Voter fraud bullshit exposed!

[markroxny]

nvestigator's Guide to Voter Fraud

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In the aftermath of a close election, some are quick to blame voter fraud for the results. Allegations of fraud, however, are often greatly exaggerated – on closer examination, the claims amount to a great deal of smoke without much fire. In an effort to focus the upcoming election on the facts, we offer this guide to common flaws in claims of voter fraud. We urge reporters, analysts, advocates, and scholars interested in the election process to ask the following questions when confronting a claim that voter fraud has occurred.
Is the alleged problem explained by undue reliance on faulty lists or a flawed list-matching process? Claims of voter fraud are often premised on attempts to compare lists of voters to lists of people ineligible to vote. However, the process of matching information from list to list is full of pitfalls. The following questions will reveal some of the more common ways in which fraud claims based on matching may be bogus.
Are the underlying lists accurate? Large databases are vulnerable to human error and other inaccuracies. For example, the Social Security Administration’s “Master Death Index,” often used to identify voters who are allegedly deceased, is known to have an error rate of more than 3%.[1] Such errors are compounded over time: the leading expert on list-matching for the U.S. Bureau of the Census estimates that in a large California employment database, “[o]ver a period of twenty years, the records [associated] with each individual can expect to contain at least two errors where the [Social Security Number] has been mis-keyed or transcribed improperly.”[2]
Were the underlying lists compiled for a different purpose? Databases that were not compiled for election or identification purposes may contain information that proves misleading in the voting context. In St. Louis in 2000, based on city property records, voters were alleged to have registered from vacant lots. But the property records apparently classified a multi-parcel address as vacant even if only one of the parcels was vacant; further investigation by local reporters revealed that the supposedly vacant lots contained valid residences.[3]
Were the underlying lists missing important information (e.g. date of birth)? Those searching for fraud often compare identifying information on lists to allege that two entries represent the same person. In New Jersey in 2005, several thousand voters were alleged to have committed fraud based on such a comparison. But records in one county – a county disproportionately represented in the claims of fraudulent votes – were missing birthdates entirely. Some voters were listed only with month and year of birth. And others were listed with a birthdate of January 1, 1880 – which was most likely a system default for missing information.[4] Given the missing information, it was unwarranted to conclude that two individuals sharing the same name alone represented the same person.
Did the comparison process accept a partial match of any field? Comparing information accurately on two different lists requires precision. In contrast, loose matching criteria produce what are known as “false positives”: records that appear to correspond to the same individual, but in fact do not. In Florida in 2000, in assembling a set of voters to be purged, a vendor found “matches” in the first name if the first four letters were the same on two different lists, and “matches” in the last name if 80% of the letters were the same.[5] The final set of voters to be purged, of course, contained the names of many individuals whose records had been falsely matched.
Did the match process take middle initials or suffixes (e.g. Jr., Sr., III) into account? The same Florida procedure described above also failed to account for different suffixes and middle initials, so that Rev. Willie D. Whiting, Jr., was confused with Willie J. Whiting.[6] Allegations in New Jersey in 2005 showed the same problem: James A. Smith and James G. Smith were presumed to be the same person, as were J. T. Kearns and J. T. Kearns, Jr.[7] And in New Hampshire, 22 pairs of people who shared the same first and last names were flagged for possible double-voting; in fact, all of the flagged voters have different middle names.[8]
Did the match process take the “birthdate problem” into account? Even given an exact match, two entries with the same name and birthdate may not represent the same individual. Statistics students are often surprised to discover that in a group of 23 people, it is more likely than not that two will share the same month and day of birth; in a group of 150, two will probably share the same birthdate. In any group of significant size, statistics tell us that there will be enough people with the same name that two will be born on the same day.[9] Therefore, it should not be surprising that Kathleen Sullivan was most likely listed twice on the 2004 New Jersey voter rolls not because one woman drove 161 miles to cast a second ballot, but because two women named Kathleen Sullivan share the same birthdate.[10]
Is the alleged problem explained by basic recordkeeping errors? Minor human error infects many election records: typos and misspellings on voter registration lists, the wrong name marked on a pollbook. Though these errors may not alter the result of any election, they could well create the appearance of fraud where none exists.
Is there any way to be sure that a data entry error didn’t lead to false information? Typographical errors happen. In Washington State in 2006, Marina Petrienko tried to register to vote for the first time, but a county official mis-typed the year of her birth, entering “1976” into the database, instead of the year on her form: “1975.” First-time Illinois voters Mike and Sung Kim “had been mistakenly registered with Kim as their first names” in 2004.[11] And in Milwaukee, Victor Moy was listed on the rolls as living at 8183 W. Thurston Avenue, but actually resides at number 8153.[12] Because such typos may prevent registrations from being externally validated by information in other sources, officials and observers may believe that registrations are fraudulent when they are, in reality, entirely legitimate.
Is there any way to be sure that the correct name was marked in the pollbooks? Mistakes are made at the polls as well. In a jurisdiction of any significant size, it is unfortunately easy to make an entry in the pollbook next to the wrong voter’s name. For example, despite having died in 1997, Alan J. Mandel was alleged to have voted in 2000; Alan J. Mandell (two “l”s), who was very much alive and voting at the time, explained that local election workers simply checked the wrong name off of the list.[13] The same problem may occur when information from a pollbook is entered incorrectly into a county’s computer system, as in Milwaukee in 2004.[14] Or voters – legitimate voters – may make a mistake: a 1994 investigation of fraud allegations in California, for example, revealed that voters accidentally signed the poll books on the wrong lines, next to the names of deceased voters.[15]
Is there a legitimate explanation for the alleged facts? On occasion, those who claim voter fraud jump to conclusions not justified by the data in front of them. Upon further investigation, the facts often reveal that the alleged misconduct was actually entirely legitimate.
Did an individual actually live at an address zoned for business use? In most states, voters must register at a residential address; those looking for fraud may flag addresses zoned for business use as an indication of fraudulent activity. Broad zoning restrictions, however, do not account for many less traditional – but legitimate – residences. Barbara Taylor was among hundreds of Washington voters challenged in 2005 for this reason. While it is true that the address on her registration was the address of a public storage facility, Taylor explained that she is “a manager for the company and has lived in an apartment on the site for 12 years.”[16]
Did a person register twice but vote only once? Registering twice – or mistakenly leaving an old registration on the rolls – is not meaningful evidence of voting twice. In 2004, for example, federal prosecutors charged 23-year-old Wisconsinite Cynthia Alicea with double-voting. Wisconsin allows residents to register on Election Day, which Alicea did. Pollworkers found an error on the form, and asked Alicea to fill out another, which she also did – but the first form was never discarded. Although Alicea completed two registration forms, she voted only once. Yet the two registration forms sufficed to take Alicea to trial. She was promptly acquitted.[17]
Did a person listed as deceased die after casting a vote? Voting from the grave offers salacious headlines, and investigators often attempt to match death records to voter rolls in an attempt to find fraud. Yet in addition to the problems with inaccurate matching identified above, death records may only give the month or year of death – concealing citizens who voted before dying, in quite ordinary fashion. In Maryland in 1995, for example, an exhaustive investigation revealed that of 89 alleged deceased voters, none were actually dead at the time the ballot was cast. The federal agent in charge of the investigation said that the nearest they came was when they “found one person who had voted then died a week after the election.”[18] Similarly, in New Hampshire, postcards were sent to the addresses of citizens who voted in the 2004 general election; one card was returned as undeliverable because the voter died after election day, but before the postcard arrived at her home.[19]
Was a person convicted of a crime not convicted of a disqualifying felony? Reports of votes by persons with convictions have often fed claims of fraud. Yet in the vast majority of states, most convictions do not affect the defendant’s voting rights. Wallace McDonald, 64, was purged from the Florida voter rolls in 2000 because of a conviction. Yet Mr. McDonald’s crime was not a felony, for which Floridians forfeit voting rights forever – but merely a misdemeanor, which should not affect voting rights at all. Indeed, Mr. McDonald had been convicted only of falling asleep on a bench.[20] Similarly, in Washington’s 2004 gubernatorial election, hundreds of citizens were alleged to have voted illegally because of convictions that were actually juvenile dispositions – which do not disqualify voters.[21]
Did a person convicted of a disqualifying felony have her voting rights legally restored? Even in Florida, where persons with felony convictions lose their voting rights permanently, not every person convicted of a felony is ineligible to vote. Reverend Willie Dixon, 70, was purged from the Florida voter rolls in 2000 because of a felony conviction – but Reverend Dixon had been pardoned for his crime and his voting rights had been restored.[22] In most other states, persons with convictions automatically regain the franchise after release from either incarceration, probation, or parole. Allegations of fraud that look to convictions without accounting for the restoration of voting rights will often miss the mark.
Does the person alleging fraud propose a policy to solve the problem, and is the proposed policy the best solution to the problem alleged? Allegations of fraud may serve the interests of those who favor particular changes to existing election law. Some of these proposals are ostensibly justified by the need to protect against fraud, but are actually poorly tailored to serve that purpose. Investigators should carefully probe the fit between those fraud allegations that bear scrutiny and any policies proposed to address voter fraud.
Does the proposed policy require photo identification? Alleged fraud is most frequently used to justify proposals requiring photo identification of voters, including the controversial new “Federal Election Integrity Act of 2006” passed by the House of Representatives in September.[23] In 2006 alone, a quick search of news archives showed that at least 50 newspaper op-eds and editorials and at least 272 other published articles attempted to make a connection between the need for photo identification and the need to reduce voter fraud.
Does the proposed policy actually solve the problem? Some of those who support photo identification requirements indiscriminately cite examples of “fraud,” whether the cited anecdotes can be remedied by photo identification or not. In Wisconsin in 2005, for example, supporters of a restrictive identification requirement pointed repeatedly to voting by allegedly ineligible persons with convictions – even though requiring restrictive ID would not prevent voting by persons who are rendered ineligible by a conviction.[24]
Does it leave a substantial loophole (e.g. absentee ballots)? In 2005, the Georgia legislature passed a law requiring voters to show photo identification at the polls. A 1996 county vote-buying scheme was cited as justification, despite the fact that the 1996 scheme involved absentee ballot fraud, which the new photo-identification law would do nothing to prevent.[25] Indeed, by exempting absentee ballots entirely, the Georgia photo-ID law left open the most commonly cited vehicle for the occasional acts of voter fraud that have been proven.[26]
Would the alleged problem be solved by proper implementation of existing federal law? Many of the more commonly proffered allegations of voter fraud involve concerns that should be resolved by existing federal law, once new statewide voter registration databases have been fully implemented. The Help America Vote Act of 2002 (“HAVA”) imposes an identification requirement on first-time voters who have registered by mail, as long as their registration information has not been externally validated.[27] It also requires states to purge voters confirmed as deceased from the rolls, and to coordinate voter registration lists with computerized sources regarding the voting rights status of persons who have been convicted of felonies.[28] In addition to the other list maintenance required by HAVA, these three simple requirements should eventually eliminate any significant threat caused by the most commonly cited sources of alleged voter fraud.
Does the proposed policy create more problems than it solves? Legitimate cases of fraud that could be addressed by a photo identification requirement are proven to occur approximately as often as Americans are struck and killed by lightning.[29] Given the frequency of the problem, proposed solutions may be more harmful than helpful. Restrictive photo identification requirements, for example, will likely have an impact that far exceeds the negligible rate of voter fraud. Up to 10% of the voting-age population does not have state-issued photo identification.[30]This rate is disproportionately higher among minorities, low-income populations, youth, and the elderly. A recent Wisconsin study, for example, found that 78% of black men aged 18-24 had no valid driver’s license.[31]
Endnotes
[1] Preventing Identity Theft by Terrorists: Joint Hearing on SSNs and Identity Theft Before the Subcomm. on Oversight and Investigations of the H. Comm. on Financial Services, and the Subcomm. on Social Security of the H. Comm. on Ways and Means, 107th Cong. (2001) (statement of Marc Rotenberg, Executive Director, Electronic Privacy Information Center), available at http://financialservices.house.gov/m...f/110801mr.pdf.
[2] WILLIAM E. WINKLER, QUALITY OF VERY LARGE DATABASES (Bureau of the Census Stat. Res. Div., Statistical Research Report Series No. RR2001/04, 2001).
[3] LORI MINNITE & DAVID CALLAHAN, DEMOS, SECURING THE VOTE: AN ANALYSIS OF ELECTION FRAUD 49 & n.88 (2003), http://www.demos.org/pubs/EDR_-_Securing_the_Vote.pdf.
[4] Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law & Michael McDonald, Preliminary Analysis of the September 15, 2005 Report Submitted to the New Jersey Attorney General by the New Jersey Republican Party 6-7 (2005) [hereinafter New Jersey Fraud Analysis], http://www.brennancenter.org/program...20response.pdf.
[5] Greg Palast, The Wrong Way to Fix the Vote, WASH. POST, June 10, 2001, at B1.
[6] Id.
[7] New Jersey Fraud Analysis, supra note 4, at 2.
[8] Memorandum from Bud Fitch, Deputy Att’y Gen., N.H. Dep’t of Justice, to Robert Boyce, Chairman, N.H. Sen. Internal Affairs Comm., et al. (Apr. 6, 2006), http://www.nh.gov/nhdoj/publications...ful_voting.pdf.
[9] Michael P. McDonald & Justin Levitt, Seeing Double Voting 11 (Aug. 30, 2006) (unpublished manuscript, presented at the 2006 American Political Science Association Conference).
[10] Id.
[11] Burt Constable, 1st-time Voters Join Immigrant Turnout, CHI. DAILY HERALD, Nov. 5, 2004, at 1.
[12] See e.g., Greg. J. Borowski, GOP Fails to Get 5,619 Names Removed From Voting Lists, MILWAUKEE J. SENTINEL, Oct. 29, 2004, at A1.
[13] Greg Palast, The Wrong Way to Fix the Vote, WASH. POST, June 10, 2001, at B1; see also Marcia Myers, Election Theft Ruled Out, BALT. SUN, Aug. 24, 1995, at 1A.
[14] Greg J. Borowski, Nothing Points to Fraud in 9 Double Voting Cases, MILWAUKEE J. SENTINEL, Aug. 22, 2005.
[15] Lou Cannon, Editorial, Huffington’s Claims of a Stolen Election Preposterous, SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER, Jan. 23, 1995, at A7.
[16] Gregory Roberts, GOP Challenges Rights of Hundreds of Voters, SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER, Nov. 5, 2005, at A1.
[17] Gregory Stanford, Editorial, Election Fraud Witch Hunt Disillusions Young Voter, MILWAUKEE J. SENTINEL, Jan. 8, 2006, at J4.
[18] Marcia Myers, Election Theft Ruled Out, BALT. SUN, Aug. 24, 1995, at 1A.
[19] Memorandum from Bud Fitch, supra note 8.
[20] Greg Palast, Ex-con Game: How Florida’s “Felon” Voter-Purge was Itself Felonious, HARPER’S MAG., Mar. 1, 2002, at 48.
[21] David Postman, GOP’s Felon List May Be Way Off, SEATTLE TIMES, Mar. 17, 2005.
[22] Id.
[23] See, e.g., 152 CONG. REC. H6768 (daily ed. Sept. 20, 2006) (statement of Rep. Norwood); see also H6772 (statement of Rep. Burton); H6775 (statement of Rep. Royce); H6776 (statement of Rep. Ehlers).
[24] Gregory Stanford, Editorial, Voting Irregularities: State GOP Should Apologize, MILWAUKEE J. SENTINEL, Aug. 24, 2005, at A14.
[25] Jay Bookman, Editorial, Rationale for Voter ID Law Fraudulent, ATLANTA J.-CONST., Oct. 20, 2005, at 17A.
[26] Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law & Spencer Overton, Response to the Report of the 2005 Commission on Federal Election Reform 8 (2005) [hereinafter Carter-Baker Dissent], http://www.brennancenter.org/program...l%20report.pdf.
[27] See 42 U.S.C. § 15483(b).
[28] See 42 U.S.C. § 15483(a)(2), (4).
[29] Carter-Baker Dissent, supra note 26, at 10.
[30] Id. at 3.
[31] John Pawasarat, The Driver License Status of the Voting Age Population in Wisconsin 1, 11 (2005), http://www.uwm.edu/Dept/ETI/barriers/DriversLicense.pdf.
Last Updated October 2006

Case Studies by Issue

Photo ID

Much of the hue and cry about voter fraud is accompanied by calls for restrictive ID requirements, like laws requiring voters to show particular photo ID documents at the polls. Some of this may be a sincere, if mistaken, belief in the need for restrictive ID measures. But this clip from a May 17, 2007, Houston Chronicle article suggests another rationale:

Among Republicans it is an 'article of religious faith that voter fraud is causing us to lose elections,' [Royal] Masset[, former political director of the Republican Party of Texas,] said. He doesn't agree with that, but does believe that requiring photo IDs could cause enough of a dropoff in legitimate Democratic voting to add 3 percent to the Republican vote.

We have analyzed more than 250 claims of fraud submitted by those supporting the respondents in the Supreme Court's photo ID case, Crawford v. Marion County Election Board. We find absolutely no proven cases of fraudulent votes that could be prevented by the restrictive ID law being challenged.

Other case studies collected here by issue and by state also analyze the limited degree to which restrictive ID requirements could possibly remedy the fraud alleged in each instance.
We also collect commentary discussing the purported link between voter fraud and calls for restrictive ID requirements.

(make sure you read it all before you comment Marshall. )

http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/case_studies_by_issue/

http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/

[timpage]

It's one of two ideas that the repukes have had this century.....voter suppression and cut taxes.

Shit, the honest ones even admit it....google "republicans admit voter suppression"....

[ChoomCzar]

Originally Posted by wimpage

It's one of two ideas that the repukes have had this century.....voter suppression and cut taxes.

Shit, the honest ones even admit it....google "republicans admit voter suppression"....

It's true! Not only are Republicans working hard at voter suppression, I know for a fact that they are committing voter fraud. They are planning to steal this election! There is no other way to explain why Romney will win given all the polling data we see showing Obama is comfortably up in the polls.

[markroxny]

Originally Posted by ChoomCzar

It's true! Not only are Republicans working hard at voter suppression, I know for a fact that they are committing voter fraud. They are planning to steal this election! There is no other way to explain why Romney will win given all the polling data we see showing Obama is comfortably up in the polls

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Romney's going to lose Marshall. And you will be crying voter fraud when he does.

I'll put money on it.

[timpage]

Don't feed the troll bud....just encourages him.

[i'va biggen]

Republicans have found a way to disenfranchise 10 million Latinos so there still in the running...

[I B Hankering]

Al Franken May Have Won His Senate Seat Through Voter Fraud

It looks increasingly likely that at least one member of the United States Senate may owe his seat in the world’s greatest deliberative body not to his charisma or the persuasiveness of his message but to voter fraud.
As the Wall Street Journal's John Fund reports, Minnesota Democrat Al Franken’s narrow, 312-vote victory in 2008 over incumbent Sen. Norm Coleman may have come as the result of people being allowed to vote who, under existing law, shouldn’t have been.


http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/...gh-Voter-Fraud

York: When 1,099 felons vote in race won by 312 ballots

In the '08 campaign, Republican Sen. Norm Coleman was running for re-election against Democrat Al Franken. It was impossibly close; on the morning after the election, after 2.9 million people had voted, Coleman led Franken by 725 votes. Franken and his Democratic allies dispatched an army of lawyers to challenge the results. After the first canvass, Coleman's lead was down to 206 votes. That was followed by months of wrangling and litigation. In the end, Franken was declared the winner by 312 votes. He was sworn into office in July 2009, eight months after the election.
During the controversy a conservative group called Minnesota Majority began to look into claims of voter fraud. Comparing criminal records with voting rolls, the group identified 1,099 felons -- all ineligible to vote -- who had voted in the Franken-Coleman race.
Minnesota Majority took the information to prosecutors across the state, many of whom showed no interest in pursuing it. But Minnesota law requires authorities to investigate such leads. And so far, Fund and von Spakovsky report, 177 people have been convicted -- not just accused, but convicted -- of voting fraudulently in the Senate race. Another 66 are awaiting trial.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/york-w...rticle/2504163

Felons Voting Illegally May Have Put Franken Over the Top in Minnesota, Study Find


The six-month election recount that turned former "Saturday Night Live" comedian Al Franken into a U.S. senator may have been decided by convicted felons who voted illegally in Minnesota's Twin Cities.

That's the finding of an 18-month study conducted by Minnesota Majority, a conservative watchdog group, which found that at least 341 convicted felons in largely Democratic Minneapolis-St. Paul voted illegally in the 2008 Senate race between Franken, a Democrat, and his Republican opponent, then-incumbent Sen. Norm Coleman.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...a-study-finds/

Sen. Al Franken Voter Fraud Revelations Call For Ways To Reduce It

Al Franken, Senator from Minnesota (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

The latest revelations that illegal votes may have given Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) his 312-vote margin of victory in his 2008 Senate race—out of the nearly 3 million votes cast—gives one pause. The fact that 243 people have already been convicted or are awaiting trial on voter fraud underscores a persistent concern that, despite their small share of the vote, ineligible ballots can actually swing results.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/billfrez...-to-reduce-it/


MINNESOTA VOTE FRAUD: 2,812 Dead Voters

A review of Minnesota’s statewide database of registered voters revealed at least 2,812 deceased individuals voted in last November’s general election, according to a new report by the “traditional values” advocacy group Minnesota Majority.

http://www.redstate.com/jrichardson/...2-dead-voters/

[markroxny]

Not!

There is no basis in fact, whatsoever, in these inaccuracies propagated by the Minnesota Majority here, none,” Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman said Wednesday. “After the most closely scrutinized election in Minnesota history in 2008, there were zero cases of fraud. Even the Republicans lawyers acknowledged that there was no systematic effort to defraud the election, none.”

“In Hennepin County, 650,000 people voted,” he continued. “The Minnesota Majority presented us with 1,500 cases that they felt there were problems with voting. Our own election bureau gave us 100. At the end of the day, we charged 38 cases. And all but one of them are felons voting who were still under the penalty [of not legally applying to regain individual voting rights]. There was no fraud.”

http://www.alternet.org/gop-voter-fr...ken-us-senator

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by markroxny

Not!



http://www.alternet.org/gop-voter-fr...ken-us-senator

Keep your god-damned head in the sand, marks-rocks-with-pee, "The fact that 243 people have already been convicted or are awaiting trial on voter fraud underscores a persistent concern that, despite their small share of the vote, ineligible ballots can actually swing results."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/billfrez...-to-reduce-it/

[markroxny]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Keep your god-damned head in the sand, marks-rocks-with-pee, "The fact that 243 people have already been convicted or are awaiting trial on voter fraud underscores a persistent concern that, despite their small share of the vote, ineligible ballots can actually swing results."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/billfrez...-to-reduce-it/

How many CONVICTED THO??? and how many just on trial???? HMMMM???

IB Hankering to be a cowardly idiot.

243 is the number of times you type the word Odumbo and Kool-Aid in a single day. Because you just say the same stupid shit over and over and over and over.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by markroxny

How many CONVICTED THO??? and how many just on trial???? HMMMM???

IB Hankering to be a cowardly idiot.

243 is the number of times you type the word Odumbo and Kool-Aid in a single day. Because you just say the same stupid shit over and over and over and over.

Well, son-of-a-bitch!?! Now your lame-ass wants to equivocate over the number convicted and the number on trial !?! THIS -- after you just ignorantly started this thread and made repeated posts claiming voter fraud NEVER happens!?! You need to get your fucking story straight, marks-rocks-with-pee.

Are you going to continue to argue voter fraud never happens, or are you now going to argue that no one was ever convicted of voter fraud? BTW, if you argue either way, you are going to further validate that you are a Dim-witted moron, marks-rocks-with-pee, because -- and here you've demonstrated that your cognitive skills are obviously impaired or undeveloped -- a number for those convicted was already posted @ #7: "177 people have been convicted -- not just accused, but convicted -- of voting fraudulently in the Senate race. Another 66 are awaiting trial."

http://washingtonexaminer.com/york-w...rticle/2504163

[markroxny]

For every article you post i can post counter.

Right-wingers are in a tizzy over excerpts from a new book by two of the GOP’s leading voter-fraud hucksters alleging that Minnesota’s Democratic Senator Al Franken would not have won a statewide recount in 2009 were it not for ex-felons voting illegally.
They are jumping to the false conclusion that illegal felon voting in November 2008 not only tipped a recount in which Franken won by 312 votes—out of 2.4 million cast between the two men—but that tougher state voter ID laws would have changed the result. Both claims are wrong.

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli-new-right-wing-meme-felons-elected-f

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by markroxny

For every article you post i can post counter.

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/stu...lons-elected-f

Hey lame-ass, marks-rocks-with-pee, your assertion was that voter fraud NEVER occurs. To disprove that assertion required only one example of one incident -- not 177 documented convictions, moron. You've already had your ass handed to you, marks-rocks-with-pee.

But then there are the 66 pending trials for voter fraud, the documented 1,099 felons who voted, and the 2,812 dead voters on the role. Nothing your lame-ass posts can change those facts. Voter fraud happens!

[markroxny]

I will never have my ass handed to me by a cowardly dumbass like you. YOU CAN'T EVEN FUCKING READ IDIOT. I NEVER SAID IT NEVER OCCURS.

READ AGAIN DUMBASS

http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/

But I am impressed that you stopped posting Kool Aid and Odbumbo since I pointed it out I-B-Hankering the Cowardly Idiot.

Romney is going to lose. Quote me on that. When he does, YOU will use this bullshit issue of voter fraud to make yourself feel better about it. I guaran fuking tea-pot it.

See you in Nov coward.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by markroxny

I will never have my ass handed to me by a cowardly dumbass like you. YOU CAN'T EVEN FUCKING READ IDIOT. I NEVER SAID IT NEVER OCCURS.

READ AGAIN DUMBASS

http://www.truthaboutfraud.org/

But I am impressed that you stopped posting Kool Aid and Odbumbo since I pointed it out I-B-Hankering the Cowardly Idiot.

Romney is going to lose. Quote me on that. When he does, YOU will use this bullshit issue of voter fraud to make yourself feel better about it. I guaran fuking tea-pot it.

See you in Nov coward.

Marks-rocks-with-pee, you're the ignorant-ass that started this ignorant thread with the ignorant assertion that voter fraud NEVER occurs! Are you still arguing -- in the face of over whelming evidence to the contrary -- that voter fraud NEVER occurs? You ARE a fucking moron, and voter fraud happens!

Regarding Novemeber 6: you can't see a god-damned thing, marks-rocks-with-pee. You are blitzed on Odumbo Kool Aid, and you're incapable of dealing with minor autonomic functions let alone higher, cognitive functions such as thinking and recognition.