Loveduck,
You mention you paid daily with cash. What you also did was openly declare yourself to the front desk by doing that. Thus, the hotel had popo stop by to ask you to vacate.
The real issue is that there's clearly a bible thumper at a Sr. staff level at the hotel, whom has taken upon themselves to cure the world. There's nothing anyone can do about this except to avoid that particular establishment. So yes appropriate to let the other hobby folks in that area know to avoid that place.
Also, I would bet that the popo write up that supports them issuing you a ticket will include a statement from hotel staff witnesses (the bible thumper), otherwise they would not have issued a ticket, just asked you to leave. Thus, you need to have an atty handle that ticket for you.
Last, the rest of this is not directed at you. It's for the other posters.
Be safe, play safe, and best wishes.
But first;
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Originally Posted by trippplextc8
Wow I felt like I was in a court room while adding this thread...
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Yup, here we go (and thx for an excellent segue):
Sorry Doc,
Hotels always can toss.
And they can always ask popo to help.
And once hotel has made a decision to ask someone to leave, the occupant is no longer an authorized guest and reasonable expectation of privacy is gone.
United States v. Rambo, 789 F.2d 1289, 1296 (8th Cir.1986)
Might have a few minutes to pack, but that's it.
And, as the occupant is no longer an authorized guest, the room is wide open for entry.
And of course, if popo is helping get a room vacated, if they see anything, well....
BTW, in my area, search warrants can be obtained in just a few minutes through handhelds.
I used to work hotel operations. And this is the way it is in the real world. And there are reports on every single thing that involves a guest or any other type of incident (and nowadays including video clips). Anyone who objects to vacating a hotel room is just digging a deeper hole for themselves.
Now just for clarity, hotels have long valid practice for tossing anyone that disturbs the peace, being suspected of this boards guideline 15 whatnot, or other whatnot.
Frankly, it's usually drunks or party folks. That said, there's a zillion cases and hotels win 99.999% of the time.
Examples:
Smoking in a non-smoking is a valid reason.
Payment issues are valid reasons.
Making disturbances (usually noise)are valid reasons.
Objectionable Conduct is a valid reason.
Illegal Activity (or suspicion of) is a valid reason.
In one amusing case Jehovah's Witnesses were tossed cause they could not refrain from trying to preach to other guests. First amendment speech rights protections, etc. were ruled not applicable, and the JV's lost.
Last, once no longer a guest, the various laws regarding trespassing also come into play.
Jon, or others, will probably torch me, but I lived this stuff for several years, and the popo will always do what the hotel staff want to happen.
But, here's an item that a lot of hotel folks are aware of from the US 8th Circuit Court of Appeals. This write references codes in multiple states and covers multiple issues related to removing hotel guests. And, this specifically deals with "expectations of privacy" and "entering rooms". Note that the Hammond's Hotel outfit was based in Missouri at the time (my backyard).
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-8th-circuit/1441593.html
i have a serious question how can the cops?
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