THE JEB BUSH INTERVIEW...

[Whirlaway]

On Iraq; blames the Iraq failure on "lack of security"..

A true but dishonest answer.

The chaos that ensued in Iraq, after our invasion ("lack of security"), was the direct decision by the Bush White House (as implemented by Paul Bremer) to disband the Iraqi Army.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...iraq-invasion/

[timpage]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

On Iraq; blames the Iraq failure on "lack of security"..

A true but dishonest answer.

The chaos that ensued in Iraq, after our invasion ("lack of security"), was the direct decision by the Bush White House (as implemented by Paul Bremer) to disband the Iraqi Army.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...iraq-invasion/

True so far as it goes. The real problem, of course, was not what happened after we invaded, but the lies and deceptions promulgated by the Bush administration and the neo-cons that were utilized to justify the invasion. We never should have been there.

[wellendowed1911]

Originally Posted by timpage

True so far as it goes. The real problem, of course, was not what happened after we invaded, but the lies and deceptions promulgated by the Bush administration and the neo-cons that were utilized to justify the invasion. We never should have been there.

+1000000000

[Whirlaway]

And Hillary agreed with the war.............

There was no lie in the lead up to the war.....everyone believed Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. The fact that they didn't find them doesn't mean the build up was a lie. It was based on a failure of intelligence.

Do you not know the difference?

Who believed Iraq had WMDS?

Answer: Almost everybody.

Although Obama opposed the war; he never issued a statement (prior to the invasion) that there weren't WMDs in Iraq.

[shanm]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

And Hillary agreed with the war.............

There was no lie in the lead up to the war.....everyone believed Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. The fact that they didn't find them doesn't mean the build up was a lie. It was based on a failure of intelligence.

Do you not know the difference?

Who believed Iraq had WMDS?

Answer: Almost everybody.

Are you saying that a U.S senator has the same level of intelligence as the president of the United States?

Sure, she agreed with the war, as did many democrats. And as did many republicans. That doesn't mean that they were all dishonest about why the war began in the first place(unlike Bush).
Notice how we don't turn around and place the blame on the entire republican party? That's because they got grubered as much as the next guy

[Whirlaway]

Actually they (the Senate) did when it came to this issue; are you saying the Bush Administration held back critical intelligence that would have indicated Iraq didn't have the WMDS thought?

If so, where is your proof of that wild ass claim?

Originally Posted by shanm

Are you saying that a U.S senator has the same level of intelligence as the president of the United States?

Sure, she agreed with the war, as did many democrats. And as did many republicans. That doesn't mean that they were all dishonest about why the war began in the first place(unlike Bush).
Notice how we don't turn around and place the blame on the entire republican party? That's because they got grubered as much as the next guy

[shanm]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Actually they (the Senate) did when it came to this issue; are you saying the Bush Administration held back critical intelligence that would have indicated Iraq didn't have the WMDS thought?

If so, where is your proof of that wild ass claim?

Where is your proof that they didn't?

The claims they made were false after all.

[Whirlaway]

Your side is claiming the WMDS was a lie; so you must have a factual foundation that there was counter evidence to the Iraq WMDS......what is that information you claim to have?

We saw what the Administration had; what information is your side basing the "lie" claim on?

[Whirlaway]

Originally Posted by shanm

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The claims they made were false after all.

So your whole claim to a lie is based on not finding WMDS?

That is a strange concept of what a lie is....by your measure every weatherman is a liar when he tells us rain is in the forecast and it turns out to be wrong.

[JD Barleycorn]

In 1998 Bill Clinton accused Iraq of having WMDs, as did Senator Kerry, Senator Edwards, and Vice President Al Gore. The difference is that it took a GOP president to do something about things that Clinton should have done and maybe prevented 9/11. (Bin Laden was on his "to do" list)

[shanm]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

So your whole claim to a lie is based on not finding WMDS?

That is a strange concept of what a lie is....by your measure every weatherman is a liar when he tells us rain is in the forecast and it turns out to be wrong.

I did not say that he definitely deliberately lied.

I'm saying that they possibly misrepresented information to get Senate on board with the war. The fact that you completely discount that possibility is very telling.

[timpage]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

And Hillary agreed with the war.............

There was no lie in the lead up to the war.....everyone believed Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. The fact that they didn't find them doesn't mean the build up was a lie. It was based on a failure of intelligence.

Do you not know the difference?

Who believed Iraq had WMDS?

Answer: Almost everybody.

Although Obama opposed the war; he never issued a statement (prior to the invasion) that there weren't WMDs in Iraq.

Moron, still trying to defend the indefensible. The train left the station on this one dumbass and you were riding it all the way. All the republican neocon bullshit turned out to be based on lies, exaggerations, miscalculations and outright stupidity. Thousands of dead Americans, a trillion dollars spent and we are still paying the price today with a middle east that has become the wild fucking west.

All because George W. Bush decided to invade Iraq. You can try to spin it any way you want, but that is the bottom line. Your boy. Your war. Your fault. Fuck you.

[timpage]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

So your whole claim to a lie is based on not finding WMDS?

That is a strange concept of what a lie is....by your measure every weatherman is a liar when he tells us rain is in the forecast and it turns out to be wrong.

What is strange is that you would try to draw an analogy between a few people getting wet because of an error and tens of thousands of people being killed because of deliberate lies or monumental stupidity.

This doesn't get better for you, you ought to stay away from it dumbass.

[Whirlaway]

Deliberately misrepresenting information ?

Sounds like lying to me.

It is possible; but without any substance to your claim it is unlikely.

More likely is we had bad intel.

Originally Posted by shanm

I did not say that he definitely deliberately lied.

I'm saying that they possibly misrepresented information to get Senate on board with the war. The fact that you completely discount that possibility is very telling.

[timpage]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Deliberately misrepresenting information ?

Sounds like lying to me.

It is possible; but without any substance to your claim it is unlikely.

More likely is we had bad intel.

Yes, bad intelligence....the guy making the decisions in the Oval Office was an idiot. Just like you.