Dallas Police Officer goes home to the wrong apartment, kills man inside !!

[Agent220]

Originally Posted by wfguy71

I grew up with cops in my family. We have family and close friends that are cops, CIA, FBI, and Secret Service. I've probably done 50 ride alongs over the years.. My favorite tv show is Live PD.

Having said all that; I don't think the average cop is better or worse than the average doctor or plumber or fire fighter. In my personal life, I wouldn't trust a random cop any more (or less) than I would a veterinarian or financial planner, etc. They're just men and women like the rest of my neighbors.

They're not gods. They're more likely to have been in the military, and and probably have more of a sense of service than the average person. Sometimes they do heroic things, sometimes they screw up. There are certainly racist cops, just like there are racists plumbers, etc. And if it shows up in their job, they should be fired on the spot.

But I certainly don't buy the narrative that the police are a bunch of racists murderers. If they were, wouldn't more black people be shot by the police than white people? Most years, about twice as many white people are killed by police officers than blacks.

And I find it ironic that (generally) the same people driving the narrative that the police are racists and can't be trusted, are the same ones who want to take firearms from civilians and argue that only the police should have assault rifles, etc. Something there doesn't add up.

But unfortunately, there's a lot of political capital to be gained from division, identity politics and pushing the "police are out to get you" narrative.

So, I don't see it going away any time soon.

Let me answer this one:

Caucasian people were the most killed by the police. That would make sense because the population of America is comprised by white, a growing Latino population and so forth.

What people neglect to understand is that black people make up 12 to 13 percent of the USA's population. 24-26% of people killed by the police were black. So by per capita, blacks are being shot twice more than the population. Black neighborhoods are policed 7x harder even though neighborhoods produce the same levels and amounts of crime.

Just recently, I came out of my job late night and entered my car and sat in it while I checked my phone. A flashlight had shined in my face literally two minutes later as an officer informed me that my vehicle had been sitting in the parking lot for awhile and was reported. I calmly stated to this officer that I worked here and with my hands in my lap, rolled my shoulder slowly to even show my workshirt to prove my story. The officer apologized and called in to report everything was clear. I look back to see his vehicle cut me off, another vehicle down in the parking lot and 3rd squad car across the parking lot.

We can disagree on Kaepernick, Nike and discernable levels on police brutality. As a black man, I'm not only scared of the police but truly believe we are getting exterminated legally while unarmed.

To tie it altogether, a person was killed in their habitat by a member of law enforcement over a case of a "mistaken address" and yet, she doesn't have the decency to make amends by pleading guilty or apologize to the family and to top it off, the law enforcement agencies searched the victim's residence. My god people, each and everyone of us should be not only alarmed but also angry and outraged.

[Guest083119]

Originally Posted by Agent220

Let me answer this one:

Caucasian people were the most killed by the police. That would make sense because the population of America is comprised by white, a growing Latino population and so forth.

What people neglect to understand is that black people make up 12 to 13 percent of the USA's population. 24-26% of people killed by the police were black. So by per capita, blacks are being shot twice more than the population. Black neighborhoods are policed 7x harder even though neighborhoods produce the same levels and amounts of crime.

Just recently, I came out of my job late night and entered my car and sat in it while I checked my phone. A flashlight had shined in my face literally two minutes later as an officer informed me that my vehicle had been sitting in the parking lot for awhile and was reported. I calmly stated to this officer that I worked here and with my hands in my lap, rolled my shoulder slowly to even show my workshirt to prove my story. The officer apologized and called in to report everything was clear. I look back to see his vehicle cut me off, another vehicle down in the parking lot and 3rd squad car across the parking lot.

We can disagree on Kaepernick, Nike and discernable levels on police brutality. As a black man, I'm not only scared of the police but truly believe we are getting exterminated legally while unarmed.

To tie it altogether, a person was killed in their habitat by a member of law enforcement over a case of a "mistaken address" and yet, she doesn't have the decency to make amends by pleading guilty or apologize to the family and to top it off, the law enforcement agencies searched the victim's residence. My god people, each and everyone of us should be not only alarmed but also angry and outraged.

While I agree with much of what you said, the bolded statement above is what I take issue with. It was a crime scene, of course they had to get a search warrant and search it to recover evidence like bullets, casings, blood, etc. That is just standard operating procedure.

To release that they found marijuana and drug paraphernalia, now that’s a smear campaign. Though they will need to do toxicology on both individuals to see if drugs or alcohol affected their behavior. But let’s face it, I should be able to be drunk in my house and not get shot.

It’s sickening and yes, outrageous.

[cinderbella]

Still won't stop me from doing what I do anytime I see a cop out in public wearing a uniform ( any emergency personnel wearing a uniform).

I ALWAYS look them straight in the eye and say, "Thank you for your service". Most cops won't make the horrible mistake/choice whatever that this very young female cop unfortunately did. Even thought I hate what she did and I feel extremely sorry for the innocent victim and his family, I can't imagine what a horrible impact it will have on the cop for the rest of her life. She is a very young woman and she is never going to be the same person again. Prior to all of this, it sounds like she was very dedicated and willing to go out and do some very tough policing. I think that messes with your head and exposes you to some very dark things that make it tough to trust anyone.

[wfguy71]

Originally Posted by Agent220

Let me answer this one:

Caucasian people were the most killed by the police. That would make sense because the population of America is comprised by white, a growing Latino population and so forth.

What people neglect to understand is that black people make up 12 to 13 percent of the USA's population. 24-26% of people killed by the police were black. So by per capita, blacks are being shot twice more than the population. Black neighborhoods are policed 7x harder even though neighborhoods produce the same levels and amounts of crime.

It would make sense that more white people would be shot by the police, and there are. I don't think anyone neglects to understand it, I doubt that most people are even aware of it. I'd guess that the average person believes that more black men are shot by the police than white men.

I've been told that police are racists and, to watch the evening news, that they kill black people right and left. But again, that's not the case. We just said the police shoot more white people.

But yes, black people are more likely than other groups to be shot by the police. You're familiar with the phrase "correlation doesn't imply causation"? Black people being more likely to be shot by the police doesn't in any way imply that it's due to systemic racism on the part of police.

Because there are other demographics that are more likely (and less likely) to be shot by the police, and no one would suggest the reason is bigotry. In fact, the only group I've ever heard it attributed to is black men.

[Guest083119]

While correlation does not always imply causation, this situation is a little different. Police who have shot unarmed black males have repeatedly stated they did so because they perceived the individual to be a threat.

The truth is that cops are more likely to perceive black males as a threat than other people. That leads to the disproportionate number of black males being shot by police. It is usually an unconscious racial bias that is nearly impossible to overcome without a complete overhaul in training.

[8701]

Racism is as American as apple pie....I don’t know why people don’t understand/deny this well known fact. smh

[Guest083119]

Unfortunately, very true, 8701.

[wfguy71]

Originally Posted by B Three

The truth is that cops are more likely to perceive black males as a threat than other people. That leads to the disproportionate number of black males being shot by police. It is usually an unconscious racial bias that is nearly impossible to overcome without a complete overhaul in training.

It's just such a complex issue, and I hate that people want to boil it down to simply "racist cops"

Black men are about twice as likely, statistically, to be killed by police than white. They're also about twice as likely, statistically, to kill a police officer. They're more likely to live in high crime areas, more likely to be a murder victim.

About 93% of people killed by law enforcement are men. But would anyone argue that the police are unfairly targeting men because of their gender? Or that tthe police should be trained to perceive men as less of a threat?

[wfguy71]

Originally Posted by 8701

Racism is as American as apple pie....I don’t know why people don’t understand/deny this well known fact. smh

I don't think anyone is saying there's no racism in America

[Guest083119]

Here is my issue. When I was learning to drive, my parents told me what to do if stopped by the police. To be polite, and to have my license, insurance and registration ready. This meant reaching over and getting these items out of the glove compartment. That action in itself, when performed by a black male, has literally lead to his death. Does that seem okay and reasonable?

It’s okay to use statistics to judge probable threat level, it’s NOT okay to then throw aside your training and shoot unarmed people because of it. Retreating and taking cover are viable options, as is waiting for backup. Shoot first, ask questions later is not the proper course of action unless there is a clear and identifiable threat, not merely a perceived one. If she said she saw a shiny item in his hand, even if it turned out to be a remote or phone, my thoughts might be different.

Honestly, even walking in on a burglary has a low chance of resulting in a burglar just shooting and killing you. As a cop, she would know that. Any cop or 911 operator would tell you to get out and not engage. Now in this case, I don’t know if you knew Jean was black or not. If it was so dark inside and she was coming from a lit hallway, he may have been a shadowy figure. But, still she had better options than just shooting him.

[Guest083119]

That double post gateway timeout error is happening again.

[Chung Tran]

I don't want this thread to go off course, but it makes sense to ask here.

regarding the White Cop who was killed the other day, during a stop of 3 Robbery suspects at a Bar in Fort Worth. the police were tracking, watching these Robbers, whom they suspected in a series of recent bar robberies.. they allowed the Robbers to go in and rob the bar patrons, and only pursued them AFTER the robbery.


why not stop them before they robbed again? you watched them go in.. what if they had killed someone inside? could they have not handled it differently? it didn't go too well, obviously, when one of their own was killed.


perhaps they didn't have enough evidence to make an arrest, until they visibly saw them rob a bar with their own eyes?

[rexdutchman]

This horrible incident IS NOT RACIST OR POLITICAL like the social justice activist are just pushing Outrage for their agenda. Really could have been anyone. ( Even Orourke is get into the picture now just outrageous ).
Its about a bad cop bad training, supervision hiring, working to long etc , the city of Dallas should be held liable.
Justice will occur may take some time ( you can have it fast and she wins at trial , or good , can't have it both ways , just my opinion....

[wfguy71]

Originally Posted by B Three

Here is my issue. When I was learning to drive, my parents told me what to do if stopped by the police. To be polite, and to have my license, insurance and registration ready. This meant reaching over and getting these items out of the glove compartment. That action in itself, when performed by a black male, has literally lead to his death. Does that seem okay and reasonable?

Of course it's not reasonable. It's horrible. And police officers go to work and get murdered. But if you believe the police are bullying black people, who are living in fear, watch an episode of Live PD or go spend a shift with a Houston officer. It's not reality.

And again, if black people were being murdered right and left by the police, why do the police shoot more white people? The Klan killed people based on race, but do you think out of sheer numbers, the Klan killed more whites?

I feel I feel like we've almost been brainwashed by the media on some topics. Last week, I was talking about gun violence with someone, and they told me that the murder rate was probably the highest it had ever been to the United States. I explained that the murder rate in the United States is about half of what it was 50 years ago. They literally didn't believe me until I pulled up the CDC website and showed them.

If you watch the news every night, you'd think a thousand people a day are being killed with Ar15s, and the police are out hunting unarmed black men in droves. But none of it is true.

[Guest083119]

Rex, I agree. It’s mostly coincidental that she’s white and he was black. I don’t think she’d have acted differently if it was a white guy in the apartment. I do think she would have acted differently if it was a woman.