BBBJ vs CBJ

[Investomania]

Ok, I'm sure most hobbyists would agree that BBBJ beats CBJ hands down but I'm curious about the risk factors involved. I'm seeing more and more providers going BBBJ, guessing for more business, but what about the risk factors involved?

Thinking of it this way. If a provider sees several clients a day providing BBBJ it is likely to heighten the risk of catching or giving something that could land you in the clinic.

I always prefer CBJ for this reason but it seems like hobbyists who prefer BBBJ are not at all worried about it.

So my question is this. As a hobbyists or provider, do you worry about the risks?

[WorknMan]

AFAIK, you could get STDs (including herpies) by either bbbj or daty, whether there's an open sore or not. Considering that I partake in both of these activities, I guess I don't worry about it enough to stop me (which is probably not a good thing).

[RALPHEY BOY]

what gets me to this day is,
a girl who is CBJ but allows DATY, that makes no sense to me at all!!!!
if you want to be safe then why do you allow daty?( I have asked this question for many years and not one Provider has ever answered it but I will keep asking one day someone might humor me)

you can an STD from a guy doing DATY so why allow it?

[WorknMan]

On the other hand, the only cases of herpies and such that I've seen reported here (and ASPD) are from dumbass guys who go for bbfs at cheap AMPs.

I would imagine that a lot of gents who hobby are either having sex with their wives/long-term gfs or not having sex at all outside the hobby, where condoms are nearly universally required. So it's probably safer than hooking up with a stranger in a bar

[Guest091712-2]

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[Guest091712-2]

There are risk factors with every single aspect of this hobby. Kissing. Oral. Intercourse. It is prevalent in all activities, if the risk is already present.

In my opinion, BBBJ is a distinctive factor that separates "providers" from "companions". GFE vs. GFE lite. I am a gal that has made that switch, so I know a thing or two about the difference I also second Ralphey's DATY/BBBJ question - how can you have one without the other? It is a little contradictory and ill-educated.

So for me, made the switch. I love oral, the risk factors are no more an issue than any other act (as I stated above) and to be completely honest, I hate the way a cover tastes. Gross.

BBBJ all the way

[knotty man]

Originally Posted by klovve

There are risk factors with every single aspect of this hobby. Kissing. Oral. Intercourse. It is prevalent in all activities, if the risk is already present.

In my opinion, BBBJ is a distinctive factor that separates "providers" from "companions". GFE vs. GFE lite. I am a gal that has made that switch, so I know a thing or two about the difference I also second Ralphey's DATY/BBBJ question - how can you have one without the other? It is a little contradictory and ill-educated.

So for me, made the switch. I love oral, the risk factors are no more an issue than any other act (as I stated above) and to be completely honest, I hate the way a cover tastes. Gross.

BBBJ all the way

damn! if i marry you will you repeat that verbatum at our wedding ceremony. hehehe

[RALPHEY BOY]

thank you Ms Kelli! ( :

I am all for being smart about how we play!

[Damon Bradley]

Originally Posted by klovve

There are risk factors with every single aspect of this hobby. Kissing. Oral. Intercourse. It is prevalent in all activities, if the risk is already present.

In my opinion, BBBJ is a distinctive factor that separates "providers" from "companions". GFE vs. GFE lite. I am a gal that has made that switch, so I know a thing or two about the difference I also second Ralphey's DATY/BBBJ question - how can you have one without the other? It is a little contradictory and ill-educated.

So for me, made the switch. I love oral, the risk factors are no more an issue than any other act (as I stated above) and to be completely honest, I hate the way a cover tastes. Gross.

BBBJ all the way

Bravo!...

[Sensual Sophia]

Originally Posted by RALPHEY BOY

what gets me to this day is,
a girl who is CBJ but allows DATY, that makes no sense to me at all!!!!
if you want to be safe then why do you allow daty?( I have asked this question for many years and not one Provider has ever answered it but I will keep asking one day someone might humor me)

you can an STD from a guy doing DATY so why allow it?

How can you get an STD from a guy going DATY? I've never heard of such a thing being documented. Maybe if he had an open sore on his mouth or tongue and it directly contacted your sensitive pink parts, there would be a chance of communicating a blood borne illness like HIV or Hep B. Unlikely, but I remotely possible. If he had a cold sore (HSV 1) he could transmit that so you would get oral herpes on your twat -- but those things are highly visible. No provider in her right mind would allow a guy with a cold sore to perform DATY. If you can find any information on the actual risk to the receptive partner of DATY, I would be curious to read it. I have been through all the required sex ed classes in school and sat through countless lectures from health professionals who do my testing and they have never warned me about the risks of receiving DATY. I also haven't seen much about it online other than theoretical discussions that just state the risk as low.

The main risk with oral sex is to the one performing the oral sex, and everything I have ever read says that the risk of disease transmission from performing oral sex on a male is much higher than performing it on a female.

Here is some info on throat cancer from HPV: http://std.about.com/od/hpv/a/hpvoralcancer.htm

Here is info on throat and mouth gonorrhea: http://helpinggonorrhea.com/Throat+Gonorrhea.490.htm

I choose to avoid CIM because I have read that the risk is reduced when ejaculation is avoided. Obviously CBJ is better protection but we know how CBJ is viewed by the typical hobbyist.

[Sexy Roxanne]

I think more girls are actually switching to CBJ vs BBBJ, due to folks like Humpty and like minded individulas.

[Guest110911]

herpes is everywhere and can be transmited with...or without a sore being presant. it is also one of my biggest fears in the hobby....but...risk vs reward. it would be a crime for some of these girls to do CBJ. Honestly...i dont think i have had a truely great bj...before the hobby...

also...herpes can very much be spread with CFS...since it is passed from SKIN contact

[greymouse]

I would like to point out the pachyderm in the room that no one has mentioned, the one over in the corner wearing the hot pink plaid suit and tap dancing while playing the soprano saxophone. Kind of hard to ignore I would have thought. The BBBJ is the center piece of the Hobby because most Hobbyists are over forty and need a warm wet mouth to get and maintain a serviceable erection. Sometimes that is true even with chemical reinforcement from Viagra and its workalikes.

Lots of Sporting Gentlemen prefer a BBBJTC because their erection will soon go away inside a condom while they can passively lie back and be “serviced” to “completion”. Or, if the call of their “Selfish Genes”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Selfish_Gene
to go through the motions of penetration is loud enough there is the two step shuffle: BBBJ, CG, BBBJ, “Mish”, BBBJ, K9, etc as the BBBJ enables or restores the elusive erection and the condom takes it away. No rational person will have genital sex without a condom so the BBBJ is the closest thing to condom-free sex that is available to participants in commercial sex (and non-commercial, non-drunken sport f*cking).

There is also a potential element of perceived emotional closeness with someone willing to take the center of your sexual self into her mouth without insisting on an artificial barrier, however thin. It appears that for the youngest sex workers, doing CBJ-only is the updated version of what not kissing customers used to be, a dividing line between work and sex with those with whom a real relationship existed or might be hoped for.

Allowing the ejaculation she worked so hard to cause to take place intra-orally hugely reinforces this perception of intimacy, even if just for the moment when it occurs. Swallowing makes it stronger still, potentially for both the partners of the moment. Makes it more dangerous too but nobody really knows to what extent. That is because no researcher is going to run a study that involves pairing infected people with uninfected in various ways sexually to see what the relative transmission rates turn out to be. Ex post facto case studies are to best that can be done ethically and they indicate the risk associated with condom-less oral is low but not zero. Probably herpes is the greatest risk and nobody dies of that. There might be a residual risk of oral cancers associated with a few of the hundred or so HPV viruses. Incidence of throat cancer has been going down, the percentage of tumors examined by research studies that have HPV markers has been going up. Probably someone who does not smoke or drink alcohol but has lots of oral sex is safer than an individual who has no oral sex but does smoke and drink but no one can say for sure. The beauty part with respect to HPV is that the Gardasil vaccine, although intended to prevent cervical cancer probably protects against HPV-related throat cancer. Nobody really knows since it hasn’t been studied, partly because the incident of throat cancer is low.

Sophia is almost certainly right that the risk, whatever it is, weights mostly on the orally receptive partner. That is one of the several reasons we pay and they are paid.

[WorknMan]

Good input from Sophia and greymouse

Originally Posted by bubbaJay

Honestly...i dont think i have had a truely great bj...before the hobby...t

+1. In fact, my first bbbjtc was in the hobby. At first, I was under the impression that nobody could get me off with oral, but then one of our Austin adorables proved me wrong In fact, I've never been finished off with oral outside the hobby. Sad, ain't it?

[knotty man]

GM, thanks for the post.for the longest time i felt "inferior" because of losing my wood after the wrapper was placed. i felt that somehow i must not be attracted to her even though EVERY part of my body was wanting her. even with my ATFs i have trouble maintaining after the cover is put on. atleast now i feel its not just me. damn i hate having the desire of a 20 yr old with the body of a 46 yr old