Welcome to ECCIE, become a part of the fastest growing adult community. Take a minute & sign up!

Welcome to ECCIE - Sign up today!

Become a part of one of the fastest growing adult communities online. We have something for you, whether you’re a male member seeking out new friends or a new lady on the scene looking to take advantage of our many opportunities to network, make new friends, or connect with people. Join today & take part in lively discussions, take advantage of all the great features that attract hundreds of new daily members!

Go Premium

Go Back   ECCIE Worldwide > General Interest > The Sandbox - National
test
The Sandbox - National The Sandbox is a collection of off-topic discussions. Humorous threads, Sports talk, and a wide variety of other topics can be found here.

Most Favorited Images
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
Most Liked Images
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
  • Thumb
Top Reviewers
cockalatte 649
MoneyManMatt 490
Still Looking 399
samcruz 399
Jon Bon 397
Harley Diablo 377
honest_abe 362
DFW_Ladies_Man 313
Chung Tran 288
lupegarland 287
nicemusic 285
Starscream66 281
You&Me 281
George Spelvin 270
sharkman29 256
Top Posters
DallasRain70817
biomed163509
Yssup Rider61155
gman4453310
LexusLover51038
offshoredrilling48769
WTF48267
pyramider46370
bambino43001
The_Waco_Kid37301
CryptKicker37225
Mokoa36497
Chung Tran36100
Still Looking35944
Mojojo33117

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 03-14-2013, 09:46 AM   #106
SpeedRacerXXX
Valued Poster
 
SpeedRacerXXX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 31, 2009
Location: Georgetown, Texas
Posts: 9,330
Encounters: 2
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn View Post
Nice red herring Speedy but it doesn't work. By the way, a common citizen could own a cannon in the days of the revolution and the ultimate military weapon was the Brown Bess musket carried by the British soldier. Many Americans also had the same musket. If someone had the money then they could also build a privateer (sanctioned pirate ship) and take to the ocean looking for plunder. If we lived by the standards of 1776 I could finance my own destroyer or frigate with a 5"/54 fore and aft. Want to alter your opinion?
Have no idea what you mean by a "red herring". Since SCOTUS has upheld MANY laws limiting guns and other weapons in the hands of private citizens, I would say it works. Whether you (or I) agree or disagree with their actions is irrelevant.
SpeedRacerXXX is offline   Quote
Old 03-14-2013, 12:35 PM   #107
JD Barleycorn
Valued Poster
 
JD Barleycorn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 12, 2011
Location: Olathe
Posts: 16,815
Encounters: 54
Default

A red herring is when you attack an arugment with facts that have very little to do with the actual issue. So if I were to claim that assault weapons were unconstitutional because no one needs high capacity magazines or full auto fire for hunting then that would be a red herring. The original claim that assault weapons are unconstitutional has nothing to do with magazines or hunting but many people have advanced this arugment.

You started by talking about Jefferson and the changes the country has gone through only to latch on to the very popular but silly argument about rocket launchers and nukes. Now my rebuttal was about what was legal to own in the days of Jefferson and on target.
JD Barleycorn is offline   Quote
Old 03-14-2013, 01:01 PM   #108
SpeedRacerXXX
Valued Poster
 
SpeedRacerXXX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 31, 2009
Location: Georgetown, Texas
Posts: 9,330
Encounters: 2
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JD Barleycorn View Post
A red herring is when you attack an arugment with facts that have very little to do with the actual issue. So if I were to claim that assault weapons were unconstitutional because no one needs high capacity magazines or full auto fire for hunting then that would be a red herring. The original claim that assault weapons are unconstitutional has nothing to do with magazines or hunting but many people have advanced this arugment.

You started by talking about Jefferson and the changes the country has gone through only to latch on to the very popular but silly argument about rocket launchers and nukes. Now my rebuttal was about what was legal to own in the days of Jefferson and on target.
Jefferson made no qualifications in his statement as to what, if any, restrictions there should be on arms ownership by individuals. Probably had none since what arms there were were simple. Fast forward to today. There are several arms that I would bet even Jefferson would not want in the hands of indivduals for the safety of the majority. But don't get hung up on whether he would or would not. If you call this a silly argument, you are more of an idiot than most people on this forum believe.
SpeedRacerXXX is offline   Quote
Old 03-14-2013, 10:15 PM   #109
CuteOldGuy
Valued Poster
 
CuteOldGuy's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 20, 2010
Location: Wichita
Posts: 28,730
Encounters: 20
Default

I definitely was a different world back then, but the principle stands. Even at the beginning of the greatest country in the world, with the greatest governing document of all time, the Founders knew that one of the most important rights a person had was the right to protect himself from the overreaches of government. They knew that even the system they designed in the Constitution, with all its checks and balances, could be corrupted and turned against the people. It was important to them that the people would be able to strike back at a corrupt government.

Like Benjamin Franklin responded to a question posed upon completing the Constitutional Convention, "What kind of government have you given us?" Franklin replied, "A Republic, if you can keep it." Well, Ben. Sorry. We tried to keep it, but it slipped away while when we weren't looking.
CuteOldGuy is offline   Quote
Old 03-14-2013, 10:55 PM   #110
IIFFOFRDB
Account Disabled
 
Join Date: Jun 19, 2011
Location: Dixie Land
Posts: 22,098
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CuteOldGuy View Post
I definitely was a different world back then, but the principle stands. Even at the beginning of the greatest country in the world, with the greatest governing document of all time, the Founders knew that one of the most important rights a person had was the right to protect himself from the overreaches of government. They knew that even the system they designed in the Constitution, with all its checks and balances, could be corrupted and turned against the people. It was important to them that the people would be able to strike back at a corrupt government.

Like Benjamin Franklin responded to a question posed upon completing the Constitutional Convention, "What kind of government have you given us?" Franklin replied, "A Republic, if you can keep it." Well, Ben. Sorry. We tried to keep it, but it slipped away while when we weren't looking.
We are taking it back...fucking fuckers
IIFFOFRDB is offline   Quote
Old 03-15-2013, 01:09 AM   #111
JD Barleycorn
Valued Poster
 
JD Barleycorn's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 12, 2011
Location: Olathe
Posts: 16,815
Encounters: 54
Default

Jefferson was a bit of a radical. In fact he was ususally referred to as a Jacobin.
JD Barleycorn is offline   Quote
Reply



AMPReviews.net
Find Ladies
Hot Women

Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright © 2009 - 2016, ECCIE Worldwide, All Rights Reserved