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03-05-2013, 07:04 AM
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Do the values hold across racial subcategories?
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03-05-2013, 07:43 AM
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There really isn't much information on how the chart itself was generated as well.
From the looks of it, it was just data taken from one unnamed midwestern college?
http://www.intellectualtakeout.org/l...ooled-students
I'd also be curious about things like rates that homeschooled vs private vs public school kids actually go to college as well.
Honestly, there are just way too many factors for something like this to break down into a simple chart (as Jewish Lawyer points out - things like race, income, which part of the country you live in, etc. would all be major factors).
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03-05-2013, 07:47 AM
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considering that public schools take anyone (including the retarded and low IQ) those numbers prove that public schools are far superior. private and home schooled kids have a parent at home or parents who helped them with their school work. many public school kids are inner city youth who have either both their parents working or who are single parent households. the parents just don't have the time to help.
public school teachers are paid more. why would a good teacher take less pay to teach at a private school? because their qualifications are inferior thats why.
I was taking high school classes while in middle school. and was taking DE classes while in high school. by the time i got to college I already had 2 years of college credits for FREE. just stating facts, you can moan and cry about it but its the truth
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03-05-2013, 08:00 AM
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Good for you, Joe! Your experience does not discredit the survey. On average, home schooled kids do better, for whatever reasons. If you are trying to prove that white home schooled kids are somehow better off than minority home schooled kids, you're missing the point.
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03-05-2013, 08:01 AM
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The primary motivation for college attendance isn't the school you go to or whether you're home-schooled....it's parents who drill into your head that you're going to college. Obviously, parents that are involved and care enough about their child's education to home school them are going to advocate college attendance.
Home schooling is fine as long as the parent doing it is qualified and motivated. But, reality dictates that the home school equation doesn't work for most parents....either they don't care enough to do it, they are too stupid to do it.... or they have to work and can't stay home with their kids all day.
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03-05-2013, 08:17 AM
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I homeschooled for a couple years and can say that it definately was worth it...my kids seem to "connect" and learn more..I even could "tailor" the lessons to what their interest and needs were.
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03-05-2013, 08:38 AM
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Yeah, and the teacher was hottt!
Home schooling seems to work when the kids are also put into positions that enable them to assimilate into their social environment.
Oh yeah, and when the parent teaching them is qualified to do so.
And disciplined. the teacher. Not the student.
PS -- your source, for a change, is skimpy and not objective. BIG SUPRISE!
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03-05-2013, 08:46 AM
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There are a lot of variables, there are good teachers and bad teachers in schools and in homes. I know one individual who is hell bent to home school and is, in my humble and perhaps over-educated opinion, as dumb as a bag of rocks, others who home teach are extremely sharp and well educated.
The best option, in my opinion, is to outlaw unions for degreed professionals and let them stand or fall on their own merit. . . that, and get the federal government and their inane rules out of education.
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03-05-2013, 09:03 AM
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The best option, in my opinion, is to outlaw unions for degreed professionals and let them stand or fall on their own merit. . . that, and get the federal government and their inane rules out of education.
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I could go with that.
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03-05-2013, 09:06 AM
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in new orleans they have where you can do school online while you stay home
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03-05-2013, 09:43 AM
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The statistics provided reflect the acheivement of those who were admitted. What percentage of applicants from each category were rejected for low scores on the entrance exam, i.e. the SAT or ACT?
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03-05-2013, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Iaintliein
The best option, in my opinion, is to outlaw unions for degreed professionals and let them stand or fall on their own merit. . . that, and get the federal government and their inane rules out of education.
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How about the state governments? IMHO, that's where the disparity come in US education.
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03-05-2013, 03:25 PM
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I think Joe hit the nail on the head. Since the self selection effect of brighter, richer kids for private and home schooled kids is high, and public schools are burdened with taking on all students, I'd think this chart show the demonstrated superiority of public schools over private and homeschooled despite being dealt a tougher hand. Pretty damning evidence of the in effectiveness, as a whole, of private schools and homeschooling.
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03-05-2013, 03:43 PM
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Only a lawyer of TTH's incapability can look at that chart, and say it proves that private schooling and home schooling are failures, while government schools are superior.
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