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Old 05-15-2014, 06:57 PM   #1
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The solemn and honorable dedication of the 9/11 Museum was a poignant moment in American history, notable for the presence of shameless politicians grabbing for the limelight of victimization and grievance. Bill DeBlasio was stapling posters to telephone poles as a community activist during 9/11. The Clintons were settling into their new Chappaqua house, plotting Hillary's carpetbagger run for senate. Bill was blissfully ignorant of the national security damage he had done by restricting intelligence sharing between government agencies, allowing Al Qaeda to flourish, and trying to forget how he didn't pursue Al Qaeda after their first bombing of the WTC garage. Bloomberg was running his publishing empire. George W. had the unhappy task of taking the fight to Al Qaeda in the months following 9/11, which he did with gusto and principled leadership, running them into holes and out of Afghanistan in a few months because he had the courage to challenge Islamic radicalism and not back down for political correctness.

Who gets invited to speak on dedication day? Not Dubya. Still in the progressive/leftist doghouse over Iraq. If all Dubya ever did was go to ground zero and yell in a bullhorn that "the folks who brought down these buildings are gonna hear from you", he will have done more as a leader than the timid and cowardly lot that now swing sharp elbows to claim glory while wringing their hands over what to do about Egypt, Syria, and Ukraine, and cover up the neglect of veterans. What a loathsome crowd of losers stinking up a place of honor.
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The solemn and honorable dedication of the 9/11 Museum was a poignant moment in American history, notable for the presence of shameless politicians grabbing for the limelight of victimization and grievance. Bill DeBlasio was stapling posters to telephone poles as a community activist during 9/11. The Clintons were settling into their new Chappaqua house, plotting Hillary's carpetbagger run for senate. Bill was blissfully ignorant of the national security damage he had done by restricting intelligence sharing between government agencies, allowing Al Qaeda to flourish, and trying to forget how he didn't pursue Al Qaeda after their first bombing of the WTC garage. Bloomberg was running his publishing empire. George W. had the unhappy task of taking the fight to Al Qaeda in the months following 9/11, which he did with gusto and principled leadership, running them into holes and out of Afghanistan in a few months because he had the courage to challenge Islamic radicalism and not back down for political correctness.

Who gets invited to speak on dedication day? Not Dubya. Still in the progressive/leftist doghouse over Iraq. If all Dubya ever did was go to ground zero and yell in a bullhorn that "the folks who brought down these buildings are gonna hear from you", he will have done more as a leader than the timid and cowardly lot that now swing sharp elbows to claim glory while wringing their hands over what to do about Egypt, Syria, and Ukraine, and cover up the neglect of veterans. What a loathsome crowd of losers stinking up a place of honor.

Well said... Thanks!

Can't wait for the Ozombies to show up and defend these Marxist/socialist/fascist/communist assholes and the fucking Muslim...
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The solemn and honorable dedication of the 9/11 Museum was a poignant moment in American history, notable for the presence of shameless politicians grabbing for the limelight of victimization and grievance. Bill DeBlasio was stapling posters to telephone poles as a community activist during 9/11. The Clintons were settling into their new Chappaqua house, plotting Hillary's carpetbagger run for senate. Bill was blissfully ignorant of the national security damage he had done by restricting intelligence sharing between government agencies, allowing Al Qaeda to flourish, and trying to forget how he didn't pursue Al Qaeda after their first bombing of the WTC garage. Bloomberg was running his publishing empire. George W. had the unhappy task of taking the fight to Al Qaeda in the months following 9/11, which he did with gusto and principled leadership, running them into holes and out of Afghanistan in a few months because he had the courage to challenge Islamic radicalism and not back down for political correctness.

Who gets invited to speak on dedication day? Not Dubya. Still in the progressive/leftist doghouse over Iraq. If all Dubya ever did was go to ground zero and yell in a bullhorn that "the folks who brought down these buildings are gonna hear from you", he will have done more as a leader than the timid and cowardly lot that now swing sharp elbows to claim glory while wringing their hands over what to do about Egypt, Syria, and Ukraine, and cover up the neglect of veterans. What a loathsome crowd of losers stinking up a place of honor.
A narcissistic demagogue, an idiot socialist, a serial sexual predator, and a glorified hall monitor.

I wonder if any of the four will utter the words, "Islamic Terrorist"?
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Luscious Lars Wrote:22 minutes ago (9:46 PM)
I liked Bill Murray's character in the movie Stripes where he describes what Americans are. "We're mongrols. Our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world". But guess, what, our forefathers made this the most decent country ever to be seen in the history of mankind on earth. We are rebels. We take personal responsibilities for our well being, our safety, and raising our kids. We cling to our religion and guns. We love God and worship him and Jesus Christ. We try to live our lives in a manner which uses the 10 commandments as our guide. Are we perfect? Far from it. But liberals/progressives have been trying to fundamentally change America since just after WW1. In many ways they've been successful. In many ways they've failed. The battle rages on. Obama has won more battles for the progressive fundamental change than have any other of the progressive leaders. But he doesn't really lead very well. He leads from behind, which is more like "management". Other leaders in the world, some not so nice, recognize what a poor leader Obama is and they are taking full advantage of it.

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Anonymous16125 Wrote:53 minutes ago (9:15 PM)
Hussein, you ain't no American, your wife said so.
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NHSenior Wrote:1 hour ago (8:26 PM)
Where was GWB? Was he not invited, or did he decline in favor of his successor? Either way - a travesty.

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Jeff60 Wrote:2 hours ago (8:00 PM)
Obama will never stand up to defeat the Jihadist barbarian Mozlem Brother terrorist that he sympathize with and also arm with sophisticated American weapons. The result is Americans will need to endure more and more horrific attacks from the Mozlem Brother terrorists of al Qaida and other Iranian regime sponsored terrorists because Obama said that Americans were born to endure one attack after the other without fighting back the Obama's favorite Mozlem Brother terrorists.

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Mr. M2 Wrote:2 hours ago (7:59 PM)
“Nothing Can Change Who We Are as Americans except me.”

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Mike2446 Wrote:2 hours ago (7:50 PM)
A major discredit to those who died and sacrificed to save others to have a speech by an America hating president who has only emboldened our enemies by his actions and policies.
I didn;t hear the speech by I can assume is it one of those where he reads the words but has not feelings or relation to them.

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algae Wrote:31 minutes ago (9:37 PM)
Not only emboldened, but actively supported and abetted.

Time for Trial of Treason.
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Tea Party in Wisconsin formerlyTea Party Wrote:27 minutes ago (9:41 PM)
I didn't either but I think you are correct. He's all hat and no cattle. Loves to hear himself bloviate. Whenever he is up front yapping endlessly it's all about him and no one else. He's like my 6 yr old grandson when he is using the pot, 'look at me, look aat me" My grandson on the other hand doesn't have a choom fried brain and isn't a malignant narcissistic crime boss. He can bloviate all he wants, he can't even relate to better and braver men than he could ever hope to be.

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JTX Wrote:2 hours ago (7:46 PM)
This clown is an embarrassment to the nation, and the 911 victims.

HIs prepared speeches by political operatives do not make him better today, vs yesterday.

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Winston8292 Wrote:2 hours ago (7:31 PM)
So now he is an American. Was Obama also an American when he fraudulently entered Columbia as a foreign exchange student? Or Harvard Law school? When he published a little book as a Kenyan?
There' nothing amazing that Democrat fascists always lie: Late Ted Kennedy, Bill and Hillary, senile Nancy Pelosi...What is amazing about Obama is that his every word is a lie - I believe this is a Guinness book record. Even Soviet Stalinist propaganda department or Dr. Goebels cannot beat this Kenyan/Indonesian "American".

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Tea Party in Wisconsin formerlyTea Party Wrote:25 minutes ago (9:43 PM)
He showed how Amercian he is when he went to bed on 8/11/11 and left four AMERICANS to die by his bloody islamist friends. Benghazi is his legacy and will always be his legacy, no real amercian should ever forget that.
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MudontheTires Wrote:2 hours ago (7:22 PM)
Obama: "Nothing Can Change Who We Are as Americans".

What's this "We", you communist scumbag?

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JKinGA Wrote:2 hours ago (7:15 PM)
Well YOU wouldn't know about THAT, Hussein.

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Lars795 Wrote:3 hours ago (6:44 PM)
He and his need to remember that when the SHTF Americans revert into rebels!

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sutherncon Wrote:3 hours ago (6:44 PM)
Is there ANY issue, pro or con, that he can address without a sob story?

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shmuggy Wrote:3 hours ago (6:36 PM)
Funny....I could have sworn I heard you say...."we are 5 days away from fundamentally changing America".......

Yeah, that was you, Barry, and once again, you've made a fool of yourself.


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Michael IL Wrote:3 hours ago (6:45 PM)
Actually WJF is spot on and not alone in his observations.

The President's propensity for prevarication borders on pathological. From Fast and Furious, Benghazi, the ACA the IRS scandal lying has been the rule rather than the exception.

PT Barnum was correct in that you can fool most of the people most of the time which explains Obama's election to the Presidency, twice.

But he cannot fool all of us all of the time, unlike yourself his perpetually willing lapdog and useful idiot.


Rmkdbq Wrote:3 hours ago (6:11 PM)
Except an 8 year presidency of someone who wants to make America more like France...

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MudontheTires Wrote:2 hours ago (7:26 PM)
France? You've gotta be kidding.

Try Stalinist Russia.


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Tea Party in Wisconsin formerlyTea Party Wrote:19 minutes ago (9:49 PM)
That's right, he told Medev whatever you call him that after the election to tell Vlad he'd be more 'flexible'...guess that's why he's silent on the Ukraine. Putin maybe a tsarwannabe but he's an alpha male as he's quick to show us while we have a Beta whatever you call him. The Beta fighting fish have mor etestosterone than barry.

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datatex Wrote:3 hours ago (6:09 PM)
Nothing Can Change Who We Are as Americans, but bama keeps trying. he has turned the government into a have for idiots, psychos, criminals, communists, perverts, liars and other assorted scum.

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kyman55 Wrote:4 hours ago (6:07 PM)
Mr. Chameleon: He can be 'American' on occasion, and wear a 'flag pin' (when it is politically expedient) But this is the man who said: "“I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction." Wake up America
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Tea Party in Wisconsin formerlyTea Party Wrote:18 minutes ago (9:50 PM)
They can't wake up if they re dumbed down via the DemonRat government edjumakashun system and the Lieby media propaganda.

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WJF Wrote:4 hours ago (6:02 PM)
Democrat Barack Obama is a proven liar and despises anyone who challenges him about his lying or disagrees with him.

Barack Obama is a 'Disturbed Individual' that needs psychiatric counseling.

Would it be too much to ask to elect a sane person in 2016?
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Tea Party in Wisconsin formerlyTea Party Wrote:16 minutes ago (9:53 PM)
WJF...He's boasted about the amount of ;choom' he's smoked in his life and given the current studies about the brain damage even casual use of marijuana I would say he has massive brain damage and we are paying for it. He isn't mentally competent to be POTUS but the Congress will do nothing to remove him. The GOP Establishment are too scared of losing their cushy postitions to even try.

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Jim3959 Wrote:4 hours ago (5:57 PM)
Obama and Holder are trying their best to change who we are. And it ain't good.

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WJF Wrote:4 hours ago (5:48 PM)
Many believe that Barack Obama is a compulsive liar.

I believe Barack Obama is a pathological liar and not a compulsive liar.

What is the difference?

A pathological liar is someone who lies to get his way. They are manipulative, crafty and usually have a goal in mind when they lie. Pathological liars have no concern for the feelings of others, even of those people who are close to them.

“An organizer - does not have a fixed truth – truth to him is relative and changing. He (community organizer) is a political relativist.”
Saul Alinsky

What separates a pathological liar from a compulsive liar is that pathological liars start believing their lies to the extent that they actually think that it is reality! This is why Barack Obama and those who are dedicated in protecting him (MSM) say that Barack Obama is just evolving when Barack Obama lies.

Some of the symptoms of a pathological liar are - they lie to gain something, they exaggerate things, they keep on changing their stories, they live in a false sense of "reality", if confronted they act defensive and never admit that they are liars and lastly, they hold no value for truth.

Compulsive liars have no motive for lying, they do it because they can not help it and also, because they find the truth to be very uncomfortable. On the other hand, pathological liars have an agenda, something that they want to achieve, that they get by lying, little caring about other people.

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Arby Wrote:3 hours ago (6:46 PM)
Well conceived thoughts and well spoken words. I do believe you are entirely correct about the manipulative Barack Hussein Obama. I was friends with a pathological liar once -- and you have described the type 100% correctly, in my experience.
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The solemn and honorable dedication of the 9/11 Museum was a poignant moment in American history, notable for the presence of shameless politicians grabbing for the limelight of victimization and grievance. Bill DeBlasio was stapling posters to telephone poles as a community activist during 9/11. The Clintons were settling into their new Chappaqua house, plotting Hillary's carpetbagger run for senate. Bill was blissfully ignorant of the national security damage he had done by restricting intelligence sharing between government agencies, allowing Al Qaeda to flourish, and trying to forget how he didn't pursue Al Qaeda after their first bombing of the WTC garage. Bloomberg was running his publishing empire. George W. had the unhappy task of taking the fight to Al Qaeda in the months following 9/11, which he did with gusto and principled leadership, running them into holes and out of Afghanistan in a few months because he had the courage to challenge Islamic radicalism and not back down for political correctness.

Who gets invited to speak on dedication day? Not Dubya. Still in the progressive/leftist doghouse over Iraq. If all Dubya ever did was go to ground zero and yell in a bullhorn that "the folks who brought down these buildings are gonna hear from you", he will have done more as a leader than the timid and cowardly lot that now swing sharp elbows to claim glory while wringing their hands over what to do about Egypt, Syria, and Ukraine, and cover up the neglect of veterans. What a loathsome crowd of losers stinking up a place of honor.
+1 Well said!
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Thanks for posting.............+1

This post deserves to be bumped to the top for a few days.............Remind the ECCIE leftards how bankrupt they are.

To your observations I would add: Bill Clinton was getting blow jobs in the oval office while Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda declared war on the USA...Clinton did nothing.....Do we even know if Clinton's NSA, Sandy (In My Pants) Berger, told Clinton that war was declared upon us ?


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The solemn and honorable dedication of the 9/11 Museum was a poignant moment in American history, notable for the presence of shameless politicians grabbing for the limelight of victimization and grievance. Bill DeBlasio was stapling posters to telephone poles as a community activist during 9/11. The Clintons were settling into their new Chappaqua house, plotting Hillary's carpetbagger run for senate. Bill was blissfully ignorant of the national security damage he had done by restricting intelligence sharing between government agencies, allowing Al Qaeda to flourish, and trying to forget how he didn't pursue Al Qaeda after their first bombing of the WTC garage. Bloomberg was running his publishing empire. George W. had the unhappy task of taking the fight to Al Qaeda in the months following 9/11, which he did with gusto and principled leadership, running them into holes and out of Afghanistan in a few months because he had the courage to challenge Islamic radicalism and not back down for political correctness.

Who gets invited to speak on dedication day? Not Dubya. Still in the progressive/leftist doghouse over Iraq. If all Dubya ever did was go to ground zero and yell in a bullhorn that "the folks who brought down these buildings are gonna hear from you", he will have done more as a leader than the timid and cowardly lot that now swing sharp elbows to claim glory while wringing their hands over what to do about Egypt, Syria, and Ukraine, and cover up the neglect of veterans. What a loathsome crowd of losers stinking up a place of honor.
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pathetic aren't they ?
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You're the model of "pathetic", CBJ7.
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The solemn and honorable dedication of the 9/11 Museum was a poignant moment in American history, notable for the presence of shameless politicians grabbing for the limelight of victimization and grievance. Bill DeBlasio was stapling posters to telephone poles as a community activist during 9/11. The Clintons were settling into their new Chappaqua house, plotting Hillary's carpetbagger run for senate. Bill was blissfully ignorant of the national security damage he had done by restricting intelligence sharing between government agencies, allowing Al Qaeda to flourish, and trying to forget how he didn't pursue Al Qaeda after their first bombing of the WTC garage. Bloomberg was running his publishing empire. George W. had the unhappy task of taking the fight to Al Qaeda in the months following 9/11, which he did with gusto and principled leadership, running them into holes and out of Afghanistan in a few months because he had the courage to challenge Islamic radicalism and not back down for political correctness.

Who gets invited to speak on dedication day? Not Dubya. Still in the progressive/leftist doghouse over Iraq. If all Dubya ever did was go to ground zero and yell in a bullhorn that "the folks who brought down these buildings are gonna hear from you", he will have done more as a leader than the timid and cowardly lot that now swing sharp elbows to claim glory while wringing their hands over what to do about Egypt, Syria, and Ukraine, and cover up the neglect of veterans. What a loathsome crowd of losers stinking up a place of honor.
I don't recall reading many of your posts before, but if this sewage and revisionist history is typical of your posts you will fit right in this cesspool. Hard to pack in more lies per word than IB or IIFFy, but you are sure trying.

Good to know all that about intelligence sharing. Too bad it isn't true. The non-sharing problems go back much, much farther than that, at least into the '50s. It's also good to know we successfully ran al quida out of Afghanistan--then why do I know so many people who have been spending time getting wounded over there in the last 10 years? Yep, you look to be yet another RWW who has no interest in truth or intelligent comments, just spewing hate to anyone left of you (which is about 99.99 percent of the world, and 30 percent of this board). You'll fit right in!
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I don't recall reading many of your posts before, but if this sewage and revisionist history is typical of your posts you will fit right in this cesspool. Hard to pack in more lies per word than IB or IIFFy, but you are sure trying.

Good to know all that about intelligence sharing. Too bad it isn't true. The non-sharing problems go back much, much farther than that, at least into the '50s. It's also good to know we successfully ran al quida out of Afghanistan--then why do I know so many people who have been spending time getting wounded over there in the last 10 years? Yep, you look to be yet another RWW who has no interest in truth or intelligent comments, just spewing hate to anyone left of you (which is about 99.99 percent of the world, and 30 percent of this board). You'll fit right in!
You are correct about the long history of intelligence isolation, but it mattered little until our homeland was attacked from within. This about as concise a document that is available on the damage done by Bill Clinton's administration.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/intel/RL33873.pdf

It was prepared in 2007 for Congress to synopsize the history of intelligence sharing and the efforts to break down barriers between law enforcement and intelligence communities. FISA was becoming increasingly dysfunctional to break these barriers in the face of rising Islamic radicalism in the 1990's (Clinton's era). To save time, read the narrative on pages 8 and 9 where the obstruction by the Justice Department to legislative reforms is well documented. Justice's obstruction was abetted by political loyalty to traditional leftist privacy and civil liberties groups that support the likes of Sen. Patrick Leahy. All of this hand wringing about privacy and civil rights protection of terrorists went out the window post 9/11 with the Patriot Act. Congress was happy to enact the Patriot Act when we clearly saw the sad consequences of Clinton's dithering while our embassy was bombed, the Cole was bombed, and the WTC was bombed.

I will not resort to name calling to counter your simplistic arguments. I reserve such broad denigrations for our politicians who so richly deserve it. All of these things are sadly true and well documented, just not well disseminated. You won't find this stuff on Entertainment Tonight or TMZ. Its buried in boring reports and the Congressional Record. Perhaps too tedious a read for most, but regrettably for you, it documents the truth.

BTW, Bush did run the Taliban, and by association Al Qaeda, out of Afghanistan. It is well documented in Woodward's excellent narrative, "Bush at War". It is a stunning narrative of insurgent war on the cheap. The CIA bought whole armies of Pashtun mercenary fighters for $50 million. UBL and his minions were forced across the border to friendlier venues. Their survivors enjoy sanctuary there today. You probably know so many wounded veterans because we cannot fight a war like the Russians who came within an eyelash of cleansing Afghanistan until we smuggled in SAM's to the Mujahedeen. Russia was playing to win with helicopter gunships, poison gas, and booby trapped kids toys. Total war, not nation building.

Not spewing hate, just facts. BTW see if you can manage to spell Al Qaeda correctly. Al Quida???
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You probably know so many wounded veterans because we cannot fight a war like the Russians who came within an eyelash of cleansing Afghanistan until we smuggled in SAM's to the Mujahedeen. Russia was playing to win with helicopter gunships, poison gas, and booby trapped kids toys. Total war, not nation building.

Not spewing hate, just facts. BTW see if you can manage to spell Al Qaeda correctly. Al Quida???
Wow. I REALLY want to see how IB, IIFFy and the boys react to this one!

So you advocate we should fight like the Russians? Indiscriminate poison gas and booby trapped kids toys. Slaughter villages to make a statement. Yea, THAT is the America I would be proud of. But no hate on your part, is there? No, Afghans aren't really human, are they?

And I suspect COG will chime in with comments on your belief that privacy is worth completely trampling under goose stepping boots. I think it balance needs to be discussed and thought about, but you are advocating what would easily step over into 1984.

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Justice's obstruction was abetted by political loyalty to traditional leftist privacy and civil liberties groups that support the likes of Sen. Patrick Leahy. All of this hand wringing about privacy and civil rights protection of terrorists went out the window post 9/11 with the Patriot Act. Congress was happy to enact the Patriot Act


Spy on everyone and gas those who may grow up to disagree with you. Wage a war that Idi Amin and Papa Joe would be proud of--and you will probably do it in the name of whatever god you think smile on you--but he/she doesn't. I really don't think I care to live in your version of America.


You are very selectively reading the CRS report. The essence of life pre-9/11 is captured in this excerpt:

"For three decades leading up to 9/11, Congress was at the fore of a steady
campaign to curtail the Bureau’s domestic intelligence activities and impose on all its activities the standards and process of the criminal justice system."
The "three decades" is quite conservative, but still long enough to include Nixon, Kennedy, Reagan, as well as Clinton. It was far from a one-party view. Bush-1 wanted to find ways to work better, but even he with his CIA background was very, very cautious of the complete tearing down of the wall.
Sadly the Patriot Act has the same stupid flaws as the Affordable Care Act: both of them were political flag waving laws designed to fix a real problem, but in both cases the politics of Congress resulted in passing an ill constructed seriously flawed piece of legislation that has serious, bad unintended consequences.
PS: If you read on here at all you will find I make no claim to being a good speller. Somehow I suspect you could figure out what I was communicating.
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What did we win in Afghanistan? What did we win in Iraq? And was it worth the price we paid?
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You are correct about the long history of intelligence isolation, but it mattered little until our homeland was attacked from within. This about as concise a document that is available on the damage done by Bill Clinton's administration.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/intel/RL33873.pdf

It was prepared in 2007 for Congress to synopsize the history of intelligence sharing and the efforts to break down barriers between law enforcement and intelligence communities. FISA was becoming increasingly dysfunctional to break these barriers in the face of rising Islamic radicalism in the 1990's (Clinton's era). To save time, read the narrative on pages 8 and 9 where the obstruction by the Justice Department to legislative reforms is well documented. Justice's obstruction was abetted by political loyalty to traditional leftist privacy and civil liberties groups that support the likes of Sen. Patrick Leahy. All of this hand wringing about privacy and civil rights protection of terrorists went out the window post 9/11 with the Patriot Act. Congress was happy to enact the Patriot Act when we clearly saw the sad consequences of Clinton's dithering while our embassy was bombed, the Cole was bombed, and the WTC was bombed.

I will not resort to name calling to counter your simplistic arguments. I reserve such broad denigrations for our politicians who so richly deserve it. All of these things are sadly true and well documented, just not well disseminated. You won't find this stuff on Entertainment Tonight or TMZ. Its buried in boring reports and the Congressional Record. Perhaps too tedious a read for most, but regrettably for you, it documents the truth.

BTW, Bush did run the Taliban, and by association Al Qaeda, out of Afghanistan. It is well documented in Woodward's excellent narrative, "Bush at War". It is a stunning narrative of insurgent war on the cheap. The CIA bought whole armies of Pashtun mercenary fighters for $50 million. UBL and his minions were forced across the border to friendlier venues. Their survivors enjoy sanctuary there today. You probably know so many wounded veterans because we cannot fight a war like the Russians who came within an eyelash of cleansing Afghanistan until we smuggled in SAM's to the Mujahedeen. Russia was playing to win with helicopter gunships, poison gas, and booby trapped kids toys. Total war, not nation building.

Not spewing hate, just facts. BTW see if you can manage to spell Al Qaeda correctly. Al Quida???
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Wow. I REALLY want to see how IB, IIFFy and the boys react to this one!
Once again, as you are so often ignorantly prone to do, you wholly misrepresent what Trident posted, Old-Twerp.

Trident posted factual details without advocating any position. Then your ignorant ass tries to ignorantly prescribe to Trident a position and argument he didn't take or make! You're a hypocritical jackass, Old-Twerp.




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I don't recall reading many of your posts before, but if this sewage and revisionist history is typical of your posts you will fit right in this cesspool. Hard to pack in more lies per word than IB or IIFFy, but you are sure trying.

Good to know all that about intelligence sharing. Too bad it isn't true. The non-sharing problems go back much, much farther than that, at least into the '50s. It's also good to know we successfully ran al quida out of Afghanistan--then why do I know so many people who have been spending time getting wounded over there in the last 10 years? Yep, you look to be yet another RWW who has no interest in truth or intelligent comments, just spewing hate to anyone left of you (which is about 99.99 percent of the world, and 30 percent of this board). You'll fit right in!
Says Old-Twerp who continues to spew hate towards anyone to the right of him.

Old-Twerp, you're up to your fucking eyebrows in your own cesspool of lib-retard hate and bias, you ignorant fucking hypocrite.
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Trident posted factual details without advocating any position. Then your ignorant ass tries to ignorantly prescribe to Trident a position and argument he didn't take or make! You're a hypocritical jackass, Old-Twerp.
Sure doesn't come across as non-advocating when I read it. But then again, the poster was anti Obama so you would obviously ignore any negative tone in his post you blind myopic fool.

Says Old-Twerp who continues to spew hate towards anyone to the right of him.
More pity than hate. I reserve ridicule for those who are FAR right of me AND constantly spewing garbage--like you.


Old-Twerp, you're up to your fucking eyebrows in your own cesspool of lib-retard hate and bias, you ignorant fucking hypocrite.
Again the hypocrite accusation, but when prodded to elaborate (like what race I am or what religion) you deflect and lie. Then you try to shout all the louder that it's everyone else who lies, not you. see, THAT is the kind of reason I ridicule you, because post after post you earn ridicule.
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