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Old 04-25-2012, 08:28 AM   #1
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Default MORE OBAMA REGULATIONS PILED ON US.....

This time it is farmers, ranchers and others in the ag business. The Obama administration is seeking to ban the children of farmers and ranchers from helping out with family chores I guess......

The marxist Obama administration is also seeking to replace the popular (and privately operated ) 4-H farm training programs with government mandated courses.................

Big Obama Government Reaches Deeper and Deeper Into Controling Every Nook and Cranny of Our Lives !

http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/25/ru...g-farm-chores/
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Old 04-25-2012, 09:59 AM   #2
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Well, the EPA is going to start overseeing farm dust this year. If you produce too much dust (their standard) they will make you cease operation until you can safety do it again. Wonder what they will do to mother nature because she is an accessory to the crime.
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Old 04-25-2012, 10:57 AM   #3
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Thank God! The farming industry has been out of control for centuries. And imagine, asking your children to work? What kind of monsters are these people? Next they need to fine parents for making children clean their room and wash dishes. It's about time! They need to learn that in Obama's America, it is the government's job to take care of them, and anyone who says otherwise is a racist.
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Old 04-25-2012, 11:13 AM   #4
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Hey you have to have some reason other than inflation for food prices rising so rapicly. Now we can blame the EPA and forget about the devaluation of the dollar.

them democrats a re sneaky lot,
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Old 04-25-2012, 01:20 PM   #5
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Hey you have to have some reason other than inflation for food prices rising so rapicly. Now we can blame the EPA and forget about the devaluation of the dollar.

them democrats a re sneaky lot,
it is called "a drought" cattle in Amarillo are at a 50 year low and bacon is bacon
and do not forget taking the pink slime out of ground beef will raise that price too
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Farming has changed a lot use to be said if you couldn't find a job in town you could always farm.Now it is if you can't farm you can always find a job in town.
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Sadly I don't know enough about the farming business with regard to this or what the pro's and con's are or why this is being pushed. I would like more information than just this one article and from a more less bias site if possible where it talks about the reasons for this and what led up to it.
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Old 04-25-2012, 03:46 PM   #8
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Tell that to the half of college graduates that cant find a job on the farm or n town.

So there is a world wide drought, I was not aware of that.
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Old 04-25-2012, 03:49 PM   #9
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Ok researching this now.. and I did find this statement: Human rights organizations have documented child labor in USA. According to a 2009 petition by Human Rights Watch: "Hundreds of thousands of children are employed as farmworkers in the United States, often working 10 or more hours a day. They are often exposed to dangerous pesticides, experience high rates of injury, and suffer fatalities at five times the rate of other working youth. Their long hours contribute to alarming drop-out rates. Government statistics show that barely half ever finish high school. According to the National Safety Council, agriculture is the second most dangerous occupation in the United States. However, current US child labor laws allow child farmworkers to work longer hours, at younger ages, and under more hazardous conditions than other working youths. While children in other sectors must be 12 to be employed and cannot work more than 3 hours on a school day, in agriculture, children can work at age 12 for unlimited hours before and after school." They would work two to three jobs depending on their age..

I guess we would all like to think that the kids working on farms are from families of means and that abuses don't take place. Maybe we like to think of the FFA when we think of farming children but at closer inspection it seems some farmers have put their children at risk of injuries and harm having them do some of the farm work that should be intended for an adult with training. I will keep researching..
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As one person pointed out- Quote: I have just reread every change proposed by the Fair Labor Standards Act. I'm sorry but I can't find anything that pertains to keeping kids from showing livestock? The only thing I can find in the new proposal is the allowance for kids under 16 to get a permit (like a learners permit) to drive farm equipment if the farm is owned by their parents. That would only prevent kids under 16 from driving farm machinery. I think that is significantly different from "banning showing of livestock". Could you site me the exact place where you saw the new proposals that would make kids take a class? If that exists I really would like to see it, I might change my viewpoint


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Old 04-25-2012, 04:06 PM   #11
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Well here are some facts right here:
US Labor Department proposes updates to child labor regulations

Aims to improve safety of young workers employed in agriculture and related fields
WASHINGTON — The U.S. Department of Labor is proposing revisions to child labor regulations that will strengthen the safety requirements for young workers employed in agriculture and related fields. The agricultural hazardous occupations orders under the Fair Labor Standards Act that bar young workers from certain tasks have not been updated since they were promulgated in 1970.


The department is proposing updates based on the enforcement experiences of its Wage and Hour Division, recommendations made by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, and a commitment to bring parity between the rules for young workers employed in agricultural jobs and the more stringent rules that apply to those employed in nonagricultural workplaces. The proposed regulations would not apply to children working on farms owned by their parents.


"Children employed in agriculture are some of the most vulnerable workers in America," said Secretary of Labor Hilda L. Solis. "Ensuring their welfare is a priority of the department, and this proposal is another element of our comprehensive approach."


The proposal would strengthen current child labor regulations prohibiting agricultural work with animals and in pesticide handling, timber operations, manure pits and storage bins. It would prohibit farmworkers under age 16 from participating in the cultivation, harvesting and curing of tobacco. And it would prohibit youth in both agricultural and nonagricultural employment from using electronic, including communication, devices while operating power-driven equipment.


The department also is proposing to create a new nonagricultural hazardous occupations order that would prevent children under 18 from being employed in the storing, marketing and transporting of farm product raw materials. Prohibited places of employment would include country grain elevators, grain bins, silos, feed lots, stockyards, livestock exchanges and livestock auctions.


Additionally, the proposal would prohibit farmworkers under 16 from operating almost all power-driven equipment. A similar prohibition has existed as part of the nonagricultural child labor provisions for more than 50 years. A limited exemption would permit some student learners to operate certain farm implements and tractors, when equipped with proper rollover protection structures and seat belts, under specified conditions.
The Wage and Hour Division employs a combination of enforcement, compliance assistance and collaboration strategies in partnership with states and community-based organizations to protect children working in the United States. When violations of law are found, the division uses all enforcement tools necessary to ensure accountability and deter future violations.


The division is responsible for enforcing the FLSA, which establishes federal child labor provisions for both agricultural and nonagricultural employment, and charges the secretary of labor with prohibiting employment of youth in occupations that she finds and declares to be particularly hazardous for them. The FLSA establishes a minimum age of 18 for hazardous work in nonagricultural employment and 16 in agricultural employment. Once agricultural workers reach age 16, they are no longer subject to the FLSA's child labor provisions. The FLSA also provides a complete exemption for youths employed on farms owned by their parents.


The public is invited to provide comments on this important proposal, which must be received by Nov. 1. A public hearing on the proposal will be held following the comment period. More information, including a complete list of the proposed revisions, will be available in the Federal Register on Sept. 2.
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whirlie is talking out his ass, as usual
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Old 04-25-2012, 04:11 PM   #13
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Typical knee jerk reaction and as I suspected the article missed the main bullet points and is just trying to rile up the right wingers..
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accept that 99.999999999999 % of whirlies posts are horse crap, and save yourself the time doing research
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Old 04-25-2012, 04:30 PM   #15
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accept that 99.999999999999 % of whirlies posts are horse crap, and save yourself the time doing research
LOL duly noted..
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