Oliver Stone to RT: ‘US has become an Orwellian state’

[CuteOldGuy]

Here's an interesting and unexpected point of view:

Americans are living in an Orwellian state argue Academy Award-winning director Oliver Stone and historian Peter Kuznick, as they sit down with RT to discuss US foreign policy and the Obama administration’s disregard for the rule of law.

Both argue that Obama is a wolf in sheep’s clothing and that people have forgiven him a lot because of the “nightmare of the Bush presidency that preceded him.”

“He has taken all the Bush changes he basically put them into the establishment, he has codified them,” Stone told RT. “It is an Orwellian state. It might not be oppressive on the surface, but there is no place to hide. Some part of you is going to end up in the database somewhere.”

According to Kuznick, American citizens live in a fish tank where their government intercepts more than 1.7 billion messages a day. “That is email, telephone calls, other forms of communication.”

RT’s Abby Martin in the program Breaking the Set discusses the Showtime film series and book titled The Untold History of the United States co-authored by Oliver Stone and Peter Kuznick.

Anybody watching the series on Showtime?

The full interview is here:

http://rt.com/news/oliver-stone-us-orwellian-022/

[joe bloe]

Oliver Stone is a crackpot. He's a fan of Castro and Chavez. You'd think he'd be happy to give up his freedom to the all powerful federal government. Does he think they're free in Cuba?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u5iGx1rYLM

[CuteOldGuy]

Yes, I know he's a crackpot, which I why I thought it was interesting.

[WTF]

Even crackpots get it right from time to time.

Hell i have agreed with you two wacko's every once in a while!

[Yssup Rider]

and we've got our share of crackpots around here!

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by WTF

Even crackpots get it right from time to time.

Hell i have agreed with you two wacko's every once in a while!

So does this mean you agree with Stone that Obama is a "wolf in sheep's clothing?"

There may be hope for you yet.

[JD Barleycorn]

Do you realize that if I find a piece of land and want to buy it with cash from the owner. No loan, no liens, no nothing that I still have to file documents with the government and I don't mean the local tax people. I'm talking about the federal government.

Anyone want to explain that necessity?

[i'va biggen]

It's the law.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

It's the law.

That's an argument a ten year old would make.

Is the law constitutional? The Dimo's discovered a so called "right to privacy" that supposedly gives women a constitutionally guaranteed right to kill their children in the womb. Why does the "right to privacy" not extend to buying and selling land?

The reason the government wants to know everything about us is so it can control us. The government sees the people as unruly children that need to be monitored and regulated.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

The reason the government wants to know everything about us is so it can control us. The government sees the people as unruly children that need to be monitored and regulated.

I once again want to thank Jerry Fletcher, errrrrr Joe the Bloehard, for another timely update!

[WTF]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

So does this mean you agree with Stone that Obama is a "wolf in sheep's clothing?"

There may be hope for you yet.

Only to people that do not understand that all politicians are wolves...including you Tea pots. It is the nature of the beast.

So no , I do not agree with Stone, from my POV, all politicians are wolves in wolf clothing.

That includes the framers of the Constitution. Throughout time , people set things up eith to aquire more power or maaintain the power they have aquired. What makes you think Washington , Jefferson or Madison were any different?

[joe bloe]

It's ironic that a socialist like Stone should criticize Obama for abuses of privacy by calling it Orwellian. George Orwell was a socialist that warned about the danger that socialism posed to freedom and privacy. You'd think, at some point, the socialists would realize that socialism is fundamentally flawed. It's not a good system that needs to be fine tuned. It's a bad system that needs to be abandoned.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

It's ironic that a socialist like Stone should criticize Obama for abuses of privacy by calling it Orwellian. George Orwell was a socialist that warned about the danger that socialism posed to freedom and privacy. You'd think, at some point, the socialists would realize that socialism is fundamentally flawed. It's not a good system that needs to be fine tuned. It's a bad system that needs to be abandoned.

Thanks once again, Jerry. It's always nice to hear from the obsessive-compulsive during the holiday season.

[joe bloe]

Originally Posted by bigtex

Thanks once again, Jerry. It's always nice to hear from the obsessive-compulsive during the holiday season.

"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"

Barry Goldwater

PS Bite me.

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!"

Barry Goldwater

PS Bite me.

Thanks Joe the Bloehard. Or would you prefer I just call you Jerry?

PS: Happy New Year to you too!