Is Does Not Matter What Obama Takes Credit For!

[niceguy123]

Regardless of how our president represents his accomplishments, his trust or the trust that we have in him is not one of them. This is what divides our country. Obama has done good in some areas in others he has failed. His representations are what creates his history as we have no other history of him. He campaigned representing what he would do to change government and that change is evident in that it is far less transparent and far too large now. You have to ask yourself a question- do the things that he says- represent you and the way you feel in your heart and mind or does his view seem foreign to the way our America actually felt before him. We all have an opinion and the right to have it, but we must dig deep and answer the question- are we being sold someone who feels he is the accomplisher or are we being told what we should believe.

[Chica Chaser]

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[oshins]

I have no idea what that even means...

[thumpusa]

Originally Posted by oshins

I have no idea what that even means...

It's a thin line between love and hate?

[topsgt38801]

My only opinion is he has changed the America we know and has lowered our standing as a world power in the eyes of our allies and enemies. His transparency left the day he took office and and he did bring change, but not change I can believe in.

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[JohnnyPool]

Originally Posted by niceguy123

His representations are what creates his history as we have no other history of him.

There's plenty of his history out there to see. Although it wasn't brought up much in the press. During the campaign they were more concerned with how good he looked and what kind of glasses Sarah Palin was wearing. But that's typical for pop culture.

[Vercengetorix]

Bull. What "allies" have a reduced opinion of us? The current administration is more respected than the last by UK, France, Germany, Spain, NATO, Canada, Mexico, and the Russians. We get along better with most and certainly are getting along better with the UN and WTO. Does that matter? Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
How about a little support for your theory? Our enemies don't hate us any more or less than they did before. If you disagree, explain who and how.

Admin has failed to live up to transparency goal, failed to close gitmo, failed to give trials to detainees, failed to pass immigration reform, failed to create the jobs promised and failed to meaningfully address the deficit.

They are good on some, crappy on others. Pick your poison. Think palin/McCain would have been better? Yes on some, no on others. Problem is congress and special interests, presidents don't really get much done.

Originally Posted by topsgt38801

My only opinion is he has changed the America we know and has lowered our standing as a world power in the eyes of our allies and enemies. His transparency left the day he took office and and he did bring change, but not change I can believe in.

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[Yssup Rider]

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[jenesys]

Originally Posted by topsgt38801

My only opinion is he has changed the America we know and has lowered our standing as a world power in the eyes of our allies and enemies. His transparency left the day he took office and and he did bring change, but not change I can believe in.

I think you're confusing Obama with George W. Bush. Pretty sure Bush is the one who started us on the path of having a tarnished name and respectability worldwide.

I agree with your sentiment regarding out last president.

[Sammyboy2]

Jenesys I think you must be the one confused. Bush may have lacked a little tact but he wasnt considered inept like Carter and Obama.
See below

LONDON DAILY TELEGRAPH


Very Embarrassing!

TheAmerican people can now more readily "understand" why the Obama's were omitted from the guest list to the Royal wedding in April!This is a very sobering article. Our handling of relationships with the Britons over the oil spill didn't help either.

FromThe London Daily Telegraph Editor On Foreign Relations...
Quote:

"Let me be clear: I'm not normally in favor of boycotts, and I love the American people. I holiday in their country regularly, and hate the tedious snobby sneers against the United States . But the American people chose to elect an idiot who seems hell bent on insulting their allies, and something must be done to stop Obama's reckless foreign policy, before he does the dirty on his allies on every issue."

One of the most poorly kept secrets in Washington is President Obama's animosity toward Great Britain , presumably because of what he regards as its sins while ruling Kenya (1895-1963).

One of Barack Hussein Obama's first acts as president was to return to Britain a bust of Winston Churchill that had graced the Oval Office since 9/11. He followed this up by denying Prime Minister Gordon Brown, on his first state visit, the usual joint press conference with flags.

The president was "too tired" to grant the leader of America 'S closest ally a proper welcome, his aides told British journalists.

Mr. Obama followed this up with cheesy gifts for Mr. Brown and the Queen. Columnist Ian Martin described his behavior as "rudeness personified." There was more rudeness in store for Mr. Brown at the opening session of the United Nations in September. "The prime minister was forced to dash through the kitchens of the UN in New York to secure five minutes of face time with President Obama after five requests for a sit down meeting were rejected by the White House", said London Telegraph columnist David Hughes. Mr. Obama's "churlishness is unforgivable", Mr. Hughes said.

The administration went beyond snubs and slights last week when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton endorsed the demand of Argentine President Cristina Kirchner, a Hugo Chavez ally, for mediation of Argentina 'S specious claim to the Falkland Islands , a British dependency since 1833. The people who live in the Falklands, who speak English, want nothing to do with Argentina. When, in 1982, an earlier Argentine dictatorship tried to seize the Falklands by force, the British -- with strong support from President Ronald Reagan -- expelled them.

"It is truly shocking that Barack Obama has decided to disregard our shared history," wrote Telegraph columnist Toby Young. "Does Britain 'S friendship really mean so little to him?" One could ask, does the friendship of anyone in the entire world mean anything to him?

"I recently asked several senior administration officials, separately, to name a foreign leader with whom Barack Obama has forged a strong personal relationship during his first year in office," wrote Jackson Diehl, deputy editorial page editor of the Washington Post, on Monday. "A lot of hemming and hawing ensued." One official named French President Nicolas Sarkozy, but his contempt for Mr. Obama is an open secret. Another named German Chancellor Angela Merkel. But, said Mr. Diehl, " Merkel too has been conspicuously cool toward Obama."

Mr. Obama certainly doesn't care about the Poles and Czechs, whom he has betrayed on missile defense. Honduras and Israel also can attest that he's been an unreliable ally and an unfaithful friend. Ironically, our relations with both Israel and the Palestinian Authority have never been worse. Russia has offered nothing in exchange for Mr. Obama's abandonment of missile defense. Russia and China won't support serious sanctions on Iran . Syria's support for terrorism has not diminished despite efforts to normalize diplomatic relations. The reclusive military dictatorship that runs Burma has responded to our efforts at "engagement" by deepening its ties to North Korea .

And the Chinese make little effort to disguise their contempt for him.

For the first time in a long time, the President of the United States is actually distrusted by its allies and not in the least feared by its adversaries. Nor is Mr. Obama now respected by the majority of Americans. Understandably focused on the dismal economy and Mr. Obama's relentless efforts to nationalize and socialize health care, Americans apparently have yet to notice his dismal performance and lack of respect in the world community. They soon will.

-- London Daily Telegraph editor -- Alex Singleton

[DrHouse]

Originally Posted by Sammyboy2

Jenesys I think you must be the one confused. Bush may have lacked a little tact but he wasnt considered inept like Carter and Obama.
See below

LONDON DAILY TELEGRAPH


Very Embarrassing!

TheAmerican people can now more readily "understand" why the Obama's were omitted from the guest list to the Royal wedding in April!This is a very sobering article. Our handling of relationships with the Britons over the oil spill didn't help either.

FromThe London Daily Telegraph Editor On Foreign Relations...
Quote:

"Let me be clear: I'm not normally in favor of boycotts, and I love the American people. I holiday in their country regularly, and hate the tedious snobby sneers against the United States . But the American people chose to elect an idiot who seems hell bent on insulting their allies, and something must be done to stop Obama's reckless foreign policy, before he does the dirty on his allies on every issue."

One of the most poorly kept secrets in Washington is President Obama's animosity toward Great Britain , presumably because of what he regards as its sins while ruling Kenya (1895-1963).

One of Barack Hussein Obama's first acts as president was to return to Britain a bust of Winston Churchill that had graced the Oval Office since 9/11. He followed this up by denying Prime Minister Gordon Brown, on his first state visit, the usual joint press conference with flags.

The president was "too tired" to grant the leader of America 'S closest ally a proper welcome, his aides told British journalists.

Mr. Obama followed this up with cheesy gifts for Mr. Brown and the Queen. Columnist Ian Martin described his behavior as "rudeness personified." There was more rudeness in store for Mr. Brown at the opening session of the United Nations in September. "The prime minister was forced to dash through the kitchens of the UN in New York to secure five minutes of face time with President Obama after five requests for a sit down meeting were rejected by the White House", said London Telegraph columnist David Hughes. Mr. Obama's "churlishness is unforgivable", Mr. Hughes said.

The administration went beyond snubs and slights last week when Secretary of State Hillary Clinton endorsed the demand of Argentine President Cristina Kirchner, a Hugo Chavez ally, for mediation of Argentina 'S specious claim to the Falkland Islands , a British dependency since 1833. The people who live in the Falklands, who speak English, want nothing to do with Argentina. When, in 1982, an earlier Argentine dictatorship tried to seize the Falklands by force, the British -- with strong support from President Ronald Reagan -- expelled them.

"It is truly shocking that Barack Obama has decided to disregard our shared history," wrote Telegraph columnist Toby Young. "Does Britain 'S friendship really mean so little to him?" One could ask, does the friendship of anyone in the entire world mean anything to him?

"I recently asked several senior administration officials, separately, to name a foreign leader with whom Barack Obama has forged a strong personal relationship during his first year in office," wrote Jackson Diehl, deputy editorial page editor of the Washington Post, on Monday. "A lot of hemming and hawing ensued." One official named French President Nicolas Sarkozy, but his contempt for Mr. Obama is an open secret. Another named German Chancellor Angela Merkel. But, said Mr. Diehl, " Merkel too has been conspicuously cool toward Obama."

Mr. Obama certainly doesn't care about the Poles and Czechs, whom he has betrayed on missile defense. Honduras and Israel also can attest that he's been an unreliable ally and an unfaithful friend. Ironically, our relations with both Israel and the Palestinian Authority have never been worse. Russia has offered nothing in exchange for Mr. Obama's abandonment of missile defense. Russia and China won't support serious sanctions on Iran . Syria's support for terrorism has not diminished despite efforts to normalize diplomatic relations. The reclusive military dictatorship that runs Burma has responded to our efforts at "engagement" by deepening its ties to North Korea .

And the Chinese make little effort to disguise their contempt for him.

For the first time in a long time, the President of the United States is actually distrusted by its allies and not in the least feared by its adversaries. Nor is Mr. Obama now respected by the majority of Americans. Understandably focused on the dismal economy and Mr. Obama's relentless efforts to nationalize and socialize health care, Americans apparently have yet to notice his dismal performance and lack of respect in the world community. They soon will.

-- London Daily Telegraph editor -- Alex Singleton

Sammyboy...you should do some research before you post jargon like this. First...I quote the so-called "author" of this article, Alex Singleton, from the same blog in the Daily Telegraph...

"The vast majority of the email that's been going around America is not written by me. I also am not the editor of the Daily Telegraph"

Secondly, this article is not an article at all. It's an anonymous blog submission placed in a notoriously right-wing online publication from the UK that was wrongly attributed to this Alex Singleton in an attempt to give it some merit.

Third, as with most extreme political blogs...especially from the ultra-conservative side...miscontrued, absolute, and false statements are common place. These extremists want their far-fetched beliefs to be true so badly, they swear by their own lies and hatred. Examples of these are consiracy theorists (9/11 or the Kennedy assassination, for instance), sovereign citizens, anti-government militias, and racist groups. Ironically, these same people are usually white Christian males. Imagine that.

[joe bloe]

Obama is a Marxist.

Obama is what's called a "red diaper baby". Red diaper baby means he was raised by communists. His mother was a communist. His biological father was a communist. His maternal grandfather was a communist. His childhood mentor Frank Marshall Davis was a member of the American Communist Party. All of his childhood role models were communists; he was indoctrinated in it and he never turned from it.

Obama held his first political fundraiser in the home of William Ayers and his wife Bernadine Dohrn; both of whom are unrepentant leftist radicals. William Ayers is a self described communist and co-founder of the Weather Underground, a violent terrorist group. Ayers told the New York Times that he did not regret the violence he committed and wished he had done more.

Obama's mother and father met at the University of Hawaii in a Russian language class back in the 1960's. Any guesses why they were studying Russian?

Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama's mother, attended Mercer Island School prior to going to the University of Hawaii. Her father enrolled her there after first moving the family from Texas to Seattle so that she could attend. He had seen John Stenhouse, an admitted communist and the man who ran the school, on television in the coverage of the House Unamerican Activities Committee. When he realized there was a school run by communists, he decided to be sure that his daughter would go there.

Obama's "religion" is called black liberation theology. This so called religion is a variation of liberation theology which is a Marxist hijacking of Christianity. Black liberation theology is a combination of Marxism and anti white racism.

The evidence that Barack Obama is a socialist/communist is overwhelming. He is in the process of "fundamentally transforming" this country from capitalism to socialism. The economic disaster we're in is deliberate. I believe Obama's plan is to completely destroy the existing system so it can be replaced with a socialist system.

If Obama is re-elected in 2012, this country is finished.

[Cpalmson]

I use to be a flag waving, America can do no wrong, bleed red, white and blue Patriot. No longer. I'm ashamed of what America turned into. We use to be a country of self-reliance, innovation, risk-takers and independence minded. But no more. America has become a nation of blame someone else, over government regulation, and reliance on the government to fix all that is wrong in America. We are now risk averse to the point where the government mandates seat belt laws along with other stupid nonsensical rules that only lawyers can understand. While I don't blame Obama totally, he's the one that pushed me over the edge when he and the Demo-Rats pushed through Obama-care and the stimulus package over the objection of a majority of Americans. We have lost our greatness as politicians (namely Democrats) have sold out our legacy while reducing policy to the lowest common denominator. Obama is an arrogant prick and thinks he knows better than the rest of America. I'm ashamed he's our president and can't wait until he is voted out of office. And if he is not voted out of office, I pray the Republicans control both house of Congress in order to ensure he's a lame duck for his last four years. Obama is almost as bad as Jimmy Carter. BTW, I'm not a total fan of GWB either. He betrayed his constituency during his second term. Where is a Ronald Reagan when you need him.

[Randy4Candy]

DrHouse, you'll soon learn that pointing out FACTS to these good ol' boyz does very little other than propel them into paroxysms of more whining, writhing on the floor, waving their arms and other general tempermental displays. But, at least they are consistent. The reason being is that their "philosophy" is based on ignorance of huge blocks of both American and world history. They'll spend hours searching out "articles" like the one you debunked in order to shoehorn their rather interesting, twisted outlook instead of actually researching in legitimate areas. Of course, any outlook that does not fit their rigid, authoritarian slant is tainted and a product of "the liberal media."

The only post of value so far is the one from Vercengetorix.

BTW, oh ye of wadded panties, "ignorance" and "ignore" have the same root word.

[catnipdipper]

We can hope that on May 21 some of these boys will no longer be here? Anyone want first dibs on the pickup?