For the ladies, why is Santorum TOO conservative?

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by CJ7

In did no such thing ... rather than lie, quote me.

Originally Posted by CJ7

To the extent that the church functions as a lobbyist, rather than itself clothing the naked, feeding the hungry and performing the other traditional acts of charity, the church loses a rich source of its own spiritual nourishment. This has, in turn, led to a secularizing of the social assistance systems (schools, hospitals, orphanages, health clinics). This development minimizes the moral influence of religious mediating institutions which are so critical in helping to stabilize troubled families.”
I recently interviewed a parish nurse who had been featured in the Oakland Diocese Newspaper. She had attended a parish nurse training program in her former state of Wisconsin but could not find a position there. She later moved to her current location and recently found acceptance as a Parish Nurse in her own parish in Antioch, California.
She shared her enthusiasm for her work in a community consisting in large part of recent immigrant parishioners of low income and somewhat poor health and nutrition. Her parish and Pastor are well recognized for partnership activities with a community organizing group entitled Contra Costa Interfaith supporting Community Organization - CCISCO which is itself a partner with a statewide community organizing lobby group called PICO - Pacific Institute for Community Organizing. These groups along with SEIU and the California Nurses as well as Planned Parenthood, have spearheaded lobby days in Sacramento to advance the cause of universal health care.
I asked this Parish Nurse if she refers parishioners to the Healthy Families program? She said yes. She, further, affirmed that referrals to Planned Parenthood were also included in those references. I then asked her why a Catholic Church would be referring its parishioners to an organization that promoted abortion and family planning which are in opposition to the Catholic Faith teaching? At that point her whole demeanor changed. She stated that she merely made referrals to those agencies most appropriate for type of service needed by the parishioner. It was not her responsibility as to what services the parishioner actually accepted.
Several years ago a parish in Concord, California, also within the Oakland Diocese provided assistance to the county health department in the refurbishing of an old van to be used as a mobile medical services van for residents of the Monument Corridor. This area is heavily populated with legal and illegal residents. Members of the Concord Parish saw this van as a way to obtain needed health services unobtainable any other way. This Van parked at a local shopping center and at various neighborhood grade schools to deliver health care and referrals. People volunteered to drive patients to referral sites if necessary. Planned Parenthood was one of the referral organizations.
When I inquired about the morality of a Catholic Parish facilitating its parishioners attendance at abortion and family planning programs I was told that providing services to needy people was the first and foremost concern. Abortion was not their problem.

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Originally Posted by CJ7

it just justifys the hypocracy of the Catholic Church being indirectly associated with BC while knowingly taking people to abortion clinics. ON YAXPAYER $ no less ... wheres the rage oh ye of conservative faith?

BTW ... I didnt write anything ,,, the wording was Provided by an article published by none other than THE PARISH NURSE.

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[CJ7]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Thanks IB I was wondering what Crazy CJ was jabbering about. I have never seen a poster with such dis-combobulated thoughts.....

do keep up whirl .. posted yesterday.

To the extent that the church functions as a lobbyist, rather than itself clothing the naked, feeding the hungry and performing the other traditional acts of charity, the church loses a rich source of its own spiritual nourishment. This has, in turn, led to a secularizing of the social assistance systems (schools, hospitals, orphanages, health clinics). This development minimizes the moral influence of religious mediating institutions which are so critical in helping to stabilize troubled families.”
I recently interviewed a parish nurse who had been featured in the Oakland Diocese Newspaper. She had attended a parish nurse training program in her former state of Wisconsin but could not find a position there. She later moved to her current location and recently found acceptance as a Parish Nurse in her own parish in Antioch, California.
She shared her enthusiasm for her work in a community consisting in large part of recent immigrant parishioners of low income and somewhat poor health and nutrition. Her parish and Pastor are well recognized for partnership activities with a community organizing group entitled Contra Costa Interfaith supporting Community Organization - CCISCO which is itself a partner with a statewide community organizing lobby group called PICO - Pacific Institute for Community Organizing. These groups along with SEIU and the California Nurses as well as Planned Parenthood, have spearheaded lobby days in Sacramento to advance the cause of universal health care.
I asked this Parish Nurse if she refers parishioners to the Healthy Families program? She said yes. She, further, affirmed that referrals to Planned Parenthood were also included in those references. I then asked her why a Catholic Church would be referring its parishioners to an organization that promoted abortion and family planning which are in opposition to the Catholic Faith teaching? At that point her whole demeanor changed. She stated that she merely made referrals to those agencies most appropriate for type of service needed by the parishioner. It was not her responsibility as to what services the parishioner actually accepted.
Several years ago a parish in Concord, California, also within the Oakland Diocese provided assistance to the county health department in the refurbishing of an old van to be used as a mobile medical services van for residents of the Monument Corridor. This area is heavily populated with legal and illegal residents. Members of the Concord Parish saw this van as a way to obtain needed health services unobtainable any other way. This Van parked at a local shopping center and at various neighborhood grade schools to deliver health care and referrals. People volunteered to drive patients to referral sites if necessary. Planned Parenthood was one of the referral organizations.
When I inquired about the morality of a Catholic Parish facilitating its parishioners attendance at abortion and family planning programs I was told that providing services to needy people was the first and foremost concern. Abortion was not their problem.

[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

You are advocating that others pay for services that they have a legitimate religious objection to. Nothing dumb about religious and conscientious freedom.

Yes

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

And your rights end at your nose. So don't mandate that others pay for it.

My uterus in on the Olivia side of my nose. Stay out of it.

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Again, nothing dumb about asserting the First Amendment and religious rights attached.

And women that don't agree with you are asserting ours.

[Guest032414-2]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Just don't ask the religious objectors to pay.

I have friends who are Mennonites and could say the same thing about the military spending that part of their taxes is used for.

The slippery slope argument about prenatal testing is a scare tactic. Parents have a right to know what kinds of issues their future child may have so that they can better prepare to take care of them. Some may choose abortion, but medical ethics (there's a word politicians know little about) would be enough to prevent the abortion rage that you predict. Some abortions will happen, but it won't be the culling that you infer.

An abortion is a very difficult decision to make and one that a person will live with, it isn't like buying a candy bar out of a snack machine.

Others have also pointed out the multiple non-contraceptive uses of birth control pills. I have 2 sisters that will be on the pill for a long time due to the severity of their menstrual cycle and the pain they would otherwise endure. To them, it's hormone therapy.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Diomidis

I have friends who are Mennonites and could say the same thing about the military spending that part of their taxes is used for.

The slippery slope argument about prenatal testing is a scare tactic. Parents have a right to know what kinds of issues their future child may have so that they can better prepare to take care of them. Some may choose abortion, but medical ethics (there's a word politicians know little about) would be enough to prevent the abortion rage that you predict. Some abortions will happen, but it won't be the culling that you infer.

An abortion is a very difficult decision to make and one that a person will live with, it isn't like buying a candy bar out of a snack machine.

Others have also pointed out the multiple non-contraceptive uses of birth control pills. I have 2 sisters that will be on the pill for a long time due to the severity of their menstrual cycle and the pain they would otherwise endure. To them, it's hormone therapy.

It's not "unconstitutional" for the government to spend for defense. Providing for the defense of this nation is one of the constitutional requirements imposed on government.

[Whirlaway]

Ok. It is clear you don't care about carving out any religious conscience objections to Obamacare. But don't expect the rest of us to pay.

It will be litigated and the SCOTUS will rule in favor the the churches and the First Ammendment.

[Whirlaway]

+1.

And religious and conscientious freedom is another right protected under the Constituion.

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

It's not "unconstitutional" for the government to spend for defense. Providing for the defense of this nation is one of the constitutional requirements imposed on government.

[CJ7]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

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http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=...&postcount=112

First, I said abortion clinics .. not PP

the artiicle referenced PP as a clinic that PROMOTES abortions and family planning.

ya know IB, youre undoubtedly one of the most childish, pathetic personalities Ive ever seen on a message board. Your skewed opinions and word twisting fools no one other than yourself and, simpletons like you. Too bad you use your intelligence to discredit yourself, not credit yourself.

Following me around twisting my words, and taking scool yard jabs doesnt bother me in the least, but it does suit you well.

carry on

[Whirlaway]

Not that simple when you are asking others to pay for services that they have a religious objection to.

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

My uterus in on the Olivia side of my nose. Stay out of it.



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[Guest050715-1]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

Not that simple when you are asking others to pay for services that they have a religious objection to.

Let me be blunt. Tough Shit. The world's grown up and you and people like you are still chasing ideals from a bygone era. Dogmatic and religious fanatics like you already lost whether you like it or know it.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by Whirlaway

You are advocating that others pay for services that they have a legitimate religious objection to. Nothing dumb about religious and conscientious freedom.

And your rights end at your nose. So don't mandate that others pay for it.

Again, nothing dumb about asserting the First Amendment and religious rights attached.

We all pay for shit we object to.

Many do not care for wars but we pay for them or at least used to before GWBII figured out that was the proper time for tax cuts.

If that is you litmus tests, be fair with it. Nobody will ever have to pay for anything we all do not agree to.

[Whirlaway]

Let me be blunt. People like you want a free ride; you want others to pay for free stuff for you, regadless of legitmate religious objections. You are a self centered free loader who professes some idea of enlightenment but stripped away you are just another hustle looking for a hand out.

Well, the good news (bad news for you) is that the First Ammendment protects those of us who don't want to pay for your free shit. You want it, pay for it yourself. And I have no doubt that that is how the SCOTUS will decide, if and when it gets the case.

Originally Posted by OliviaHoward

Let me be blunt. Tough Shit. The world's grown up and you and people like you are still chasing ideals from a bygone era. Dogmatic and religious fanatics like you already lost whether you like it or know it.

[WTF]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

It's not "unconstitutional" for the government to spend for defense. Providing for the defense of this nation is one of the constitutional requirements imposed on government.

Shit just saw this.

The constitution calls for the defense of this country.

Not bribing every other nation in the world to open a military base in it.

Not to go starting wars.

Not to start a military action and not call it a war...

We are so far from the intent of the founding fathers in this regard.

Ya'll never seem to talk about their intent there.

We all object to how the money is spent.

Why should the rehligious fanatics get to be first in line on how the money is spent?

That is the question.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by CJ7

First, I said abortion clinics .. not PP

the artiicle referenced PP as a clinic that PROMOTES abortions and family planning.

You claimed Catholics take women to abortion clinics. The only example you have posted to support your claim tells a story about how women (some who are Catholic) are transported to Planned Parenthood clinics. You cannot repudiate that fact, so that makes you the liar.

Originally Posted by CJ7

youre undoubtedly one of the most childish, pathetic personalities Ive ever seen on a message board. Your skewed opinions and word twisting fools no one other than yourself and, simpletons like you. Too bad you use your intelligence to discredit yourself, not credit yourself.

Following me around twisting my words, and taking scool yard jabs doesnt bother me in the least, but it does suit you well.

Look in the mirror you hypocrite. It's your MO you are criticizing.

Originally Posted by CJ7

carry on

Again, you are not in charge of anything.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by WTF

Shit just saw this.

The constitution calls for the defense of this country.

Not bribing every other nation in the world to open a military base in it.

Not to go starting wars.

Not to start a military action and not call it a war...

We are so far from the intent of the founding fathers in this regard.

Ya'll never seem to talk about their intent there.

We all object to how the money is spent.

Why should the rehligious fanatics get to be first in line on how the money is spent?

That is the question.

Nothing you have here written delegitimizes the government's constitutional obligation to provide for the defense of this nation.