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Old 11-07-2012, 10:44 AM   #1
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Default Obama May Levy Carbon Tax To Cut U.S. Deficit, HSBC Says (United Nations Agenda 21)

By Mathew Carr on November 07, 2012

Barack Obama may consider introducing a tax on carbon emissions to help cut the U.S. budget deficit after winning a second term as president, according to HSBC Holdings Plc.

A tax starting at $20 a metric ton of carbon dioxide equivalent and rising at about 6 percent a year could raise $154 billion by 2021, Nick Robins, an analyst at the bank in London, said today in an e-mailed research note, citing Congressional Research Service estimates. “Applied to the Congressional Budget Office’s 2012 baseline, this would halve the fiscal deficit by 2022,” Robins said.

Hurricane Sandy sparked discussion on climate protection in the election after presidential candidates focused on other debates, HSBC said. A continued Republican majority in the U.S. House of Representatives means Obama’s scope for action will be limited, Robins said. Cap-and-trade legislation stalled in the U.S. Senate after narrowly passing the house in 2009.

North American discharges fell 1.3 percent last year amid slowing economic growth. In China, the world’s biggest emitter, greenhouse gases from fuel use rose more than 9 percent in 2011, according to BP Plc (BP/) statistics published on June 13.

“Cap-and-trade has been demonized” and Obama probably won’t seek to install such a program in his second term, Richard Sandor, founder of the world’s biggest carbon trading exchange in Europe, said today at the presentation in London of his book titled Good Derivatives.

New carbon trading programs in California, China and Brazil may encourage U.S. lawmakers to introduce greenhouse gas trading by about 2020, Sandor said.

‘Moral Authority’
“We’ve lost our moral authority in the U.S.,” he said. “You haven’t here in Europe.”

Prices in the European Union carbon market, the world’s biggest by traded volume, dropped to a four-year low in April on surging supply and flagging demand.

Obama and the U.S. Congress should consider a carbon tax to help meet the government’s looming need for revenue, according to the Center for Climate and Energy Solutions in Arlington, Virginia.

The tax would not necessarily add to the economy’s total tax burden, according to Elliot Diringer, executive vice president of the research group. Such a tax may free up space for reductions in company taxes that dissuade employment, for example, Diringer said in an interview from Arlington.

“We have lots of need for new revenue to address our challenges,” which include priorities for conservatives such as extending tax cuts, avoiding deep defense cuts, reducing the corporate tax rate, reforming tax territoriality, and deficit reduction, the group said today in an e-mailed statement.

“While Sandy’s lessons are still fresh, the president should be clear about the urgency of cutting carbon emissions and strengthening critical infrastructure to protect Americans against the rising costs of climate change,” the group said yesterday in a separate statement.

To contact the reporter on this story: Mathew Carr in London at m.carr@bloomberg.net

To contact the editor responsible for this story: Lars Paulsson at lpaulsson@bloomberg.net

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I gave them a heads up on this. Only the Congress can initiate a tax increase according to our Constitution. So if Congress isn't going to do it then how will it get done.
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Climate change?! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! The idiots need to support this so electric rates go up on the middle class........they need an increase in their electricity expense.....
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may levy?

think you can hold up under the stress of locating and posting mays and mights for the next 4 years?

shit like that is the primary reason Obama won last night ... keep it up, the dems need you in 2016
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may levy?

think you can hold up under the stress of locating and posting mays and mights for the next 4 years?

shit like that is the primary reason Obama won last night ... keep it up, the dems need you in 2016

You're right....he's making this shit up....just ignore it!


HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:39 PM   #6
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You're right....he's making this shit up....just ignore it!


HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA! HA!

the swing states did just that last night


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA
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may levy?

think you can hold up under the stress of locating and posting mays and mights for the next 4 years?

shit like that is the primary reason Obama won last night ... keep it up, the dems need you in 2016
H.R. 6338: Managed Carbon Price Act of 2012

Obama has and could override the congress, he's done it before...


Again I disagree... the reason why Obama won is because people have no clue what's going on.
Both sides!
Sorry, I'm not a reactionary...
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H.R. 6338: Managed Carbon Price Act of 2012

Obama has and could override the congress, he's done it before...

unless its a major issue with the voting public, and carbon tax isnt, the very small sector youre preaching to and the message youre preaching is totally irrelevent .. no may or maybe about it.

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unless its a major issue with the voting public, and carbon tax isnt, the very small sector youre preaching to and the message youre preaching is totally irrelevent .. no may or maybe about it.

cheers
Like I said the voters have no clue... on ALL the issues.
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Like I said the voters have no clue... on ALL the issues.

maybe when unemployment drops and people have jobs and some security that their homes and family is pretty safe, issues like carbon tax will get some attention ... maybe
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maybe when unemployment drops and people have jobs and some security that their homes and family is pretty safe, issues like carbon tax will get some attention ... maybe
The Federal Reserve dual mandate is price stability and full employment.
Again, the voters are not informed.
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A great idea. But no way in hell it's going to happen. Tax bills have to originate in the House.
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