.

Insanity!!

[cptjohnstone]

Originally Posted by Jackie S

That is more than the President of The United States makes.

Insanity!!

the current occupant should be paying us for what he is stealing

this CA thing has been going on for years if you will use google

[Jewish Lawyer]

Originally Posted by ExNYer

If you want to know why California is going broke, here is why:

http://blog.sfgate.com/matierandross...r-tops-in-pay/

This woman isn't the CA governor, or lieutenant governor, or treasurer. She doesn't even have a statewide position - only a county position.

She is 63, but not yet retired. However, she could retire in a couple of years and easily live another 20 years.

She worked for 38 years for the county and her current position is a county administrator. I cannot imagine what a county administrator can do that justifies such a pay level.

This is a perfect example of why the federal government should NEVER bail out a state, which had been widely discussed. Not CA, not NY, not IL and definitely not MI.

Any federal tax money that bails out California is taken from other states. Why should Texas taxpayers pay for the lavish retirement packages of California county workers when their own Texas county workers don't get that kind of pay?

If Texans can't vote in California elections they should not pay for the consequences of them.

Thank you for bringing this up.

[wellendowed1911]

Guys with all due respect a person's salary is relative- you have CEO's making several millions and I mean several millions of dollars in annual salary. Don't even let me get started on pro athletes and I am not talking about just the elite one' either.
Ex-Nyer- what if someone blasted you for paying 2000 and $1200 on your last 2 review session that you posted when someone else could have got the same service for far less??? There are some College presidents with million dollar salaries- heck there are some college football coaches making more than pro football coaches- so when I read post like what Ex-Nyer posted I don't get angry because it's not my business.
However, to each and everyone of you- I don't know what you guys make salary wise but if tomorrow you were told that you were going to be now be getting paid 3 X's what you are making now- are you going to all decline it and it say that's way too much money to be paying me????? I mean serious guys if you were in her shoes you would take that salary in a heartbeat.

[JD Barleycorn]

I said as much during the election. We had to defeat Obama and the democrats because when California goes down we can't be bailing them out. The democrats will do the bailing with our money just for the 50+ electoral votes.

She is 63, but not yet retired. However, she could retire in a couple of years and easily live another 20 years.

...or she may not make it to retirement.

[Jewish Lawyer]

Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

Guys with all due respect a person's salary is relative- you have CEO's making several millions and I mean several millions of dollars in annual salary. Don't even let me get started on pro athletes and I am not talking about just the elite one' either.
Ex-Nyer- what if someone blasted you for paying 2000 and $1200 on your last 2 review session that you posted when someone else could have got the same service for far less??? There are some College presidents with million dollar salaries- heck there are some college football coaches making more than pro football coaches- so when I read post like what Ex-Nyer posted I don't get angry because it's not my business.
However, to each and everyone of you- I don't know what you guys make salary wise but if tomorrow you were told that you were going to be now be getting paid 3 X's what you are making now- are you going to all decline it and it say that's way too much money to be paying me????? I mean serious guys if you were in her shoes you would take that salary in a heartbeat.

It is offensive because it is a government salary. Same with the fat jackasses running universities. Obviously, football coaches are overpaid, too. Some people have forgotten the idea of public service.
Those other overpaid fucks are working for private businesses, so if we don't have to bail them out, as long as they pay their taxes that is ok.

[Texas Contrarian]

Originally Posted by ExNYer

Any federal tax money that bails out California is taken from other states. Why should Texas taxpayers pay for the lavish retirement packages of California county workers when their own Texas county workers don't get that kind of pay?

If Texans can't vote in California elections they should not pay for the consequences of them.

Hear, hear!

About 75% of California's legislature is in the pay of public-sector unions. And as evidenced by stories such as the one linked in the OP, the disease infects counties and municipalities as well.

A debt tsunami is on its way in at least a half-dozen states, according to an old friend of mine who manages fixed-income portfolios. The extent to which public sector pension funds are underfunded is thought by many to grossly exceed what a quick back-of-the-envelope look at the numbers might suggest. (And that's bad enough!) Government pension managers produce ridiculously unrealistic projections, given that bond yields are now so low. Many of them are desperately reaching to make their numbers by going way out on the risk profile in the non-fixed-income portions of their funds, and in a number of instances that may not work out well.

Remember the stories about the Bell, CA public officials who were indicted for fraud?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...92J17M20130320

Almost $800K per year for the city manager of a town of 40,000 population!

Of course, this is different from the Alameda County supervisor story, where no one is accused of any sort of criminal act.

But the pervasiveness of the public-sector entitlement mentality acts as an enabling agent for over-the-top excesses in cities and towns all over California, as well as in a number of other states.

[nevergaveitathought]

i had started a thread in here some time ago regarding people making it rich in other than the private economy and how i felt there was a difference between that and getting rich in government and in some charitable organization and quite a few, other than just the idiot liberals who replied thought, rather illogically in my opinion, that it was all some sort of wide open free enterprise and shouldnt make a difference and that its appropriate to get whatever you can

http://eccie.net/showthread.php?t=449426&highlight=

[timpage]

1. This woman works for the county, not the state. And, it's a rich county, San Francisco Bay Area. Median income is over $90,000.00 per year.

2. She is the County Administrator for a county with over 1,500,000 residents.

3. I missed any indication in the article that the county anticipated being in the position of being unable to pay her salary or her pension now, or in the future. Is there some reason to believe that is the case?

4. I agree it seems outrageous but it also seems that there are some conclusions/opinions being posted up that lack support and are based on outrage that some government employee has managed to cut herself a pretty good employment package. I doubt there would be much criticism if it were a private employment scenario.

[Guest032516]

Originally Posted by wellendowed1911

Guys with all due respect a person's salary is relative- you have CEO's making several millions and I mean several millions of dollars in annual salary. Don't even let me get started on pro athletes and I am not talking about just the elite one' either.
Ex-Nyer- what if someone blasted you for paying 2000 and $1200 on your last 2 review session that you posted when someone else could have got the same service for far less??? There are some College presidents with million dollar salaries- heck there are some college football coaches making more than pro football coaches- so when I read post like what Ex-Nyer posted I don't get angry because it's not my business.
However, to each and everyone of you- I don't know what you guys make salary wise but if tomorrow you were told that you were going to be now be getting paid 3 X's what you are making now- are you going to all decline it and it say that's way too much money to be paying me????? I mean serious guys if you were in her shoes you would take that salary in a heartbeat.

You completely missed the point. And I do mean completely.

No one cares what SHE thinks about her salary. I'm sure she is happy with it. The question is why did the county ever give it to her? Who VOTED on that level and why? And ALL taxpayers get stuck with paying it, not voluntary customers.

If the California Angels gave Josh Hamilton $25 million per year, it does not cost me or any other taxpayers any increase in taxes. I can refuse to by tickets to the Angels games and so can every single person in California. Josh Hamilton's money comes out of private pockets. If the Angels overpay and people stop buying tickets that are now too expensive, then the Angels may go bankrupt. And it STILL costs me nothing.

The same goes for CEOs of private companies. If the board of directors of American Airlines votes to pay the CEO too much money, then they will price themselves out of the market. I can fly United or Delta instead of AA.

But politicians are not spending their own money, they are spending taxpayer's money. In California, the politicians are voting outlandish pay packages to themselves and other state/county employees - the kind of money they would NEVER get in a free market.

And they can stick taxpayers with the bill.

So, if California permits its public employees to make this kind of money, then California must figure out how to pay for it. They cannot turn to other states to bail them out.

[Guest032516]

Originally Posted by timpage

1. This woman works for the county, not the state. And, it's a rich county, San Francisco Bay Area. Median income is over $90,000.00 per year.

2. She is the County Administrator for a county with over 1,500,000 residents.

3. I missed any indication in the article that the county anticipated being in the position of being unable to pay her salary or her pension now, or in the future. Is there some reason to believe that is the case?

4. I agree it seems outrageous but it also seems that there are some conclusions/opinions being posted up that lack support and are based on outrage that some government employee has managed to cut herself a pretty good employment package. I doubt there would be much criticism if it were a private employment scenario.

You're right, there wouldn't be much criticism in private employment. But there shouldn't be. If Office Depot overcompensates its senior sales managers, it doesn't affect me. I'll shop elsewhere if their prices are too high, and they will go broke if they don't fix the situation.

But taxpayers are fucked in her county. They are stuck with her compensation package for a long time to come. Even worse than the Mets were stuck with Bobby Bonilla's contact for half of forever.

Government jobs traditionally paid less than their counterparts in the private sector. The tradeoff was that you had better job security than you would have had in the private sector. When you work for the state or county, you don't have to worry about your "company" going broke or about being downsized after a merger.

That situation has been changing thanks to large public employee unions and compliant politicians looking for votes. Many public employees are compensated as well as or even better than their private sector counterparts and their jobs are STILL virtually guaranteed. This is a wort of both worlds approach.

Read Captain Midnight's post above. This has happened many times in California already. The state is going broke on compensation for its public employees. And they have been seeking bailouts from the federal government.

Fuck them. They broke it. They can fix it.

This isn't a natural disaster. it is man-made.

If an earthquake wrecked the SF Bay area, then the rest of the country should help with the bailout. If bad governance wrecks the SF Bay area, then the rest of the country should let them figure out how to fix their own mess.

Public employee pensions with defined benefits should be ENDED. They should have a 401(k) or the equivalent where they have a defined contribution. Their retirement should be based on what they save, not what they can vote themselves.

[Texas Contrarian]

To those who are OK with the emboldenment of public-sector unions and other facets of California-style governance, I suggest that you take a look at this article by California native and historian Victor Davis Hanson:

California at Twilight

And also this:

Beautifully Medieval California