"Why you should never talk to police"

[Guest071010]

Very Intersting info..

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...33318153586646

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...8915912&hl=en#

[Dstorm]

Excellent video. It's a "must watch" for everyone!

[colels]

Agreed, great videos. Practice what they preach, & I mean practice. Stand in front of a mirror & say the words. If you get stopped for a traffic violation, don't answer questions. Never, ever consent to a search. Watch a few episodes of Cops on TruTV and you'll be amazed at the people that talk themselves into an arrest.

[Guest032514-1]

Let's make a big point here that you cannot invoke the right to silence then just chat about everything but.

Silent means silent. Situations and statutes vary, but if you are not in your car or a bar/casino (over 21 establishment) you really are not required to show your DL - just name and address.

IF you goof and answer the "nice police officer who's a great guy and really hates you're in this mess what a bummer he really cares about you because he's your friend" immediately re-invoke your right.

Silent means No Talkin - about anything. There is a great post about this on STLASP.

[lcladj]

Great videos. Thanks for posting them.

[Imreadynow31]

Great Post!

[Slow&Easy]

Originally Posted by babee

... Situations and statutes vary, but if you are not in your car or a bar/casino (over 21 establishment) you really are not required to show your DL - just name and address....

While technically true, don't be surprised if the officer decides to jack with you more because you choose not to show your DL. It's not right, but it does happen.

[wiggy]

Originally Posted by colels

...... Never, ever consent to a search........

Whether you consent or not some police officer will still search your car, anyway. It would be their words against yours. This happened to me. Make sure you use a hidden tape recorder with a police officer and always ask for their badge number and memorize it.

[laserface]

Originally Posted by wiggy

Make sure you use a hidden tape recorder with a police officer and always ask for their badge number and memorize it.

Except that in certain states (like in PA, for instance...), it's illegal to record conversations where there's any "expectation of privacy", without the express consent of everyone involved. In fact, doing is so is a felony. So not only would the taped conversation not be admissible in court, but now you have an additional felony charge on top of that...

[kandycumland]

Thanks for the information. Great videos!

[Dstorm]

Originally Posted by laserface

Except that in certain states (like in PA, for instance...), it's illegal to record conversations where there's any "expectation of privacy", without the express consent of everyone involved. In fact, doing is so is a felony. So not only would the taped conversation not be admissible in court, but now you have an additional felony charge on top of that...

Some states are "one party", which means only one person in the conversation needs to be aware of the recording. Some states are "two party states" where both persons have to be aware of the recording.

[laserface]

Originally Posted by Dstorm

Some states are "one party", which means only one person in the conversation needs to be aware of the recording. Some states are "two party states" where both persons have to be aware of the recording.

Right - I can only speak about PA, since that's the one I know most about. PA is a two-party state, where everyone involved must be aware of the recording, and must consent. If you ever did anything like what was suggested above, you'd definitely need to check the laws of the state where you were doing it.

I had a conversation once with a local security system installer here, who told me that he routinely had to turn away business from people who wanted to have security systems installed (in their own businesses) that recorded audio. Because in PA, if there's a violation of the wiretap laws (which is where this stuff is codified), not only does the person who made the recording get hauled into court, but the installer can be charged as an accessory, as can the distributor who sold the equipment to the installer, as can the manufacturer of the equipment (assuming they're within legal reach). There are businesses here that have security systems that record audio, and they typically have signs at the entrances that say something like, "By entering these premises, you consent to have video and audio recordings of your activities made, and transmitted to a remote location. If you do not consent to such recording, do not enter these premises". Wouldn't be able to do that with your car, with a cop who's pulled you over...

Yet, you can surreptitiously record all the video you want on your own premises (except for in dressing rooms and stuff - that actually falls under a different law), as long as no audio is recorded. Go figure.

(Again, this applies to PA - your own state's laws may differ...)

[sinbadd]

http://www.callcorder.com/phone-reco...0Laws%20(Table)

http://www.rcfp.org/taping/index.html

Most states are "one party" states . . .

I cannot vouch for the currency of the two links above, but know they continue to accurately state the law in TN and MS . . .

[JayCo]

Great videos. Thanks!

[MLisa]

Those are great vids. I wish my youngest had seen them before he got all tangled up w/the local establishment. But I've shared with him and others since then.
I respect them for their jobs and unfortunately we do not live in a utopian society so we do need individuals to provide that structure, luckily we Do live in amsociety that does allow us to defend ourselves against their sometimes unjust accusations. (so I guess this means I sort of respect lawyers too).

As to recording officer conversation during a pull over perhaps a big sticker on your back window stating that any conversations maybe recorded at anytime and by asking the occupants to speak (in or out of the car) you give consent to that recording. I mean police cars have dashboard cams.