The 2nd Amendment

[Guest040616]

Originally Posted by joe bloe

I know you are, but what am I?

We know you're a Bloehard. We're not certain whether you're a he or she Bloehard!

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn

When the founders drafted the Constitution the ultimate military rifle was the "Brown Bess" musket. Not really a rifle as it was a smooth bore, muzzle loading, .75 caliber weapon. It's accuracy beyond 50-80 yards was questionable but the British, the most powerful army in the world, used the Brown Bess as a mass fire weapon. A good British soldier could fire 3-4 shots a minute, and exceptional soldier could get off 5 rounds. A good many Americans carried their personal weapon into battle and that weapon could be a Pennsylvania or Kentucky long rifle. It was a rifled, .45 caliber weapon that could be fired once or twice in a minute. A leather patch around the ball took longer to load but the range was well beyond 100 yards. Depending on the marksman the range could be 300 yards. The afore mentioned Brown Bess was the assault weapon of the 18th century. Durable, effective as used, and a rate of fire twice of the typical weapons of the day. The founders had no problems with the Brown Bess, the Pennsylvania, or Kentucky rifles. A few Americans even owned cannon until after the Civil War. Many a cannon battery (four cannon) was privately owned in the south by rich men who raised their own military units.

You are delusional or the (expert) you got your "facts" from is.There is no way to load and fire a flintlock that many times a minuet.The modern black power rifles(which don't use black power now) with caps other than loading the pan might if you don't get a misfire.Go watch a reenactment sometime.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

You are delusional or the (expert) you got your "facts" from is.There is no way to load and fire a flintlock that many times a minuet.The modern black power rifles(which don't use black power now) with caps other than loading the pan might if you don't get a misfire.Go watch a reenactment sometime.

You're quite wrong, Ekim the Inbred. British soldiers trained to standard could fire fifteen rounds in 3.75 minutes* -- that is slightly better than four rounds per minute!

*Galvin, John R. Gen. The Minute Man. The First Fight: Myths and Realities of the American Revolution (pp. 62-63).

[essence]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

You're quite wrong, Ekim the Inbred. British soldiers trained to standard could fire fifteen rounds in 3.75 minutes* -- that is slightly better than four rounds per minute!

*Galvin, John R. Gen. The Minute Man. The First Fight: Myths and Realities of the American Revolution (pp. 62-63).

Errr...

15.0/3.75 = 4.0



"slightly better than" = "exactly the same as"

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by essence

Errr...

15.0/3.75 = 4.0



"slightly better than" = "exactly the same as"

Your math is quite correct, essence, but the fundamental fact remains that a British soldier trained to standard could put fifteen rounds down range in 3.75 minutes. Many colonial militiamen were former British soldiers and had fought in the French and Indian War as British or provincial regulars, or as colonial militiamen including several who had served with Roger’s Rangers.

[Guest032516]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

And you were quoting Little Timmy at #65, you arrogant pretentious prick.

Yes, I was responding to Timpage, but what does that have to do with you?

I was arguing that the 2nd Amendment had nothing to do with being in the National Guard. That's isn't an argument you disagree with.

No, you were replying to my comment "Unlike a certain somebody on this board, when the argument wasn't going your way, you at least didn't try to change the subject"

If you hadn't recognized yourself in that comment, we wouldn't even be having this exchange, would we? Heh.

[Yssup Rider]

He's a fucking moron with rage issues. I expect IBFuming to turn green and have his ass pop through the back of his Dickies at any moment.

IBInsultingeverybody just needs to stick with the meds he was given, and stay out of bus station men's rooms.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by Yssup Rider

He's a fucking moron with rage issues. I expect IBFuming to turn green and have his ass pop through the back of his Dickies at any moment.

IBInsultingeverybody just needs to stick with the meds he was given, and stay out of bus station men's rooms.

Yet more *noise* from that moronic jackass, Assup!! More *squeak*, *squeak*, *squeaking* from Assup and his "playmate"!!!

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by ExNYer

Yes, I was responding to Timpage, but what does that have to do with you?

I was arguing that the 2nd Amendment had nothing to do with being in the National Guard. That's isn't an argument you disagree with.

No, you were replying to my comment "Unlike a certain somebody on this board, when the argument wasn't going your way, you at least didn't try to change the subject"

If you hadn't recognized yourself in that comment, we wouldn't even be having this exchange, would we? Heh.

Deny it all you want, but your post included Little Timmy's remark at #65, you arrogant pretentious prick. http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=...8&postcount=65

[i'va biggen]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

You're quite wrong, Ekim the Inbred. British soldiers trained to standard could fire fifteen rounds in 3.75 minutes* -- that is slightly better than four rounds per minute!

*Galvin, John R. Gen. The Minute Man. The First Fight: Myths and Realities of the American Revolution (pp. 62-63).

Step one place weapon on ground barrel up.
step two get power horn remove plug pore measured amount of power down barrel replace plug in horn.
step three get patch from possibles kit get ball from pouch.
step four place patched ball in barrel remove ramrod from under barrel pushing ball and patch firmly compressing power.replace ramrod.
step five get power horn remove plug pour power into pan replace plug hope wind doesn't blow power from pan,point gun cock hammer fire.the flint will strike steel resulting in a spark hopefully it will ignite power in pan when it ignites it will ignite power in barrel slight delay if this happens gun will fire.
Step six repeat..

[CuteOldGuy]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

There is no way to load and fire a flintlock that many times a minuet.

I've never seen any form of gun in a minuet. Harpsichords are quite prevalent, however, and could be used as a weapon of one is strong enough.

[I B Hankering]

Originally Posted by i'va biggen

Step one place weapon on ground barrel up.
step two get power horn remove plug pore measured amount of power down barrel replace plug in horn.
step three get patch from possibles kit get ball from pouch.
step four place patched ball in barrel remove ramrod from under barrel pushing ball and patch firmly compressing power.replace ramrod.
step five get power horn remove plug pour power into pan replace plug hope wind doesn't blow power from pan,point gun cock hammer fire.the flint will strike steel resulting in a spark hopefully it will ignite power in pan when it ignites it will ignite power in barrel slight delay if this happens gun will fire.
Step six repeat..

British soldiers trained to standard could fire fifteen rounds in 3.75 minutes* -- that is equivalent to four rounds per minute!

The ball with pre-measured powder charge was prepared before hand and wrapped and/or tied in paper/cloth/or thin pieces of leather. The ball was ripped from the paper, the powder charge was poured down the barrel, the paper/cloth or thin piece of leather was dropped into the bore and the ball was dropped on top and rammed home with a ramrod (preferrably made of steel). Each soldier in the king's service was required to carry thirty-six such prepared cartridges. Certain unique and capable individuals, e.g., frontiersmen such as Daniel Boone and Simon Kenton, could actually reload a flintlock while at a full run.



*Galvin, John R. Gen. The Minute Man. The First Fight: Myths and Realities of the American Revolution (pp. 62-63).

[Gotyour6]

Originally Posted by timpage

You're the one ignoring the obvious...and for obvious reasons. You have no answers to the questions. Quack as much as you want about any legal violations. Doesn't that mean that the "well-regulated" provisions of the 2nd Amendment have been violated?

By the way, thanks for your response, but you are clearly too stupid to deal with this issue. Anybody else? I'm looking for a serious response to the question, not your uninformed and ignorant opinions.

Yes, He was. Then he was not because of an illness that people ignored.

You see, you have to meet certain things to own a firearm. He did not meet those things. Therefore, he was not part of and nnot protected by the 2nd.

If he had been then he wouldnt have done this.

Next question

Next question.

[LexusLover]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

The ball with pre-measured powder charge was prepared before hand and wrapped and/or tied in paper/cloth/or thin pieces of leather. The ball was ripped from the paper, the powder charge was poured down the barrel, the paper/cloth or thin piece of leather was dropped into the bore and the ball was dropped on top and rammed home with a ramrod (preferrably made of steel).

"Speed Loads" .... in comtemporary thought.

Sufficient training today includes doing so strong hand AND weak handed ...

.... and with either hand by itself; plus qualifying weak handed.

[Guest032516]

Originally Posted by I B Hankering

Deny it all you want, but your post included Little Timmy's remark at #65, you arrogant pretentious prick. http://www.eccie.net/showpost.php?p=...8&postcount=65

Can't read, can you?I'm NOT denying it.

But I'm also pointing out that you recognized yourself when I wrote about a "certain someone" on this board who changes the subject when an argument goes badly..

Kind of like you are doing now when you try to pretend I'm denying something about quoting Timpage.