OBAMA'S WAR ON MIDDLE CLASS CONTINUES.....

[Whirlaway]

He plans to pay for his "free college for all" program by taxing the college savings of American households !

Earnings from college savings plans (529) will be taxed; along with a capital gains rate hike, a stealth increase in the death tax rate from 40% to nearly 60%, a bank tax, plus tax increases on retirement plans, along with a new employer mandate.

More wealth redistribution from America's failed president.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...llege-savings/

[rioseco]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

He plans to pay for his "free college for all" program by taxing the college savings of American households !

Earnings from college savings plans (529) will be taxed; along with a capital gains rate hike, a stealth increase in the death tax rate from 40% to nearly 60%, a bank tax, plus tax increases on retirement plans, along with a new employer mandate.

More wealth redistribution from America's failed president.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...llege-savings/

His jihad against white middle class continues. POS !

[Guest101016]

Here's an idea lower the cost of schooling too begin with then there would not be so many people in debt from school loans and all of this could be prevented. There is never going to be completely free college that's unrealistic almost as unrealistic as paying for it so my suggestion to the president is simple make college affordable not "free" don't raise taxes in other areas and BAM! its a win win!

[boardman]

Originally Posted by sexiiladii90

Here's an idea lower the cost of schooling too begin with then there would not be so many people in debt from school loans and all of this could be prevented. There is never going to be completely free college that's unrealistic almost as unrealistic as paying for it so my suggestion to the president is simple make college affordable not "free" don't raise taxes in other areas and BAM! its a win win!

Just exactly how does a President tell colleges, the majority of which are overseen by the state and already have the lowest relative cost, that they must lower their tuitions and enforce that?

Nothing is free, someone has to pay.
Kids get their education paid for all the time by scholarships, many of which are privately funded. If a kid wants a college education he can work for it. Either get a job and pay your way through school, Excel as an athlete or excel academically. That's how you earn your education, not off the backs of others.

Giving a free education to anyone who says they want it devalues the education of the ones who worked for it.

[Budman]

http://rightturnforever.com/2014/09/lou-holtz-nails-it/


YEP, VERY PROFOUND… AND TRUE… Lou Holtz nails it
The Democrats are right, there are two Americas. The America that works and the America that doesn’t. The America that contributes and the America that doesn’t. It’s not the haves and the have nots, it’s the dos and the don’ts. Some people do their duty as Americans, obey the law, support themselves, contribute to society and others don’t. That’s the divide in America .
It’s not about income inequality, it’s about civic irresponsibility. It’s about a political party that preaches hatred, greed and victimization in order to win elective office. It’s about a political party that loves power more than it loves its country.
That’s not invective, that’s truth, and it’s about time someone said it.
The politics of envy was on proud display a couple weeks ago when President Obama pledged the rest of his term to fighting “income inequality.” He noted that some people make more than other people, that some people have higher incomes than others, and he says that’s not just. That is the rationale of thievery.
The other guy has it, you want it, Obama will take it for you. Vote Democrat. That is the philosophy that produced Detroit.
It is the electoral philosophy that is destroying America. It conceals a fundamental deviation from American values and common sense because it ends up not benefiting the people who support it, but a betrayal.
The Democrats have not empowered their followers, they have enslaved them in a culture of dependence and entitlement, of victim-hood and anger instead of ability and hope. The president’s premise – that you reduce income inequality by debasing the successful–seeks to deny the successful the consequences of their choices and spare the unsuccessful the consequences of their choices. Because, by and large, income variations in society are a result of different choices leading to different consequences.
Those who choose wisely and responsibly have a far greater likelihood of success, while those who choose foolishly and irresponsibly have a far greater likelihood of failure.
Success and failure usually manifest themselves in personal and family income. You choose to drop out of high school or to skip college – and you are apt to have a different outcome than someone who gets a diploma and pushes on with purposeful education.
You have your children out of wedlock and life is apt to take one course; you have them within a marriage and life is apt to take another course. Most often in life our destination is determined by the course we take.
My doctor, for example, makes far more than I do. There is significant income inequality between us. Our lives have had an inequality of outcome, but, our lives also have had an in equality of effort. While my doctor went to college and then devoted his young adulthood to medical school and residency, I got a job in a restaurant. He made a choice, I made a choice, and our choices led us to different outcomes. His outcome pays a lot better than mine. Does that mean he cheated and Barack Obama needs to take away his wealth? No, it means we are both free men in a free society where free choices lead to different outcomes.
It is not inequality Barack Obama intends to take away, it is freedom. The freedom to succeed, and the freedom to fail. There is no true option for success if there is no true option for failure. The pursuit of happiness means a whole lot less when you face the punitive hand of government if your pursuit brings you more happiness than the other guy. Even if the other guy sat on his arse and did nothing. Even if the other guy made a lifetime’s worth of asinine and short sighted decisions.
Barack Obama and the Democrats preach equality of outcome as a right, while completely ignoring inequality of effort.
The simple Law of the Harvest – as ye sow, so shall ye reap – is sometimes applied as, “The harder you work, the more you get.”
Obama would turn that upside down. Those who achieve are to be punished as enemies of society and those who fail are to be rewarded as wards of society. Entitlement will replace effort as the key to upward mobility in American society if Barack Obama gets his way. He seeks a lowest common denominator society in which the government besieges the successful and productive to foster equality through mediocrity. He and his party speak of two Americas, and their grip on power is based on using the votes of one to sap the productivity of the other. America is not divided by the differences in our outcomes, it is divided by the differences in our efforts.
It is a false philosophy to say one man’s success comes about unavoidably as the result of another man’s victimization.
What Obama offered was not a solution, but a separatism. He fomented division and strife, pitted one set of Americans against another for his own political benefit. That’s what socialists offer. Marxist class warfare wrapped up with a bow. Two Americas, coming closer each day to proving the truth to Lincoln’s maxim that a house divided against itself cannot stand.
“Life is ten percent what happens to you and ninety percent how you respond to it.”

[Yssup Rider]

Talk about a RWWipe reach around?

I especially enjoyed rio's continued shitting on all things education. Easy there, fella, you DONT have to go to school for free. You can continue your education right here on ECCIE.

[Jewish Lawyer]

Originally Posted by Budman

http://rightturnforever.com/2014/09/lou-holtz-nails-it/


YEP, VERY PROFOUND… AND TRUE… Lou Holtz nails it
The Democrats are right, there are two Americas. The America that works and the America that doesn’t. The America that contributes and the America that doesn’t. It’s not the haves and the have nots, it’s the dos and the don’ts. Some people do their duty as Americans, obey the law, support themselves, contribute to society and others don’t. That’s the divide in America .
It’s not about income inequality, it’s about civic irresponsibility. It’s about a political party that preaches hatred, greed and victimization in order to win elective office. It’s about a political party that loves power more than it loves its country.
That’s not invective, that’s truth, and it’s about time someone said it.
The politics of envy was on proud display a couple weeks ago when President Obama pledged the rest of his term to fighting “income inequality.” He noted that some people make more than other people, that some people have higher incomes than others, and he says that’s not just. That is the rationale of thievery.
The other guy has it, you want it, Obama will take it for you. Vote Democrat. That is the philosophy that produced Detroit.
It is the electoral philosophy that is destroying America. It conceals a fundamental deviation from American values and common sense because it ends up not benefiting the people who support it, but a betrayal.
The Democrats have not empowered their followers, they have enslaved them in a culture of dependence and entitlement, of victim-hood and anger instead of ability and hope. The president’s premise – that you reduce income inequality by debasing the successful–seeks to deny the successful the consequences of their choices and spare the unsuccessful the consequences of their choices. Because, by and large, income variations in society are a result of different choices leading to different consequences.
Those who choose wisely and responsibly have a far greater likelihood of success, while those who choose foolishly and irresponsibly have a far greater likelihood of failure.
Success and failure usually manifest themselves in personal and family income. You choose to drop out of high school or to skip college – and you are apt to have a different outcome than someone who gets a diploma and pushes on with purposeful education.
You have your children out of wedlock and life is apt to take one course; you have them within a marriage and life is apt to take another course. Most often in life our destination is determined by the course we take.
My doctor, for example, makes far more than I do. There is significant income inequality between us. Our lives have had an inequality of outcome, but, our lives also have had an in equality of effort. While my doctor went to college and then devoted his young adulthood to medical school and residency, I got a job in a restaurant. He made a choice, I made a choice, and our choices led us to different outcomes. His outcome pays a lot better than mine. Does that mean he cheated and Barack Obama needs to take away his wealth? No, it means we are both free men in a free society where free choices lead to different outcomes.
It is not inequality Barack Obama intends to take away, it is freedom. The freedom to succeed, and the freedom to fail. There is no true option for success if there is no true option for failure. The pursuit of happiness means a whole lot less when you face the punitive hand of government if your pursuit brings you more happiness than the other guy. Even if the other guy sat on his arse and did nothing. Even if the other guy made a lifetime’s worth of asinine and short sighted decisions.
Barack Obama and the Democrats preach equality of outcome as a right, while completely ignoring inequality of effort.
The simple Law of the Harvest – as ye sow, so shall ye reap – is sometimes applied as, “The harder you work, the more you get.”
Obama would turn that upside down. Those who achieve are to be punished as enemies of society and those who fail are to be rewarded as wards of society. Entitlement will replace effort as the key to upward mobility in American society if Barack Obama gets his way. He seeks a lowest common denominator society in which the government besieges the successful and productive to foster equality through mediocrity. He and his party speak of two Americas, and their grip on power is based on using the votes of one to sap the productivity of the other. America is not divided by the differences in our outcomes, it is divided by the differences in our efforts.
It is a false philosophy to say one man’s success comes about unavoidably as the result of another man’s victimization.
What Obama offered was not a solution, but a separatism. He fomented division and strife, pitted one set of Americans against another for his own political benefit. That’s what socialists offer. Marxist class warfare wrapped up with a bow. Two Americas, coming closer each day to proving the truth to Lincoln’s maxim that a house divided against itself cannot stand.
“Life is ten percent what happens to you and ninety percent how you respond to it.”

Long Live Coach Holtz! Notice how he patriotically pointed out America is failing?
It is not unpatriotic to point out that the liberal bastards are killing America.
All those new jobs Obama is crowing about pay less for more hours.
If not for QE2 and deficit spending, the USA would be a broke ass motherfucking faggot loving loser of a country.
It was once the greatest country in the history of the world.

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by rioseco

His jihad against white middle class continues. POS !

What about the black middle class, riocracker? or the brown middle class?

This is precisely why you were tagged as an ignorant fuck when you first started posting your goddamned racist KKK rhetoric in this forum.

We only we found out about your lack of education, communication skills and knowledge of the world around after you'd posted for a while.

Don't ask why you're called an ignorant fuck or whine because you are.

You have earned it.

Ignorant fuck.

[nevergaveitathought]

Originally Posted by sexiiladii90

Here's an idea lower the cost of schooling too begin with then there would not be so many people in debt from school loans and all of this could be prevented. There is never going to be completely free college that's unrealistic almost as unrealistic as paying for it so my suggestion to the president is simple make college affordable not "free" don't raise taxes in other areas and BAM! its a win win!

Hear! Hear!

the cost of college has risen dramatically as the hand of government has been ever more involved

ease of government college loans along with free rides for some paid by the government has allowed the cost of post secondary education to rise beyond its true worth as educators see this pool of money and feather bed their nest. it becomes a circular equation, more money? oh yeah more salaries and benefits and oh the cost just went up

it was quite evident when the penn state/joe paterno affair hit and all the administrator roaches were scurrying for cover with their $400,000 per year pensions

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Jewish Lawyer

Long Live Coach Holtz! Notice how he patriotically pointed out America is failing?
It is not unpatriotic to point out that the liberal bastards are killing America.
All those new jobs Obama is crowing about pay less for more hours.
If not for QE2 and deficit spending, the USA would be a broke ass motherfucking faggot loving loser of a country.
It was once the greatest country in the history of the world.

Herr Holtz is a football coach who the game passed by.

Why don't you ask Coach Bellichek?

BTW -- Whir-LIE-turd, please read the other threads in the forum before you start posting duplicates. this subject has been posted.

Is this another Benghazi thread?

[Yssup Rider]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

He plans to pay for his "free college for all" program by taxing the college savings of American households !

Earnings from college savings plans (529) will be taxed; along with a capital gains rate hike, a stealth increase in the death tax rate from 40% to nearly 60%, a bank tax, plus tax increases on retirement plans, along with a new employer mandate.

More wealth redistribution from America's failed president.


http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...llege-savings/

That is not really what is says, for a change, is it, Whir-LIE-turd? Even Breitbart won't take credit for that bit of cyber shit.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Budman

http://rightturnforever.com/2014/09/lou-holtz-nails-it/


YEP, VERY PROFOUND… AND TRUE… Lou Holtz nails it
The Democrats are right, there are two Americas. The America that works and the America that doesn’t. The America that contributes and the America that doesn’t. It’s not the haves and the have nots, it’s the dos and the don’ts. Some people do their duty as Americans, obey the law, support themselves, contribute to society and others don’t. That’s the divide in America .
It’s not about income inequality, it’s about civic irresponsibility. It’s about a political party that preaches hatred, greed and victimization in order to win elective office. It’s about a political party that loves power more than it loves its country.
That’s not invective, that’s truth, and it’s about time someone said it.
The politics of envy was on proud display a couple weeks ago when President Obama pledged the rest of his term to fighting “income inequality.” He noted that some people make more than other people, that some people have higher incomes than others, and he says that’s not just. That is the rationale of thievery.
The other guy has it, you want it, Obama will take it for you. Vote Democrat. That is the philosophy that produced Detroit.
It is the electoral philosophy that is destroying America. It conceals a fundamental deviation from American values and common sense because it ends up not benefiting the people who support it, but a betrayal.
The Democrats have not empowered their followers, they have enslaved them in a culture of dependence and entitlement, of victim-hood and anger instead of ability and hope. The president’s premise – that you reduce income inequality by debasing the successful–seeks to deny the successful the consequences of their choices and spare the unsuccessful the consequences of their choices. Because, by and large, income variations in society are a result of different choices leading to different consequences.
Those who choose wisely and responsibly have a far greater likelihood of success, while those who choose foolishly and irresponsibly have a far greater likelihood of failure.
Success and failure usually manifest themselves in personal and family income. You choose to drop out of high school or to skip college – and you are apt to have a different outcome than someone who gets a diploma and pushes on with purposeful education.
You have your children out of wedlock and life is apt to take one course; you have them within a marriage and life is apt to take another course. Most often in life our destination is determined by the course we take.
My doctor, for example, makes far more than I do. There is significant income inequality between us. Our lives have had an inequality of outcome, but, our lives also have had an in equality of effort. While my doctor went to college and then devoted his young adulthood to medical school and residency, I got a job in a restaurant. He made a choice, I made a choice, and our choices led us to different outcomes. His outcome pays a lot better than mine. Does that mean he cheated and Barack Obama needs to take away his wealth? No, it means we are both free men in a free society where free choices lead to different outcomes.
It is not inequality Barack Obama intends to take away, it is freedom. The freedom to succeed, and the freedom to fail. There is no true option for success if there is no true option for failure. The pursuit of happiness means a whole lot less when you face the punitive hand of government if your pursuit brings you more happiness than the other guy. Even if the other guy sat on his arse and did nothing. Even if the other guy made a lifetime’s worth of asinine and short sighted decisions.
Barack Obama and the Democrats preach equality of outcome as a right, while completely ignoring inequality of effort.
The simple Law of the Harvest – as ye sow, so shall ye reap – is sometimes applied as, “The harder you work, the more you get.”
Obama would turn that upside down. Those who achieve are to be punished as enemies of society and those who fail are to be rewarded as wards of society. Entitlement will replace effort as the key to upward mobility in American society if Barack Obama gets his way. He seeks a lowest common denominator society in which the government besieges the successful and productive to foster equality through mediocrity. He and his party speak of two Americas, and their grip on power is based on using the votes of one to sap the productivity of the other. America is not divided by the differences in our outcomes, it is divided by the differences in our efforts.
It is a false philosophy to say one man’s success comes about unavoidably as the result of another man’s victimization.
What Obama offered was not a solution, but a separatism. He fomented division and strife, pitted one set of Americans against another for his own political benefit. That’s what socialists offer. Marxist class warfare wrapped up with a bow. Two Americas, coming closer each day to proving the truth to Lincoln’s maxim that a house divided against itself cannot stand.
“Life is ten percent what happens to you and ninety percent how you respond to it.”

Excellent speech, but in searching for the original, it turns out that the author is a columnist named Bob Lonsberry. The website giving credit to Lou Holtz may not be aware that Holtz was using Lonsberry's words. ijs

[cptjohnstone]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

Herr Holtz is a football coach who the game passed by.

you dumb ass, Holtz is NOW an announcer on ESPN

but I guess you spend so much time on this board you do not watch any sports

[WTF]

What is this bullshit about a free education? If a free education is so bad than rich kids should have to work for their degree! Hell Elementary , Junior and High School you should be made to work! Lol you boys are something else..

[JD Barleycorn]

No president can tell a college how much to charge but a president could freeze student loan interest (since Obama took them off the hands of private lenders) at maybe 2%. That he could do by executive order and actually accomplish something inside of just having something to play politics with. Another thing, he could by executive order increase the payoff period to 20 years instead of 10. I know a young woman who is $300,000 in debt getting her PhD (plus two BAs, and two ASs.) Can you imagine trying to pay off $30,000 a year in debt when you're just starting out?

Of course we're just talking because Obama doesn't want to solve problems, he just wants a weapon to use against his opponents....the American people.