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Old 04-03-2013, 12:24 AM   #1
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Default GOP Senator Sponsors Measure Calling For U.S. Withdrawal From The U.N.

Score another one for Senator Rand Paul. Absolutely! Get the US out of the UN, and get the UN out of the US!

Senate Republicans are using the debate around the Fiscal Year 2014 budget to push as many of their far-right ideas as possible, including now a move to have the United States completely withdraw from the United Nations.

An amendment was filed by Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) for just such a purpose, purporting to delete all spending related to the United Nations from the FY14 budget. Specifically, the amendment calls for a reduction of $7,691,822,000 in spending 2014 and 2023. That slash goes beyond even the most draconian of cuts proposed by House Republicans since they reclaimed a majority in 2010.

According to the Better World Campaign, the U.S. payment to the United Nations includes two main parts. The first includes the United States’ contribution to the U.N.’s regular budget and the other bodies under the U.N. umbrella, the second payment into the U.N.’s international peacekeeping efforts. Contributions from across the entirety of the Federal government into the various parts of the U.N. system equals the total that Sen. Paul is seeking to cut, according to 2011 calculations from the Office of Management and Budget.

Paul appears to be following in the footsteps of his father — former Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) — in advancing the call to have the U.S. completely pull out of the United Nations. The elder Paul was the primary sponsor of the “American Sovereignty Restoration Act,” a bill introduced periodically from 1999 to 2009 that would ban the U.S. from membership in the U.N. Despite this antipathy towards the United Nations, Ron Paul recently turned to the U.N. system to help him gain control of a website bearing his name.

But the Republican senator from Kentucky is no stranger to using U.N. paranoia to burnish his right-wing credentials. In 2011, he sent a conspiratorial email to his supporters, warning of a supposed U.N. plot to confiscate and destroy U.S. citizens’ guns via a “Small Arms Treaty.” In reality, the U.N. Arms Trade Treaty is only just now being developed and in no way will effect civilian ownership of firearms.

Paul’s office was unable to provide any indication of the support that the amendment was expected to receive, or when it would potentially hit the floor. Paul isn’t alone in his party in advocating a withdrawal from the U.N. despite its many benefits. In particular, the U.N. saves the U.S. millions in terms of providing security. “If the U.S. was to act on its own – unilaterally – and deploy its own forces in many of these countries, for every dollar the U.S. would spend, the U.N. can accomplish the mission for twelve cents,” U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice said in an interview in 2009.

The U.S. public also disagrees with Paul on the necessity to withdraw the U.N. — a recent poll showed that eight in ten Americans believe that the U.S. needs to maintain a strong relationship with the United Nations.


http://thinkprogress.org/security/20...get/?mobile=nc

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Old 04-03-2013, 01:04 AM   #2
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The United States should give the UN 90 days notice to move out. The United States should establish a new international organization that only countries with democratic representative government can be invited to join. Yes, invited. You don't get in just because you exist. You have to establish a government that responds to the will of the people. We could even wright a charter based on the US Constitution rather than a collection of politically correct dribble.
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Old 04-03-2013, 07:46 AM   #3
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That's just silly. Paul wants us to give up the influence we have with the international community because he thinks we might sign a small arms treaty that has, per the article:

"Paul’s office was unable to provide any indication of the support that the amendment was expected to receive, or when it would potentially hit the floor."?


Our spot as a permanent member of the Security Council alone gives us such ability to dictate policy there that it'd be foolish to give that up on rumors of a possible small amendment we don't like.
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Old 04-03-2013, 08:41 AM   #4
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whack job.

part of the Librarian's isolationist agenda.

sounds a lot like Kim Jung Un's plan to keep his people disconnected from the world...
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Old 04-03-2013, 09:14 AM   #5
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Small amendment? Really? Which one exactly are you speaking of? The one where we as sovereign Americans will be forced to register our guns (that'll be the fuckin day) that small amendment? You bet your ass. The UN is the beginning of one world government. I refuse to comply.
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You WILL have a civil war on your hands.
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Old 04-03-2013, 11:58 AM   #7
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Register PEOPLE not GUNS!

The MOUTH shall rise again!!!!!

Yeeee-motherfucking-hawwww!

(BTW -- what the fuck does that have to do with the UN, SFG?)
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Old 04-03-2013, 12:59 PM   #8
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there is an up side ... no more UN assistance the next time some whack job president starts a street fight in the desert
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Old 04-03-2013, 01:06 PM   #9
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Register PEOPLE not GUNS!

The MOUTH shall rise again!!!!!

Yeeee-motherfucking-hawwww!

(BTW -- what the fuck does that have to do with the UN, SFG?)

Despite what the US constitution says, there is some nut job internet rumor going around that the UN will make US citizens register their guns. Probably a rumor started by the NRA to stoke the fires of small minds to raise more money.
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Old 04-03-2013, 01:40 PM   #10
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Despite what the US constitution says, there is some nut job internet rumor going around that the UN will make US citizens register their guns. Probably a rumor started by the NRA to stoke the fires of small minds to raise more money.
Since when did the Guardian become an affiliate of the NRA?

"The United Nations has adopted its first ever treaty aimed at controlling the trade in conventional weapons, voting it through by a large majority [including the U.S.] despite earlier being blocked by three countries....

"The treaty will not control the domestic use of weapons but requires countries that ratify the treaty to establish national regulations to control the transfer of conventional arms, parts and components and to regulate arms brokers. It covers battle tanks, armoured combat vehicles, large-calibre artillery systems, combat aircraft, attack helicopters, warships, missiles and missile launchers, as well as small arms and light weapons...."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...es-arms-treaty
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Old 04-03-2013, 03:06 PM   #11
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Despite what the US constitution says, there is some nut job internet rumor going around that the UN will make US citizens register their guns. Probably a rumor started by the NRA to stoke the fires of small minds to raise more money.
The UN has no legal authority over anyone.

period.

PS -- did you come back in the same late-model HUFF you left in, Corpy? Twice?
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Old 04-03-2013, 03:14 PM   #12
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The UN has no legal authority over anyone.

period.

PS -- did you come back in the same late-model HUFF you left in, Corpy? Twice?
Again, never left, you ignorant, shit-for-brains, golem fuck.
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Old 04-03-2013, 04:23 PM   #13
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Nice. Glad you brought feces into the conversation, Corpy! We thought you'd run oft agin!
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Nice. Glad you brought feces into the conversation, Corpy! We thought you'd run oft agin!

Once again you’re demonstrating that you’re a dumb-ass, moronic hypocrite, you shit-for-brains golem fuck. You brought fecal matter into the conversation when you posted “Corpy”, you shit-for-brains golem fuck; plus, read your signature line, jackass, you introduce fecal matter into the conversation every time you post!

BTW, you shit-for-brains golem fuck, golems are subhuman pieces of animated shit; as such, they do not "think." So once again you're demonstrating how your ASSumptions are always ignorant and wrong.



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PS -- did you come back in the same late-model HUFF you left in, Corpy? Twice?
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Old 04-03-2013, 09:50 PM   #15
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Fuck the UN, and fuck giving them 90 days, throw them the fuck out right now. Most corrupt entity around, besides osumbos administration. Bunch of blood suckers, turn that place into a first class hotel, and make some money off that fucker, instead of a bottomless money pit.
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